Bill Kristol: 'We Beat Back Ron Paul and Rand Paul'

[AZJoe]

 

[donnay]

Go Tom GO!!!

 

[RestorationOfLiberty]

...many many of the republicans, neo-cons, conservatives, etc. whatever you call them, i know are 'laughing' more than they ever have!..ime, republicans, are, generally, very average, or slightly below, as to 'smarts'...and you know what they say about 'the average american'...most of this same 18% or so of the population would vote for george dubya bush again if given the chance!...twisted hillary was right about one thing: ...republicans are, generally, truly deplorable...ugh..

The poll numbers, primaries prove you wrong. The Neo con agenda has been tried, it failed by designed and has been cast aside in the dust bin of history.

 

[merkelstan]

a few of you have an inkling

 

[AZJoe]

...many many of the republicans, neo-cons, conservatives, etc. whatever you call them

neo-cons and conservatives are contradictions in terms. neo-cons are not by any stretch conservative.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Well, to be fair ... no, wait, to hell with being fair to Kristol ... to be precise, nothing in what Kristol said indicates that he gives a shit about what the Constitution requires, one way or the other ...

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Rand beat himself blaming rural white bitter clinger voters.

Trump beat Rand by appealing to nationalism and fear. Simple as that.

Liberty isn't popular.

The poll numbers, primaries prove you wrong. The Neo con agenda has been tried, it failed by designed and has been cast aside in the dust bin of history.

Yes, that's why Trump has called for increased military spending, increased the number of troops in Syria and Afghanistan, done nothing to lift sanctions against Iran or Russia, appointed neocons to his administration, accelerated drone bombings, and attacked Assad (twice).

Everything's so different...

 

[nikcers]

Trump beat Rand by appealing to nationalism and fear. Simple as that.

Liberty isn't popular.



Yes, that's why Trump has called for increased military spending, increased the number of troops in Syria and Afghanistan, done nothing to lift sanctions against Iran or Russia, appointed neocons to his administration, accelerated drone bombings, and attacked Assad (twice).

Everything's so different...

I bet you 2 billion dollars that the free coverage from the MSM and Russia trolls helped his tv show promotional campaign materialize into the most funded primary challenge in recent history.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I bet you 2 billion dollars that the free coverage from the MSM and Russia trolls helped his tv show promotional campaign materialize into the most funded primary challenge in recent history.

No doubt

The only question is what the MSM/Russia were trying to accomplish.

I'm not convinced that Russia originally meant for him to be President, more of a general shit-stirring operation.

The MSM may have just been seeking ratings, enjoying the clownshow.

Or it may have been more planned than that...

In either case, it helped him immensely.

 

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Trump beat Rand by appealing to nationalism and fear. Simple as that.

Liberty isn't popular.



Yes, that's why Trump has called for increased military spending, increased the number of troops in Syria and Afghanistan, done nothing to lift sanctions against Iran or Russia, appointed neocons to his administration, accelerated drone bombings, and attacked Assad (twice).

Everything's so different...

How is nationalism a bad thing?

How is appealing to self interests "fear"?

We get it, you are upset you not only lost but got your asses kicked, it YOUR fault you could not make others agree with your message, ok? YOURs, not OURs for winning.

we have cut spending to arm rebels, working with Russia for a peace in Syria, securing the borders, limiting immigration, crecking the whip on Voter Fraud, etc. He is clearly not a neo con but you are clearly a liar.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

How is nationalism a bad thing?

It entails the violation of individual rights.

How is appealing to self interests "fear"?

Mexicans are going to kill you, therefore vote for me = fearmongering

We get it, you are upset you not only lost but got your asses kicked, it YOUR fault you could not make others agree with your message, ok? YOURs, not OURs for winning.

Yes, democracy is a poor form of government.

we have cut spending to arm rebels, working with Russia for a peace in Syria

Imaginary

securing the borders, limiting immigration

Harmful (and largely imaginary)

crecking the whip on Voter Fraud

Imaginary

He is clearly not a neo con

Yes, he only adopts the neocons' policies and puts neocons in his administration.

 

[RestorationOfLiberty]

It entails the violation of individual rights.

No, it does you are just lying as you cant make an argument against like minded people keep out disruptive groups.

Mexicans are going to kill you, therefore vote for me = fearmongering

It has nothing to do with trans national Narco Terrorists, right, or the cost of illegal immigration, or those murdered by illegal immigrants, right?

Yes, democracy is a poor form of government.

Get use to losing, at least its to us, and not the left who will import more and more hostile voters.

Imaginary

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/05/30/5k-noncitizens-registered-vote-virginia-report-finds/

Facts say other wise, but its ok, you would rather lose then win and that is what is happening.





Nope, securing borders is not "harmful" and borders are very, very real. If you think other wise, try and invade my house or anyone else`s property. Nor is limiting immigration bad at all. I know its upsetting your lies are not being believed but that is what happens to all lies given a long enough run, they are exposed and dumped.

 

[Jamesiv1]

Rand was a firebrand the first few months of the primary. Kicking ass and taking names. Seemed to me about the time Trump started coming on strong, Rand lost his way with his milquetoast attempt to "broaden the base" and appeal to both sides of the issues.

He should have continued kicking ass.

Towards the end it seemed apparent that Rand really wanted to be the candidate, and Trump really couldn't give a flip - which was appealing.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

No, it does you are just lying as you cant make an argument against like minded people keep out disruptive groups.

Violence is justified only in defense of property.

The violence directed against people (both foreigners and citizens) for the purpose of enforcing immigration restrictions does not defend property.

Therefore, it's unjustified.

It has nothing to do with trans national Narco Terrorists, right, or the cost of illegal immigration, or those murdered by illegal immigrants, right?

Yes, that's the propaganda which Fox spent the summer of 2015 feeding you, and which generated the fears that Trump used to con you.

Get use to losing, at least its to us, and not the left who will import more and more hostile voters.

You are the left.

Nope, securing borders is not "harmful" and borders are very, very real. If you think other wise, try and invade my house or anyone else`s property.

See, you're a communist.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Rand was a firebrand the first few months of the primary. Kicking ass and taking names. Seemed to me about the time Trump started coming on strong, Rand lost his way with his milquetoast attempt to "broaden the base" and appeal to both sides of the issues.

He should have continued kicking ass.

The "different kind of Republican" thing was working well; Rand led the polls at one point.

The political climate only changed with the emergence of ISIS (or the neocon spin thereon) and then FOX's anti-immigrant propaganda push.

If the election were held a few years earlier Rand would have been the nominee.

Bad timing

 

[AuH20]

Rand was a firebrand the first few months of the primary. Kicking ass and taking names. Seemed to me about the time Trump started coming on strong, Rand lost his way with his milquetoast attempt to "broaden the base" and appeal to both sides of the issues.

He should have continued kicking ass.

Towards the end it seemed apparent that Rand really wanted to be the candidate, and Trump really couldn't give a flip - which was appealing.

Rand told Limbaugh privately he was going to run an Obama like campaign with horseshit platitudes, while the country is literally being raped by globalized special interests. You saw how that tact worked out.

Trump can be criticized but this was the speech that will live on far past his existence. I'm almost 100% sure he didn't write it, but that is not important. This speech was the staking of the flag moment for the disenfranchised.

 

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Violence is justified only in defense of property.

Its also justified in defense of a nation, culture, people, etc.

The violence directed against people (both foreigners and citizens) for the purpose of enforcing immigration restrictions does not defend property.

Wrong, we are defending the property (IE wealth, tax dollars, property values, income, lives) of people harmed or burdened by mass immigration.

Therefore, it's unjustified.

So wrong.

Yes, that's the propaganda which Fox spent the summer of 2015 feeding you, and which generated the fears that Trump used to con you.

http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp This list proves you wrong and a liar.

You are the left.

I support sound money, secure borders, limited government, Freedom of and from Association, privacy rights, total gun rights, but I am the left?

You believe all people are interchangeable cogs, a hallmark of the left. You deny basic facts and slander anyone who does not walk lockstep with you, more hallmarks of the left...

See, you're a communist.

We won, open borders, mass immigration/open borders is a failures and is a tactic to import ringers for marxists. You have lost, no one really believes your lies, deal with it.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Its also justified in defense of a nation, culture, people, etc.

Nope

Wrong, we are defending the property (IE wealth, tax dollars, property values, income, lives) of people harmed or burdened by mass immigration.

One is not entitled to one's property values or job. As for any actual threat to property, such as from crime, the solution is to punish the individual criminals, not violate the rights of millions of people (foreigners and citizens) to restrict the entry of the other 99% of innocent immigrants. The solution to welfare for immigrants is, of course, to eliminate it.

http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp This list proves you wrong and a liar.

Bernays would be pleased.

I support sound money, secure borders, limited government, Freedom of and from Association, privacy rights, total gun rights

Nope

but I am the left?

Yep

 

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Nope



One is not entitled to one's property values or job. As for any actual threat to property, such as from crime, the solution is to punish the individual criminals, not violate the rights of millions of people (foreigners and citizens) to restrict the entry of the other 99% of innocent immigrants. The solution to welfare for immigrants is, of course, to eliminate it.

So you have the right to own property, the right to protect property, but not protect its value...Double think much?

And if you import them and they vote by the millions to give themselves welfare, vote away your rights, as they do now? What then?

Just submit, lose on "MUH PRINCIPLES"?

Bernays would be pleased.

Not an argument, now, HOW ARE THOSE PEOPLE NOT VICTIMS OF MASS IMMIGRATION.

Its ok, you have lost. It does not matter if you learn it, accept it, etc.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

So you have the right to own property, the right to protect property, but not protect its value

That's correct.

To own a thing means to have the exclusive right to use it: not to control its market price.

A right to control the market price of something one owns equates to a right to force others to pay one more than they want for it.

...Double think much?

I suggest you locate some introductory readings in libertarian thought.

And if you import them and they vote by the millions to give themselves welfare, vote away your rights, as they do now? What then?

If 99% of Americans already do that, what difference does it make?

Not an argument, now, HOW ARE THOSE PEOPLE NOT VICTIMS OF MASS IMMIGRATION.

HOW DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE OTHER THAN IMMIGRANTS COMMIT CRIMES?

SHOW ME THAT MEMORIAL YOU TWIT.