Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members

Petition away--no problem with that. But am I going to fight to join the "He-man women haters club" or start a club of my own?

(The latter.)

I suppose these gay Scouts and their parents know better what's good for them than I do. If they don't feel welcome in the BSA, they won't join. Some of them obviously prefer to be a member of BSA, than to start their own organization.

And that makes much sense to me. If I were gay and interested in scouting (neither of which is true), I would want to do that with my local friends, regardless their sexual orientation. I wouldn't see the point in joining an all-gay scouting organization - which probably wouldn't even come to exist since a) there aren't too many openly gays in one area anyway, let alone those who are interested in scouting and b) that would have a sexual undertone, when it's really just about scouting.

I also don't believe the BSA was pressured by PC. I believe it's more likely that many boys entered the BSA when they hadn't any sexual preference at all and later realized that they were gay (or "developed into it" for those who think that's more likely, whatever). All of the sudden they would have to be thrown out of the BSA for no real reason and most likely their friends, their friends' parents and their scouting leaders weren't really happy about that, since they liked these kids too. And since being gay is less of a stigma today than it was decades ago, the organization changed its rules to stop this. Good move, imho.

But whether or not anyone of us believes it was a good or a bad decision, they most certainly had the right to decide that way.
 
See, here's the thing--the BSA was pushed into this by political correctness--would you trust them to be responsible for your gay child? I sure as hell wouldn't.

That was one of my points. My other point is that gays always have the option to start their own organizations--why do they need to be in Christian organizations that look down on homosexuality? How does that make sense?

First of all, parents are usually heavily involved in scouting programs.

Second, these are KIDS- many are just beginning that confusing transition into puberty. And most of them are not going to be engaged in any kind of sexual stuff.

Third, I know many gays who are Christians.

Fourth, AGAIN- it is nice to just belong to a learning organization w/o being categorized.
 
I suppose these gay Scouts and their parents know better what's good for them than I do. If they don't feel welcome in the BSA, they won't join. Some of them obviously prefer to be a member of BSA, than to start their own organization.

And that makes much sense to me. If I were gay and interested in scouting (neither of which is true), I would want to do that with my local friends, regardless their sexual orientation. I wouldn't see the point in joining an all-gay scouting organization - which probably wouldn't even come to exist since a) there aren't too many openly gays in one area anyway, let alone those who are interested in scouting and b) that would have a sexual undertone, when it's really just about scouting.

I also don't believe the BSA was pressured by PC. I believe it's more likely that many boys entered the BSA when they hadn't any sexual preference at all and later realized that they were gay (or "developed into it" for those who think that's more likely, whatever). All of the sudden they would have to be thrown out of the BSA for no real reason and most likely their friends, their friends' parents and their scouting leaders weren't really happy about that, since they liked these kids too. And since being gay is less of a stigma today than it was decades ago, the organization changed its rules to stop this. Good move, imho.

But whether or not anyone of us believes it was a good or a bad decision, they most certainly had the right to decide that way.

Great comment- I agree wholeheartedly.
 
Then go ahead and have some gay children and let scout leaders who you know have been traditionally homophobic be responsible for them.

Just seems like a dumb thing to do. And you do not know if they'll be involved in anything sexual or violent, for that matter. I'm not going to try to change a zebra's stripes, as the saying may or may not go. I also don't nag, I don't coerce and I don't try to force other people to believe what I do--even if I find their beliefs unappealing.
 
Then go ahead and have some gay children and let scout leaders who you know have been traditionally homophobic be responsible for them.

Just seems like a dumb thing to do. And you do not know if they'll be involved in anything sexual or violent, for that matter. I'm not going to try to change a zebra's stripes, as the saying may or may not go. I also don't nag, I don't coerce and I don't try to force other people to believe what I do--even if I find their beliefs unappealing.

There have always been gay kids in scouting- now it is just recognized.

And for violence-any boy can come from a history of violence- that is usually not a gay trait.

As far as sexuality goes, I believe it is best to make sure that the leaders are top-notch, as sexual deviants have certainly been found among the leadership. Great leaders can be an inspiration to all the boys.
 
Is this thread still going on? I stopped reading after the first couple of posts and ignored it.

Sorry if this has already been covered, but this could be the beginning of the end of BSA. I'd read an article indicating that fully 60% of scout troupes were sponsored by churches that had a problem with gays and would drop the troupe if it passed. Haven't seen any follow up to that.

GSA is widely rumored to be infested with feminist/lesbian scoutmasters. Never see any press on that.

I've always thought the 2 organizations should go co-ed, at least at the eagle scout level.

-t
 
There have always been gay kids in scouting- now it is just recognized.

And for violence-any boy can come from a history of violence- that is usually not a gay trait.

As far as sexuality goes, I believe it is best to make sure that the leaders are top-notch, as sexual deviants have certainly been found among the leadership. Great leaders can be an inspiration to all the boys.

I'm talking about violence against them because they've been left in the care of someone who's biased and might look the other way. If I had a child and realized he was gay, I'd get him out of the scouts unless I absolutely trusted the scout leader to not be homophobic. You might want to use your child as a guinea pig, but I wouldn't.
 
I'm talking about violence against them because they've been left in the care of someone who's biased and might look the other way. If I had a child and realized he was gay, I'd get him out of the scouts unless I absolutely trusted the scout leader to not be homophobic. You might want to use your child as a guinea pig, but I wouldn't.

Again- parents are usually heavily involved in scouts. I would be always involved as a parent, whether my child was gay or straight.
 
Again- parents are usually heavily involved in scouts. I would be always involved as a parent, whether my child was gay or straight.

You're just continuing to argue because you think I have something against homosexuals. I do not. And I would not trust the leadership of an organization that has been traditionally homophobic for whatever reason, and unless you're the troop leader, you will not always be there.
 
This is not the country I was born in--seriously!

They are really jamming this life-style down our throats to try and divide this country further. It is neither government nor the people's business what people due behind closed doors.

They are seriously exploiting homosexuals anymore. If I were a homosexual I would take offense at their exploitation.

The only way, IMHO to stop this is to not give-in to it. This is nothing more than a hijacked version of the Boy Scouts that I remembered growing up around. Boys went into boy scouts to learn skills and survival. Of course TPTB don't want boys learning that!!!
The boy scouts of 2013 are not the boy scouts of 1917. If i could send my son to the boy scouts of 1917, i would.
 
I do dislike the idea that 'society' has a say in what private people can decide and if it were a law passed, I'd be avidly against it.
Then why is badgering, heckling and threatening by the LGBT community (the power hungry adults, not the kids) considered good, while speaking out with the labels (christian, traditional) are bad? Its unfair, it a managerial state.
 
It's changed a lot during the last few decades too. Check out these PC merit badges:

American Cultures:
http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/BoyScouts/AdvancementandAwards/MeritBadges/mb-ACUL.aspx

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American Labor:
http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/BoyScouts/AdvancementandAwards/MeritBadges/mb-AMLB.aspx

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Citizenship in the World:
http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/BoyScouts/AdvancementandAwards/MeritBadges/mb-CITW.aspx

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Crime Prevention:
http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/BoyScouts/AdvancementandAwards/MeritBadges/mb-CRIP.aspx

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Disabilities Awareness:
http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/BoyScouts/AdvancementandAwards/MeritBadges/mb-DISA.aspx

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Energy (Green)
http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/BoyScouts/AdvancementandAwards/MeritBadges/mb-ENER.aspx

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Environmental Science (for the budding enviro-nazi) :
http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/BoyScouts/AdvancementandAwards/MeritBadges/mb-ENVS.aspx

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YEPPERS! - Looks like the Socialists got their noses far under the BSA tent. Maybe best to start over from scratch...

-t
 
Second, these are KIDS- many are just beginning that confusing transition into puberty. And most of them are not going to be engaged in any kind of sexual stuff.

So none of them become eagle scouts and none are like most heterosexual boys who are at least attempting to oogle what they find sexually attractive by puberty. Good to know. /sarc

Seriously, here's the solution to the whole problem. Forget "boy scouts" or "girl scouts". Just have "scouts" and everybody sleeps in individual tents. Problem solved.

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Just curious, why is a organization that focuses on kids worried about the sexuality and other sexual behavior of the kids?

If they are misbehaving- you send them home. Otherwise, what business is it to ask what a kid wants to do with his dick?

Sick business if you ask me.
 
Sorry if this has already been covered, but this could be the beginning of the end of BSA. I'd read an article indicating that fully 60% of scout troupes were sponsored by churches that had a problem with gays and would drop the troupe if it passed. Haven't seen any follow up to that.

Not much time has passed yet. I know a local church that is going to have a meeting tomorrow night about it.
 
Just curious, why is a organization that focuses on kids worried about the sexuality and other sexual behavior of the kids?

If they are misbehaving- you send them home. Otherwise, what business is it to ask what a kid wants to do with his dick?

Sick business if you ask me.

Exactly. Wtf
 
Just curious, why is a organization that focuses on kids worried about the sexuality and other sexual behavior of the kids?

If they are misbehaving- you send them home. Otherwise, what business is it to ask what a kid wants to do with his dick?

Sick business if you ask me.

My understanding is, they weren't asking and were expecting the kids not to tell. One has to wonder why an adolescent kid would feel the need to share his sexuality with his troop. Seriously, what's the point? As "Ender" said, young scouts (not the Eagles) are just coming into puberty and (we hope) aren't engaging in all that "sexual stuff". So....how does this even come up? And for that matter, does it even need to come up in a scout leaders point of view? I've done a lot of work with various youth organizations over the years. I don't feel the need to tell the kiddies who I'm married to or dating or whatever.
 
Well I agree with asurfaholic, as in why is a kids sexual orientation even something someone is talking about. The organization shouldn't have to be in this position, and an outside group tyring to push gay kids into an organization is just as bad. Something is serious wrong with the picture here people!

I also get sick of hearing the word "homophobe", it's same stupid political correctness as "racist" and "anti-semetic". If somebody doesn't like gays or whatever it's okay, it's called diversity.
 
Well I agree with asurfaholic, as in why is a kids sexual orientation even something someone is talking about. The organization shouldn't have to be in this position, and an outside group tyring to push gay kids into an organization is just as bad. Something is serious wrong with the picture here people!

I also get sick of hearing the word "homophobe", it's same stupid political correctness as "racist" and "anti-semetic". If somebody doesn't like gays or whatever it's okay, it's called diversity.

no, i think labeling people homophobe, or racist needs to stay in the lexicon. Sadly, people act out violently towards people who are not 'like them'...no?

As long as ignorance and violence remains towards these 'diverse' people, these people need to be labeled.
 
no, i think labeling people homophobe, or racist needs to stay in the lexicon. Sadly, people act out violently towards people who are not 'like them'...no?

As long as ignorance and violence remains towards these 'diverse' people, these people need to be labeled.

Yeah, but when someone is so labeled, all it means is that a socialist is loosing an argument 99.9% of the time.

-t
 
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