Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members

[juleswin]

What is gender anyways? I thought you were either one sex or the other, except in very rare circumstances?

Does anyone have any statistics that point out how rare this medical condition actually occurs vs how many people just simply opt to change their "gender?"

The saying goes, gender is between your ears and sex is between your legs.

The truth is that with all the chemicals the average pregnant woman comes in contact with, its not all that surprising to find many kids growing up today with hormonal dysfunctions. Imagine, a fetus who has the male organ but while in vitro, his brain came in contact with more estrogen than a normal boy is supposed to encounter. That boy most likely grows up a male with the psychology of a female aka transgender.

 

[CaptUSA]

You do know The Boy's scout is a private organization and you are not obligated to join them? this is not freedom of association going the way of the dodos, if anything, this is the opposite of it.

I see that Presence already corrected you so I won't belabor the point. Their entanglements with government institutions are fairly immense. (His link didn't even get into the link with government skools)

But your larger point stands. In order to maintain a certain "PR" image in today's society, you have to appear extremely inclusive. But the reason a large organization like this even needs to maintain that image is because of the favors they receive from government. Otherwise, their club would be their club and would remain exclusive until their membership dropped. Do you really think the purpose of this action was to maintain membership levels or was it to maintain the image?

 

[CaptUSA]

I looked at the link and I am not very impressed with the so called govt funding of the Boy's scout



Its no different from the relationship the govt have with say the NFL or NCAA, where they provide some fund to help with advertisement to the people most likely to be good army men.

Yeah, I'm not sure where you picked up "govt funding of the Boy Scouts" (your own strawman, perhaps?) - we were talking about the public/private entanglements. And yes, the NCAA and NFL have the same problem.

 

[juleswin]

I see that Presence already corrected you so I won't belabor the point. Their entanglements with government institutions are fairly immense. (His link didn't even get into the link with government skools)

But your larger point stands. In order to maintain a certain "PR" image in today's society, you have to appear extremely inclusive. But the reason a large organization like this even needs to maintain that image is because of the favors they receive from government. Otherwise, their club would be their club and would remain exclusive until their membership dropped. Do you really think the purpose of this action was to maintain membership levels or was it to maintain the image?

Presence did not correct me, my point is that The boy's scout of America is a private organization and he posted a link showing that they did business with the govt which loads of private organizations engage in. You are still free to join or leave the myriads of private orgs that do business with the govt or even better create your own and decide to do business with the govt.

I think what you fail to realize is that this is not just govt but society changing. More and more people have transgender people in their communities and with that comes wider acceptance by society. Also, its not just govt business, I don't have the numbers but I bet you $100 that their corporate sponsors give them more money than what they get doing business with the govt.

 

[shakey1]

part of the problem tho is the whole issue being politicized to the point of distraction from the more paramount issues of the day.

 

[sparebulb]

I'm pretty sure the Boy Scouts have already allowed girls for a long time.

 

[69360]

It's not transgender. It's little kids playing dress up. Stupid SJW. If their kid wants to be an elephant will they sue the circus for not letting them join?

 

[Carlybee]

It's not transgender. It's little kids playing dress up. Stupid SJW. If their kid wants to be an elephant will they sue the circus for not letting them join?

Circus closed shop

 

[Anti Federalist]

This is not the inevitable outcome of entangling public and private organizations, this is happening because times are changing. The truth is that more and more people are getting more comfortable with the idea of transgender people and they changed their policy most likely because of bad PR.

No, people are not "getting more comfortable with it".

They are being forcefully propagandized to accept it, by a powerful media/cultural machine that sets the zeitgeist any way it chooses.

For those who do not comply, government and civil and financial sanctions are in place to keep them in line.

 

[phill4paul]

No, people are not "getting more comfortable with it".

They are being forcefully propagandized to accept it, by a powerful media/cultural machine that sets the zeitgeist any way it chooses.

For those who do not comply, government and civil and financial sanctions are in place to keep them in line.

Yup.

 

[Anti Federalist]

It's not transgender. It's little kids playing dress up. Stupid SJW. If their kid wants to be an elephant will they sue the circus for not letting them join?

It's fucking child abuse is what it is, especially if they pump them up full of chemicals at a pre pubescent age.

http://www.voicesinbioethics.net/ne...rations-for-prepubescent-transgender-children

 

[juleswin]

No, people are not "getting more comfortable with it".

They are being forcefully propagandized to accept it, by a powerful media/cultural machine that sets the zeitgeist any way it chooses.

For those who do not comply, government and civil and financial sanctions are in place to keep them in line.

I think its a little bit of the 2 forces coming together to change the perception on trans people. We have the govt institutions and a lot of people in the private sector who understand that there is something other than a kid just trying to play dress up.

The tides of change is coming and you either get on your surf or get swept away.

 

[phill4paul]

The tides of change is coming and you either get on your surf or get swept away.

Meh, I'm fine up here in the mountains.

 

[Anti Federalist]

The tides of change is coming and you either get on your surf or get swept away.

Ummm, no.

Like Phill said, I'm fine up in the mountains.

I'll stand firm and high above the mudslides, avalanches and sewer spills of popular opinion.

 

[juleswin]

Ummm, no.

Like Phill said, I'm fine up in the mountains.

I'll stand firm and high above the mudslides, avalanches and sewer spills of popular opinion.

The funny part is that your reaction is very predictable. The older generation is usually the group to put up the biggest resistant to any change and the younger generation is usually the more accepting group. We are all playing our part in this intergenerational battle between stasis and change. I hate to tell you this, but change has a .900 batting average

 

[69360]

It's $#@!ing child abuse is what it is, especially if they pump them up full of chemicals at a pre pubescent age.

http://www.voicesinbioethics.net/ne...rations-for-prepubescent-transgender-children

Yeah, these are little kids. They could grow up to be totally normal. It could just be a phase.

I'm not saying you discourage it, but you don't actively encourage it or take them to doctors and drug them.

Adults, you want to wear a dress and cut your willy off, hey whatever not my business. Kids who are too young to think for themselves or know better, yeah I am going to say something when their SJW parent do this to them.

 

[phill4paul]

The funny part is that your reaction is very predictable. The older generation is usually the group to put up the biggest resistant to any change and the younger generation is usually the more accepting group. We are all playing our part in this intergenerational battle between stasis and change. I hate to tell you this, but change has a .900 batting average

I don't resist change. I encourage it. Hell, been actively preaching it in America since Reagan. The younger generation is more accepting because that is what is required of them by the creators of their environment. Us old farts are just not as gullible. My best advise to any kid is question everything. Find your ground. Stand on it.

 

[Origanalist]

No, people are not "getting more comfortable with it".

They are being forcefully propagandized to accept it, by a powerful media/cultural machine that sets the zeitgeist any way it chooses.

For those who do not comply, government and civil and financial sanctions are in place to keep them in line.

Bingo. And if you're not 'comfortable' with it you're a raging bigot. Fuck that shit.

 

[Dr.3D]

Sounds dangerous, I remember how we used to put out the campfire when I was a kid. Somebody would get their butt steamed.

 

[phill4paul]

Bingo. And if you're not 'comfortable' with it you're a raging bigot. Fuck that shit.

Yeah. It's understood to me now that the vitriol hurled is not because of my age and skin tone. When I espouse that "sovereignty" equals "equality" I'm told that, for the time being, the government needs to give special privilege. Reparations. And I'm am the bigot.