BREAKING NEWS: ronpaul.com Domain Name Battle update

[torchbearer]

Because Ron Paul is no longer a candidate, he is a business.

Ron Paul is a business?
I thought he was a human being who has spent his entire life being laughed at and spat on just speaking the truth?
That doesn't sound like a very good business to me. Sounds like someone who is a true believer.

 

[PatriotOne]

But again it wasn't that 800 number it was 250, and instead of responding they went right to the UDRP filing.

Maybe some people don't like to encourage cybersquatters to hold them for ransom by paying them off.

 

[torchbearer]

No one, on the forum- with means, would have spent 250,000k on a web domain.
The evidence is in the pudding.
No one is ponying up. Apparently, no one sees that price as a steal.

 

[PatriotOne]

want to buy my 4-wheeler? ok, 800,000.
Oh, why aren't you making a counter offer?
I guess you aren't interest in making an honest deal.

Nailed it.

 

[newbitech]

The complaint shows he gave speeches and wrote books as early as the 1980s at least. Further the site IMMEDIATELY used HIS persona, so obviously they heard of him

he did not file a trademark. In fact the mark "Ron Paul" was on the primary register, just not controlled by Dr. Ron Paul. Someone feel free to prove me wrong, but secondary meaning common law trademark claims are preceded by the primary register. In other words, you can't claim a trademark common law or otherwise on a mark that is already on the primary register.

 

[angelatc]

Somehow I have a really funny feeling that the whole tone of this discussion would be different if it was all about marcorubio.com

Absolutely. We'd be snidely asserting that Rubio was using his UN / Illiminati cronies to take property that was being used as a free speech medium on the internet.

 

[angelatc]

Ron Paul is a business?
I thought he was a human being who has spent his entire life being laughed at and spat on just speaking the truth?
That doesn't sound like a very good business to me. Sounds like someone who is a true believer.

Some animals are more equal than others. I guess this is why.

 

[angelatc]

No one, on the forum- with means, would have spent 250,000k on a web domain.
The evidence is in the pudding.
No one is ponying up. Apparently, no one sees that price as a steal.

So let's sue them, since we think the price is too high. BY all means, let's not use capitalism and cash to settle our disputes. That's sooooo libertarian!

 

[torchbearer]

Some animals are more equal than others. I guess this is why.

I already had such an opinion years before this month
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I remember back, years ago- someone did this to kelsey grammer.
I thought those people were douches back then too.​

I remember seeing kelsey on the tonight show, he said some people bought up his name and wanted $50,000 dollars for it. (50,000 back then is probably close to 250,000 now)

 

[torchbearer]

So let's sue them, since we think the price is too high. BY all means, let's not use capitalism and cash to settle our disputes. That's sooooo libertarian!

you do realize there is a system in place for disputes for domain names. set up for this exact purpose?
It would have been stupid to bring this to a court without using the system in place.
I wouldn't be surprised if a court case would be dismissed because all previous avenues of resolution haven't been met.
Such judgments were made during the saint's players law suits.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Ron Paul is a business?
I thought he was a human being who has spent his entire life being laughed at and spat on just speaking the truth?
That doesn't sound like a very good business to me. Sounds like someone who is a true believer.

Sure he is a business now. He is charging for speaking appearances, I assume he's getting some revenue from the radio spots, there may be some revenue means from the podcasts, books, etc. I never saw anywhere that Ron Paul is now a non profit. Not a thing wrong with making money from what he does, but don't act like he's a pauper.

 

[torchbearer]

Sure he is a business now. He is charging for speaking appearances, I assume he's getting some revenue from the radio spots, there may be some revenue means from the podcasts, books, etc. I never saw anywhere that Ron Paul is now a non profit. Not a thing wrong with making money from what he does, but don't act like he's a pauper.

never said he is a pauper. he is a human.
Just saying you aren't willing to put out the money. its not a good deal. you know it. your wallets speaks for you.

 

[torchbearer]

what is great about all of this is we will get the info, and people will be served their crow pie.

 

[PatriotOne]

you do realize there is a system in place for disputes for domain names. set up for this exact purpose?
It would have been stupid to bring this to a court without using the system in place.
I wouldn't be surprised if a court case would be dismissed because all previous avenues of resolution haven't been met.
Such judgments were made during the saint's players law suits.

Ron Paul is a business?
I thought he was a human being who has spent his entire life being laughed at and spat on just speaking the truth?
That doesn't sound like a very good business to me. Sounds like someone who is a true believer.

Dayum. Nailed those also.

Wish I could rep ya again.

 

[qh4dotcom]

The complaint shows he gave speeches and wrote books as early as the 1980s at least. Further the site IMMEDIATELY used HIS persona, so obviously they heard of him

Nope, you are wrong...the first thing the ronpaul.com owners did when acquiring the domain was to redirect all their visitors to the official RonPaul2008.com campaign site...the redirection went on for 3 months...and obviously they didn't make a penny during those 3 months when they were nice enough to send the official RonPaul2008.com campaign site all their visitors

Web archives show that the other Ron Paul owned RonPaul.com on Jan. 2008...and if you click on the arrow button at the top of the link below you'll see that on Feb 2008 anyone going to ronpaul.com got redirected to the official ronpaul2008.com campaign site...for 3 months the official site got all of ronpaul.com visitors until they launched in May 2008.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080110150047/http://www.ronpaul.com/

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

never said he is a pauper. he is a human.
Just saying you aren't willing to put out the money. its not a good deal. you know it. your wallets speaks for you.

It might be a good deal for someone like myself depending on the terms of the deal. Now I wouldn't buy the domain and give it to him, that would be charity, and I am not giving 250K charitable donation to a for profit entity. Only a fool would do that. But say I was able to get a royalty from every speech, podcast subscription, future book sale, merchandise sale, etc I would consider it dependent on their business model and their plan for growth. It's just money, but I am not in the habit of just pissing it away. In business, when I spend money, I want to make money.

 

[torchbearer]

It might be a good deal for someone like myself depending on the terms of the deal. Now I wouldn't buy the domain and give it to him, that would be charity, and I am not giving 250K charitable donation to a for profit entity. Only a fool would do that. But say I was able to get a royalty from every speech, podcast subscription, future book sale, merchandise sale, etc I would consider it dependent on their business model and their plan for growth. It's just money, but I am not in the habit of just pissing it away. When I spend money, I want to make money.

if you bought from those people just to turn around and make a profit off of it- then you'd be breaking the terms of domain name leasing.
if you aquired it just to protect the sites from predators- and hold it safe for ron's use- then you'd be like the people newbitech describes as the ex-pat who bought ronpaul.com just to look after ron's interest....
what do you buy the average domain for- and who ultimately leases it to you? for what purposes? are there terms to this lease? how did such a system evolve?
godaddy.com buy your 10 dollar site, then ask for $250,000 because of what that other person did in their lifetime.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

if you bought from those people just to turn around and make a profit off of it- then you'd be breaking the terms of domain name leasing.
if you aquired it just to protect the sites from predators- and hold it safe for ron's use- then you'd be like the people newbitech describes as the ex-pat who bought ronpaul.com just to look after ron's interest....
what do you buy the average domain for- and who ultimately leases it to you? for what purposes? are there terms to this lease? how did such a system evolve?
godaddy.com buy your 10 dollar site, then ask for $250,000 because of what that other person did in their lifetime.

Not sure what you are getting at other than rehashing the same arguments about the owners of ronpaul.com.

You asked my why I would or wouldn't put out the money for the site. I assumed you were referencing giving it to Ron Paul, since in post 435 you asked me "You could have bought this site for Ron, why didn't you?". I answered here in this most recent post under what terms I would buy the site. I'd pay the 250K (or more likely negotiate it down to around 100K), but in exchange for that I want a substantial piece of the Ron Paul pie and every dime that comes in through it. As I said, Ron Paul is now a business. He is a for profit entity that earns revenue through speeches, podcast, radio broadcasts and possibly other avenues. Anyone investing in that (which is what buying the domain for him would be) would want a piece of the action.

You know Courtside is getting a piece of the action right and so is Greater Talent, or do you think they are doing this out of the goodness of their heart?

 

[torchbearer]

Not sure what you are getting at other than rehashing the same arguments about the owners of ronpaul.com.

You asked my why I would or wouldn't put out the money for the site. I assumed you were referencing giving it to Ron Paul, since in post 435 you asked me "You could have bought this site for Ron, why didn't you?". I answered here in this most recent post under what terms I would buy the site. I'd pay the 250K (or more likely negotiate it down to around 100K), but in exchange for that I want a substantial piece of the Ron Paul pie and every dime that comes in through it. As I said, Ron Paul is now a business. He is a for profit entity that earns revenue through speeches, podcast, radio broadcasts and possibly other avenues. Anyone investing in that (which is what buying the domain for him would be) would want a piece of the action.

you'd want to claim part of everything ron does because you spent too much for a redirect?

 

[torchbearer]

What Capt has described is what Jesus calls, "reaping in a field you did not sow"
in the old testament, such actions were put on the same level as rapist.