BREAKING - El Paso TX - Mass Shooting at Wal Mart

[r3volution 3.0]

You are behind the times, "Islam is the religion of peace and anyone who objects to millions of them taking over western countries is evil" is the party line and it is enforced by law.

That's the GOP party line?

The President's?

John Bolton's?

Presidential Besty Netanyahu's?

Trump has done nothing to encourage racism, his nationalism is definitely non-racial.

I give exactly zero (0) shits whether Trump himself is a racist; I've said before that I expect he isn't. The point here is how his behavior is perceived by the public. The WN or WN-esque people who hear Trump's comments aren't making subtle distinctions between race and culture, for instance, as you're wont to do. I simply don't believe that you can't appreciate how comments along the lines of "Mexicans are rapists" would inflame anti-Maxican racism, for example. You can't possibly be that stupid.

Nope, I have never said we should make anything about race, cultural nationalism is required to prevent racial nationalism.

Despite the distinctions you like to draw, they are practically the same thing.

Cage Mexicans because they're racially inferior, cage Mexicans because they're culturally inferior...

....especially when you define culture in such a way that it's basically unchangeable (like race).

The NZ guy expressed support for communism and many other leftist causes and this guy is claimed to have expressed support for him.

Did he or did he not express support for white nationalism?

They are leftists by any estimation.

...as if that means they can't be nationalists, lol.

Nationalism is of the left, both in the sense that its core policies (e.g. restricting immigration) violate individual rights, and in the sense that nationalists don't usually limit themselves to just those violations of individual rights; they frequently support the welfare state, for instance. As you may or may not recall, the historical example par excellence of nationalism was a party with the word socialist in its name. The nationalist movement today in the US and Europe is decidedly anti-capitalist. You might be a libertarian-but-for-teh-wall, but most of your fellow nationalists are more like Democrats-but-for-foreigners-r-bad.

Exactly, and I count Buttgieg as one also. Statements like his border on slander.

https://defamation.laws.com/defamation-laws/libel-vs-slander

True statements can't be slander.

When asked if he believes Trump is a white nationalist, Buttigieg said the president “at best condones and encourages white nationalism.

“It’s flourished under his watch,” he said. “This isn’t an accident.”

The first two statemenrs are true (you just agreed that they're true, no?).

The third one I take to mean that Trump's inflaming of WN actually inflamed this particular guy who did the shooting.

That may or may not be true, but it's a reasonable guess.

I don't see buttplug saying "Trump is guilty of murder."

 

[Pauls' Revere]

True statements can't be slander.



The first two statemenrs are true (you just agreed that they're true, no?).

The third one I take to mean that Trump's inflaming of WN actually inflamed this particular guy who did the shooting.

That may or may not be true, but it's a reasonable guess.

I don't see buttplug saying "Trump is guilty of murder."

No, but he implies that he is somehow supportive of individuals like this. Not making excuses for him, he can be vulgar and "send them back" doesn't improve his imagine. But, its a reach to say he "condones" this kind of shit.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

No, but he implies that he is somehow supportive of individuals like this. Not making excuses for him, he can be vulgar and "send them back" doesn't improve his imagine. But, its a reach to say he "condones" this kind of shit.

Well, I don't want to spend too much time defending this jackass, but he didn't say Trump condoned the attack, just white nationalism in general.

Regardless, Dems will surely be exploiting this unfairly for political gain, as they do with everything, as the GOP does with everything.

In other news, today is a day.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Well, I don't want to spend too much time defending this jackass, but he didn't say Trump condoned the attack, just white nationalism in general.

Regardless, Dems will surely be exploiting this unfairly for political gain, as they do with everything, as the GOP does with everything.

In other news, today is a day.

 

[Swordsmyth]

That's the GOP party line?

The President's?

John Bolton's?

Presidential Besty Netanyahu's?

It's the EU party line and the attack by a muslim in question took place in the EU.
It is also the US bipartisan deepstate party line.

I give exactly zero (0) $#@!s whether Trump himself is a racist; I've said before that I expect he isn't. The point here is how his behavior is perceived by the public. The WN or WN-esque people who hear Trump's comments aren't making subtle distinctions between race and culture, for instance, as you're wont to do. I simply don't believe that you can't appreciate how comments along the lines of "Mexicans are rapists" would inflame anti-Maxican racism, for example. You can't possibly be that stupid.

I'm not as stupid as you seem to think.
That's not what he said and he has if anything pandered too much towards "people of color".
You can't claim that all nationalism is a gateway drug to racism, that's just stupid.

Despite the distinctions you like to draw, they are practically the same thing.

Cage Mexicans because they're racially inferior, cage Mexicans because they're culturally inferior...

....especially when you define culture in such a way that it's basically unchangeable (like race).

None of that is true, you are the one who wants to march into other countries and cage people or kill them if they are culturally inferior.
The only reason to temporarily cage anyone is if they violate our laws and illegally invade, other than that we can just not let very many in so that those that we do allow in will assimilate because culture is malleable.

Did he or did he not express support for white nationalism?

That's irrelevant, I said he was a leftist not a conservative, it is quite possible to be a leftist and a white nationalist.

...as if that means they can't be nationalists, lol.

I never said that, I said he wasn't a conservative.

Nationalism is of the left,

That's nonsense, globalism is of the left.

both in the sense that its core policies (e.g. restricting immigration) violate individual rights,

That is not a violation of anyone's individual rights.

and in the sense that nationalists don't usually limit themselves to just those violations of individual rights; they frequently support the welfare state, for instance. As you may or may not recall, the historical example par excellence of nationalism was a party with the word socialist in its name. The nationalist movement today in the US and Europe is decidedly anti-capitalist. You might be a libertarian-but-for-teh-wall, but most of your fellow nationalists are more like Democrats-but-for-foreigners-r-bad.

That's nonsense, globalists support welfare and all the other abominations of modern leftism and there are very many historical examples of conservative nationalism and very many conservative nationalists.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Well, I don't want to spend too much time defending this jackass, but he didn't say Trump condoned the attack, just white nationalism in general.

And that's a lie.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

It's the EU party line and the attack by a muslim in question took place in the EU.
It is also the US bipartisan deepstate party line.

But I have it on the best authority that the deepstate is plotting to promote white nationalism:

I believe there is a plot to create white nationalism by force feeding the west millions of barbarians

Wouldn't staging Muslim attacks on whites be a great way of doing that?

 

[UWDude]

Huh, the reaction to this is also different from the reaction to the refugee who killed two people in Europe.

Did anyone suggest that was a false flag? Anyone at all?

Weird.

I know I can count on the Count to deny 9/11 was phony.

Yes, I remember the days when thinking 9/11 was an inside job was the minority opinion. Now it is the majority opinion. But there are still the bitter clingers, like [MENTION=58229]TheCount[/MENTION] here. (who happens to be a believer in the Russian Collusion conspiracy though).

 

[UWDude]

But I have it on the best authority that the deepstate is plotting to promote white nationalism:

They are promoting it, for sure, by allowing and promoting anti-white messaging in the media and in the colleges. This is causing white people, especially young white males, to reflexively become defensive, and is part of a divide and conquer campaign.

 

[Swordsmyth]

But I have it on the best authority that the deepstate is plotting to promote white nationalism:



Wouldn't staging Muslim attacks on whites be a great way of doing that?

I said there was a faction with that goal but they are the minority at this point.

I also asked if there was any indication that the attack was a false flag but I haven't heard a single one.

 

[UWDude]

White conservative shooter: False flag. Could not possibly have been "one of us". Foreigner or liberal? "All foreigners and liberals are killers. They want violence! "

9/11 was done by foreigners, is called a false flag.

Boston Marathon bombers were also foreigners, and was likely a false flag.

oh, and 98% of mass shooters were on SSRI's or Amphetamines, and indeed, the kid school mass shooter phase started to take off along with the drug the kids into submission and happiness phase. Dylan and Eric were on SSRIs.

 

[Swordsmyth]

9/11 was done by foreigners, is called a false flag.

Boston Marathon bombers were also foreigners, and was likely a false flag.

And the USS Liberty was done by foreigners who failed in an attempt to frame other foreigners so it is a failed false flag.

I'm sure we could make a very long list.

 

[phill4paul]

First, of course the Dems are going to exploit this; doesn't mean it's a false flag.

Two, what buttplug said is true: Trump has fanned the flames of white nationalism.

...that's what happens when you as POTUS spend four years blaming foreigners for everything under the sun.

That should be about as controversial as saying the Dems fan the flames of anti-white racism.

By not not overly fawning over minority's. Oh, my. Raciss.

 

[UWDude]

Trump's behavior since summer 2015 has encouraged white nationalists,

Nope. Just nationalism. He would not have pardoned Alice Johnson and Jack Johnson or had Kanye over to the white house if he was white nationalist. Same with his recent A$AP tweets. You are full of shit, bitch.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

By not not overly fawning over minority's.

No, by demonizing foreigners: "rapists," "invaders," etc.

It's odd how the people who themselves started talking/thinking like that following Trump's arrival can't see the connection.

Oh, my. Raciss.

See, I don't care about racism in itself, only about how it affects the state's policies. Someone wants to follow you around screaming n----r? No concern of mine. Someone wants to deport you to Africa? Then I'll object. This is something that you all consistently fail to understand. The only people who care as much about race as you do are the SJWs. Libertarians such as myself aren't participating in your culture war.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Libertarians such as myself aren't participating in your culture war.

You'd better.

Because the culture that has been chosen to replace us has nothing at all to do with liberty.

 

[Swordsmyth]

You'd better.

Because the culture that has been chosen to replace us has nothing at all to do with liberty.

He isn't really a libertarian.

 

[Swordsmyth]

No, by demonizing foreigners: "rapists," "invaders," etc.

It's odd how the people who themselves started talking/thinking like that following Trump's arrival can't see the connection.

Truth is a force of nature, the Truth is that Trump never said those as absolutes and that the illegals are disproportionately rapists etc. and they are all invaders.
That's not racist, it's fact.

See, I don't care about racism in itself, only about how it affects the state's policies. Someone wants to follow you around screaming n----r? No concern of mine. Someone wants to deport you to Africa? Then I'll object. This is something that you all consistently fail to understand. The only people who care as much about race as you do are the SJWs. Libertarians such as myself aren't participating in your culture war.

It's not about race and if you really cared about liberty you would care about culture, liberty is a cultural value.

 

[phill4paul]

No, by demonizing foreigners: "rapists," "invaders," etc.

It's odd how the people who themselves started talking/thinking like that following Trump's arrival can't see the connection.



See, I don't care about racism in itself, only about how it affects the state's policies. Someone wants to follow you around screaming n----r? No concern of mine. Someone wants to deport you to Africa? Then I'll object. This is something that you all consistently fail to understand. The only people who care as much about race as you do are the SJWs. Libertarians such as myself aren't participating in your culture war.

Your libertarian utopia cannot exist. But, fantasize all you want. And post all the bullshit you care to. Nobody is listening and agreeing with you except your sock puppets

 

[Swordsmyth]