Bill Nye: Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children

[James Madison]

Why can't Christians see how creationism is designed and pushed to make them look stupid to the general public? Same goes for the 'Rapture Ready' crowd.

 

[tttppp]

If God created the universe, who created God? This view of the world is infinitely complex.

Great point. I'm sure you'll see in the religious threads so of the most rediculous ideas to justify God.

 

[tttppp]

Ahh ok, so this metaphysical existence is non existent.

You're not very good at trolling.

I didn't say that someone or some omnipotent being did it. But the very fact that this universe is clearly alive and kicking, is proof in and of itself that SOME force created the atoms necessary to spawn it all.

Creationism need not be confined to the religious definition. There is room for discussion, you know.

If the universe is infinite it was never created. Just because we exist doesn't mean the universe was created.

 

[bw68]

If God created the universe, who created God? This view of the world is infinitely complex.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Has Science become a Religion?

The same spiritual fulfillment found in Religion can be found in science. So maybe better to ask it like that. Religions are typically absolute whereas science is more than a body of knowledge. Like Sagan was saying...science is a way of skeptically interrogating the universe. He said that if we're not able to ask a skeptical question then we are up for grabs. The problem with "Religion" is that it's profoundly absolute by default where faith is relevant. So...I don't know. There has to be a better way to ask that question than you did. Accepting that notion does open the doors to a coexistence though.

Too many keystrokes required to get into that spew depending upon how your threaad goes.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Why is that vid titled "The Big Think"? There's nothing big or profound about the thoughts there.

Nye doesn't own the video. Some person just asked him the question so he answered it. It's not his video. It's the interviewer's video. So, it's the old we ask you decide gag, really. And we all know how that works.

 

[PierzStyx]

You have to understand. He believes that modern science is controlled by people who want to make sure people believe in God. So science that confirms God is part of the grand scheme to promote God or at the very least make sure science doesn't fully refute God. Come to think of it, you don't have to understand.

That is good. Because I have no idea what he means by that. Where does he the evidence for it? Everything I've seen and experienced, and I mean everything has been the exact opposite.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Its funny seeing people fight over "theories" calming they are facts.

like I said. We all know how that works. The author of the vid set the notion up fort his kind of spin. Not really funny since this brings us back to your question about the religion being science meme. We don't want that to trump the terms of controversy.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I undertand and I am all for learning as I am not a scientists or biology teacher but I like and have to question everything.

Well then you're a scientist in spirit.

 

[PierzStyx]

If God created the universe, who created God? This view of the world is infinitely complex.

Multiple religious theologians have addressed this issue. I believe Thomas Aquinas and his adaptation of Aristotle's "Unmoved Mover" theory would be a good place to start.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

In the end I still just think it is just a theory. And what the heck is the difference in a guess and intelligent guess? After reading a ton this subject I think a lot of manipulation goes into this whole 'scientific theory" of evolution.

As for your first sentence, so all you did was just pay attention and never questioned anything in school?

I learned a lot in school and I learned much more outside of school. Did I question what I was taught? Damn right I did. Children are naturally curious and if you attempt to teach them something you can expect a lot of questions and if your answers don't explain things to their liking they will naturally look elsewhere. Your hatred of public schools has led you to believe that absolutely nothing can be learned in one.

Are you pro public school i.e government endoctoring us?

Perhaps if you would have paid more attention in English you would know that the word is indoctrinating.

 

[squarepusher]

The bible is God's word.

The bibles says God created the eart in 6 days.

"6 days" can be interpreted as 6 billion years (day = billion years)

Therefore the bible is accurate and God's word is truth.

 

[Dr.3D]

The bible is God's word.

The bibles says God created the eart in 6 days.

"6 days" can be interpreted as 6 billion years (day = billion years)

Therefore the bible is accurate and God's word is truth.

Well, those 6 billion years are actually 24 hour days. Really!

 

[tttppp]

The bible is God's word.

The bibles says God created the eart in 6 days.

"6 days" can be interpreted as 6 billion years (day = billion years)

Therefore the bible is accurate and God's word is truth.

If you use that mentality you can make the bible mean whatever you want. Which is what religion has done over the course of time. When they realize some of their beliefs are false, they simply change them and say that's what God really meant.

 

[QuickZ06]

I learned a lot in school and I learned much more outside of school. Did I question what I was taught? Damn right I did. Children are naturally curious and if you attempt to teach them something you can expect a lot of questions and if your answers don't explain things to their liking they will naturally look elsewhere. Your hatred of public schools has led you to believe that absolutely nothing can be learned in one.


Perhaps if you would have paid more attention in English you would know that the word is indoctrinating.

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Last edited by DerailingDaTrain; Yesterday at 09:00 PM.

O the irony.

When you cannot attack the idea, attack the spelling. My mac/phone auto corrects sometimes and could really care less.

Yes I do hate public schools, it is what is dumbing down society. And I can tell you have learned just so much by your past posts.

Now do you care to have an intellectual conversation about the topic or just critique my spelling.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

O the irony.

When you cannot attack the idea, attack the spelling. My mac/phone auto corrects sometimes and could really care less.

Yes I do hate public schools, it is what is dumbing down society. And I can tell you have learned just so much by your past posts.

Now do you care to have an intellectual conversation about the topic or just critique my spelling.

I would love to have an intellectual conversation but it would be pretty one-sided since you have admitted to having no knowledge of the topic.

If I am wrong on my knowledge of scientific theory I am all for being educated and all for you sharing your ideas on the subject matter.

I undertand and I am all for learning as I am not a scientists or biology teacher but I like and have to question everything.

I am currently reading a lot of information on this subject and my mind is just running.

But I don't believe that evolution is a scientific theory.

I also highly doubt that your mac/phone would choose the word endoctoring.

 

[jmdrake]

Well, those 6 billion years are actually 24 hour days. Really!

I watched the end again. The thought experiment of the laser pulses from the origin of the universe is interesting. (Because of the expansion of the universe, light pulses sent 1 second apart would actually arrive at much later times). I will need to read his book.

 

[Dr.3D]

I watched the end again. The thought experiment of the laser pulses from the origin of the universe is interesting. (Because of the expansion of the universe, light pulses sent 1 second apart would actually arrive at much later times). I will need to read his book.

Yes, because the change in gravity would make time change with the expansion and there being less gravity where the earth is now, versus were it was back then.
As I recall, he said something about the pulses sent at one second intervals would now be seen as coming at fifteen minute intervals. With that amount of change in time, it's easy to see why the decay of radioactive materials we see now, it would appear that billions of years have passed, when in reality only thousands have really passed.

I have one of his books on my shelf, "The Science of God". It is really interesting as it shows the timeline of creation and the six thousand years. It also explains the origins of mankind.

 

[QuickZ06]

I would love to have an intellectual conversation but it would be pretty one-sided since you have admitted to having no knowledge of the topic.

I also highly doubt that your mac/phone would choose the word endoctoring.

You would be surprised in what my phone can mistype for me. They have websites dedicated to misspelled texts and what not for christ sake.

I would love to hear more about your public school ennnnnnnndoctering. O wait thats why you are hear.......to stray away from the real topics like in every other thread you post in.

Why are you a member here when all you do is derail every thread?

So again you prove you have no further more knowledge on the subject and yet again attacked my grammar. You never have substance to any of your posts and all you do is deflect when someone points out the irony in yourself such as you editing your post, for more than likely grammatical errors and or other corrections. You seriously need to just zip it from here on out if all you are going to do is try to derail this thread.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I'm sorry, been busy lately and haven't read through the thread. The OP is just the same old tired line from the establishment science priesthood. They keep trying to frame the debate around a debate between "fact" and "religion". But Darwinism is not a fact, it is a religious viewpoint.

Then he tries to equate Darwinism with other technological endeavors. Wrong. Anyway, Darwinism is a novel paradigm in science. Scientific speculation itself began with a philosophical foundation of creationism. Science is false anyway. All of the laws of science and all of the theories of science are false and by definition cannot be true. Truth is by definition that which cannot change. Science always changes. Science cannot yield truth statements and it is not designed to yield true statements. Science is technological, not cognitive.