Bill Nye: Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children

[Dr.3D]

The next question would be, which universe?

 

[PierzStyx]

Fact: the universe was never created.

Depends on how you define "created." If you mean creation out of nothing than modern day advanced science is trending against that. Though those theories are far from being securely established. They are theories, not Theories. Mathematical constructs of the Universe have been disproven before, don't bet all your eggs on this one being absolutely correct either.

If you mean creation in the sense that God created something from formerly chaotic parts, such as a watchmaker creating a watch from a chaotic gathering of small metal bits, then you are closer to the truth. The Hebrew of the Old Testament even backs this up as the word often translated as "created" in Genesis holds the connotation of "organized", not made something appear from nothing.

 

[ninepointfive]

religion and science aside

Bill Nye is full of himself - egotistical prick

 

[jmdrake]

I guess most people are too busy arguing to watch a one hour video?

I listened to it in the background. It's interesting. Basically he went back to some early commentators who wrote about the Bible before the creationism/evolutionism debate began and made the claim that they believed the Bible looked at days 1 - 5 of creation differently than day 6 onward. Interesting theory. I've heard it before but without the "Old Bible commentators said this" twist. The problem I have with that theory is that it puts sin before death, but God made it clear to Adam and Eve that death would be the result of their sin as opposed to the process of their creation. But it is an interesting theory. Oh, and just ignore the people who troll you by wanting to argue without taking the time to watch what you presented. That's just the nature of the beast hear at RPF.

 

[tttppp]

Depends on how you define "created." If you mean creation out of nothing than modern day advanced science is trending against that. Though those theories are far from being securely established. They are theories, not Theories. Mathematical constructs of the Universe have been disproven before, don't bet all your eggs on this one being absolutely correct either.

If you mean creation in the sense that God created something from formerly chaotic parts, such as a watchmaker creating a watch from a chaotic gathering of small metal bits, then you are closer to the truth. The Hebrew of the Old Testament even backs this up as the word often translated as "created" in Genesis holds the connotation of "organized", not made something appear from nothing.

Most religions don't seem to assert that God was just an organizer. Its possible that there was a God that organized things. I haven't seen one logical explantion for God as a creator of everything.

 

[Dr.3D]

I listened to it in the background. It's interesting. Basically he went back to some early commentators who wrote about the Bible before the creationism/evolutionism debate began and made the claim that they believed the Bible looked at days 1 - 5 of creation differently than day 6 onward. Interesting theory. I've heard it before but without the "Old Bible commentators said this" twist. The problem I have with that theory is that it puts sin before death, but God made it clear to Adam and Eve that death would be the result of their sin as opposed to the process of their creation. But it is an interesting theory. Oh, and just ignore the people who troll you by wanting to argue without taking the time to watch what you presented. That's just the nature of the beast hear at RPF.

You didn't get to the part about time expansion.

 

[jmdrake]

Depends on how you define "created." If you mean creation out of nothing than modern day advanced science is trending against that. Though those theories are far from being securely established. They are theories, not Theories. Mathematical constructs of the Universe have been disproven before, don't bet all your eggs on this one being absolutely correct either.

If you mean creation in the sense that God created something from formerly chaotic parts, such as a watchmaker creating a watch from a chaotic gathering of small metal bits, then you are closer to the truth. The Hebrew of the Old Testament even backs this up as the word often translated as "created" in Genesis holds the connotation of "organized", not made something appear from nothing.

You have to understand. He believes that modern science is controlled by people who want to make sure people believe in God. So science that confirms God is part of the grand scheme to promote God or at the very least make sure science doesn't fully refute God. Come to think of it, you don't have to understand.

 

[QuickZ06]

Dr.3D ill have to watch that video later tonight, but I am looking forward to hearing what is to be said.

 

[tttppp]

The next question would be, which universe?

I generally use the term universe to mean everything.

 

[jmdrake]

You didn't get to the part about time expansion.

Well admittedly I was doing something else at the time. I'll listen to it again, but I did hear that part I think. (The part about there being some places in the universe where a clock would seem to move imperceptibly slow?) I'm not sure how that answers the question of whether or not death preceded sin.

 

[Seraphim]

Ahh ok, so this metaphysical existence is non existent.

You're not very good at trolling.

I didn't say that someone or some omnipotent being did it. But the very fact that this universe is clearly alive and kicking, is proof in and of itself that SOME force created the atoms necessary to spawn it all.

Creationism need not be confined to the religious definition. There is room for discussion, you know.

Fact: the universe was never created.

 

[Dr.3D]

Well admittedly I was doing something else at the time. I'll listen to it again, but I did hear that part I think. (The part about there being some places in the universe where a clock would seem to move imperceptibly slow?) I'm not sure how that answers the question of whether or not death preceded sin.

He explains how time isn't a constant. When the universe was much smaller, time passed at a different speed than it does now. He said something along the lines, "If when the Big Bang happened, someone had been sending out a pulse of light at one second intervals, and encoded in that light was the message, "I am sending this pulse once every second.", if we were able to see it today, the time between those pulses would be something like fifteen minutes."

 

[Seraphim]

It's amazing how gravity influences both time itself and the perception of time.

He explains how time isn't a constant. When the universe was much smaller, time passed at a different speed than it does now. He said something along the lines, "If when the Big Bang happened, someone had been sending out a pulse of light at one second intervals, and encoded in that light was the message, "I am sending this pulse once every second.", if we were able to see it today, the time between those pulses would be something like fifteen minutes."

 

[Dr.3D]

It's amazing how gravity influences both time itself and the perception of time.

Yes, and a smaller universe would mean there was much more gravity. As the universe expands, our clocks tick relatively faster.

 

[QuickZ06]

I feel like some of the people in this thread didn't pay attention in school.

Evolution isn't a scientific theory?

Evolution is a scientific theory. It is important to qualify the theory as 'scientific', because when people use the word theory in 'normal' conversation, they mean a hunch or a guess. Scientists have a word for that. In science, this type of intelligent guessing is called a hypothesis. A scientific theory, however, carries much more importance. Scientists do not lightly assign the term theory to an idea. There are many experiments and observations by many scientists over a large span of time.

In the end I still just think it is just a theory. And what the heck is the difference in a guess and intelligent guess? After reading a ton this subject I think a lot of manipulation goes into this whole 'scientific theory" of evolution.

As for your first sentence, so all you did was just pay attention and never questioned anything in school? Are you pro public school i.e government indoctrinating us?

 

[fisharmor]

Why can't evolution be thought of as being the tool God used to bring about what we now have as life on Earth? Creation could very well have happened in six twenty-four hour days.

Well I am too busy at the moment to watch (but will later), but I have a question:

Why couldn't an omnipotent creator create a universe in six days that was already billions of years old?

 

[Dr.3D]

Well I am too busy at the moment to watch (but will later), but I have a question:

Why couldn't an omnipotent creator create a universe in six days that was already billions of years old?

He didn't have to. But in essence, He did. He just made those six days take billions of years by our reckoning of time.

 

[jmdrake]

He explains how time isn't a constant. When the universe was much smaller, time passed at a different speed than it does now. He said something along the lines, "If when the Big Bang happened, someone had been sending out a pulse of light at one second intervals, and encoded in that light was the message, "I am sending this pulse once every second.", if we were able to see it today, the time between those pulses would be something like fifteen minutes."

Yeah. I get that. In fact the age of the universe has never been a problem for me because I think that "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" means that both had a beginning (God) and not that the earth and the universe is the same age. But I'm still left with my "Which came first, death or sin?" question. In the video he mentioned his daughter asking him about dinosaurs. Regardless of the age of the earth/solar system/universe, did those dinosaurs live and die before sin? And if "creation by natural processes" included man evolving from some lower state (he didn't exactly say that in the film) then why did the "lower men" die before they had a soul that was capable of being held accountable for "sin"?

Anyway, I'll watch it again.

 

[bw68]

If God created the universe, who created God? This view of the world is infinitely complex.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Perfect timing. Cue Mike Huckabee and Rachel Maddow. Election time.