Bin Laden Killed? Who's buying it?

[Bodhi]

i put yes for now but i would have liked a 3rd choice i think its too early to have an opinion either way.

I don't know what you are expecting to be anounced, they "burried" the body at sea.

 

[Corey]

ok I had a bad day at work with the rubes celebrating this crap, like they just won a high school football game.

But this poll, and some of of my friends, have convinced me that people really are getting it, slowly but surely.

 

[pahs1994]

I don't know what you are expecting to be anounced, they "burried" the body at sea.

pictures, video i dunno... I don't think wanting to see something before forming an opinion is any sillier than assuming that the guy was dead for ten years with no evidence to prove that either

 

[Mini-Me]

I'll just register my "No opinion" opinion here, since there's no poll option. Not only do I not know, but the waters are already so muddy with information, misinformation, and disinformation that I don't think I'll ever be confident in an opinion. No matter what your baseline assumptions are or how much you buy into the official story, there are questions, doubts, inconsistencies, etc. at every stage of the story:

Did he die years ago? Was he killed last week? Was he killed yesterday? Did he fire back? Oh, there's photo evidence! Oh, the photos were faked, but too late now, since most people will continue believing them. Was he buried at sea? Was anyone buried at sea? Why was the house burned down?

It's just like 9/11: There are so many red herrings and so much contradictory information that your only choices are to swallow the official story, randomly assume some conspiratorial permutation, go insane digging deeper, or decide, "Something is being covered up and obfuscated, but we can only speculate about what it is or the extent of the lie."

 

[pcosmar]

pictures, video i dunno... I don't think wanting to see something before forming an opinion is any sillier than assuming that the guy was dead for ten years with no evidence to prove that either

The "guy" had a known medical history. Had been treated (in France I think) and required Dialysis.
Not many Dialysis Clinics in the mountains of Afghanistan.
Find which clinics treated him for the last 10 years. Prove he was alive, before you believe a claim that he was killed.

 

[Bodhi]

pictures, video i dunno... I don't think wanting to see something before forming an opinion is any sillier than assuming that the guy was dead for ten years with no evidence to prove that either

I don't think you will be seeing any videos of the actual take down, as far as pictures, I can't wait to see what they provide. The very fact however, that they burried the body at sea, in my opionion speaks volumes. Really? the US government finally bags OBL and then dumps the body in the sea.

 

[CuseRonPaul]

At first I thought "who cares, he's been a boogeyman for a decade now". But after reading up on stuff that came out while I was asleep, my reaction was "wait, what? This doesn't add up whatsoever". I don't know what happened, but a major part of the story is fabricated and I am pretty damn confident of that.

 

[pahs1994]

The "guy" had a known medical history. Had been treated (in France I think) and required Dialysis.
Not many Dialysis Clinics in the mountains of Afghanistan.
Find which clinics treated him for the last 10 years. Prove he was alive, before you believe a claim that he was killed.

Read my post, i don't believe any claim yet. But you cannot prove he was dead either. As far as the Dialysis, if in fact he built a 1 million dollar facility and the Pakistani govt was right next to it (Seemingly not caring that he was there). It is not a far stretch to believe that he can buy the equipment that he required. Like i said though, i am not drinking the govt koolaid or hopping on the conspiracy bandwagon until i see something. But i fear Mini-me is right, i will probably always have no opinion on this matter because in this day and age there is no way to know anything for sure. Events can be faked or fakes can be made to discredit any real evidence. it is just too murky.

 

[Depressed Liberator]

Of course he's dead. Fucking Christ, do you guys honestly think they would just announce he's dead? Never mind whether or not you believe he's done what he's done in his life, but at the very least you should understand that the person is fucking dead.

 

[CuseRonPaul]

Of course he's dead. Fucking Christ, do you guys honestly think they would just announce he's dead? Never mind whether or not you believe he's done what he's done in his life, but at the very least you should understand that the person is fucking dead.

I think the vast majority of people think he's dead, but most aren't buying that he died in the manner we're being told.

 

[South Park Fan]

Having several family members in the medical field requires me to take this news with a grain of salt. The doctors in my family refer to dialysis as a "five-year death sentence." Put on top of that that bin Laden was in poor health in 2001 and that he was a diabetic with lung problems (two more strikes against his longevity), and the chances of a man with so much going against him medically living almost ten years are astronomical, even leaving aside the fact that he was being hunted in the mountains all this time.

EDIT: Additionally, the fact that the picture has been exposed as a Photoshop of an old picture of bin Laden and that the body was quickly disposed of in the ocean adds reason to be suspicious of the official story.

 

[rnestam]

Booooring

 

[ClayTrainor]

Having several family members in the medical field requires me to take this news with a grain of salt. The doctors in my family refer to dialysis as a "five-year death sentence." Put on top of that that bin Laden was in poor health in 2001 and that he was a diabetic with lung problems (two more strikes against his longevity), and the chances of a man with so much going against him medically living almost ten years are astronomical, even leaving aside the fact that he was being hunted in the mountains all this time.

Sounds about right.

http://www.ehow.com/about_5507068_long-people-live-kidney-dialysis.html

The National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases reports the dialysis survival rate at close to 80 percent through one year, 64 percent through two years, 33 percent after five years and 10 percent through 10 years.

 

[tpreitzel]

ok I had a bad day at work with the rubes celebrating this crap, like they just won a high school football game.

But this poll, and some of of my friends, have convinced me that people really are getting it, slowly but surely.

Need a break today? Get away from the conditioned masses.... I do the same thing as the herd will lead you right off a cliff.

 

[pcosmar]

Read my post, i don't believe any claim yet. But you cannot prove he was dead either. As far as the Dialysis, if in fact he built a 1 million dollar facility and the Pakistani govt was right next to it (Seemingly not caring that he was there). It is not a far stretch to believe that he can buy the equipment that he required. Like i said though, i am not drinking the govt koolaid or hopping on the conspiracy bandwagon until i see something. But i fear Mini-me is right, i will probably always have no opinion on this matter because in this day and age there is no way to know anything for sure. Events can be faked or fakes can be made to discredit any real evidence. it is just too murky.

I have no reason to believe he built a mansion. I have no reason to believe that he was even in Pakistan, though he may possibly been.
I suspect that rumors were circulated by Pakistan Intelligence to milk more funding from the US.

And no, I can't prove that he was or is dead either. I suspect he was dead long ago.
I have absolutely no reason to believe anything that comes out of the White House. Especially when it is accompanied by a media circus.

 

[qh4dotcom]

What would be proof to you at this point?

Doing a video of the corpse with a newspaper dated May 1, 2011 and a headline of something that happened in May

 

[South Park Fan]

Sounds about right.

Keep in mind that bin Laden probably didn't just get kidney failure right when the U.S. invaded Afghanistan. Chances are that he probably had it for a substantial amount of time before the attack, and when his other medical externalities are taken into account, the probability is likely much lower than 10%

 

[Bodhi]

Events can be faked or fakes can be made to discredit any real evidence. it is just too murky.

I agree events can be faked or fakes can be made, but is this case that murky when they throw the body into the sea? No red flags for you?

 

[tpreitzel]

If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit. If evidence is destroyed, then it's a government ploy.

 

[pahs1994]

I agree events can be faked or fakes can be made, but is this case that murky when they throw the body into the sea? No red flags for you?

Of course. But that doesn't prove anything. Sure it seems strange and gives me doubts, but unlike most people here, i'm resisting the urge to just declare that this is a 100% fake event with nothing to go on but my own feelings/opinion on the matter.