Bill Kristol: 'We Beat Back Ron Paul and Rand Paul'

[unknown]

Deport him and every other Neo Con.

 

[nikcers]

Yeah, because a secure border is the same as a police state, not wanting to live in Northern Mexico is the same as being a statist...

You are a statist because you think the state can operate without unintended consequences.

 

[Ender]

All these Giuliani-lite alt-right loonies need to have a BIG does of Ron Paul and stop schilling here.

Ya think?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Holy God you guys are autistic. IF WE DO NOT ALLOW IN TERRORISTS AND THE CULTURES/GROUPS THAT PRODUCE THEM, WE WOULD NOT HAVE A POLICE STATE, NOR THE NEED, NOR THE SUPPORT FOR ONE, MY GOD ARE YOU THIS DUMB.

Do you seriously believe that the only reasons we are careening into a police state are "DER MOOSIMS!!??"

 

[timosman]

You are a statist because you think the state can operate without unintended consequences.

While this is true, the philosophical concerns about the government pale in comparison to the problems with the actual state of affairs today. You might as well argue there is no point in pumping water out from a sinking ship because the hole, the water is getting through, is still there. You are being disingenuous at best. You might also have a desire to watch the world burn. Wouldn't that be fun?

 

[nikcers]

While this is true, the philosophical concerns about the government pale in comparison to the problems with the actual state of affairs today. You might as well argue there is no point in pumping water out from a sinking ship because the hole, the water is getting through, is still there. You are being disingenuous at best. You might also have a desire to watch the world burn. Wouldn't that be fun?

You might think its possible to bale water out of a sunken ship. I very much would love to have a bigger government when my government would sooner label me a domestic terrorist and put me in jail for speech, audit my taxes, put me in jail for smoking a plant or boycotting wars.

I hope you never live to see power corrupted. I hope the president never kills an American on American soil just because drones are fun and its authorized in the NDAA

 

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Do you seriously believe that the only reasons we are careening into a police state are "DER MOOSIMS!!??"

Only? No, primary excuse to create one? Yes.

Police state aside, look how they act, their impact on the economy, and their voting habits, its all a great reason NOT to allow them into the nation. Why import welfare voters who cultural hallmarks are terrorism and other actions which are used to create a police state.

 

[RestorationOfLiberty]

While this is true, the philosophical concerns about the government pale in comparison to the problems with the actual state of affairs today. You might as well argue there is no point in pumping water out from a sinking ship because the hole, the water is getting through, is still there. You are being disingenuous at best. You might also have a desire to watch the world burn. Wouldn't that be fun?

"Do nothing because their is a problem, dont solve it, because "muh spreging".....

Some people would rather be murdered then use force, some people would rather lose everything if it violates "muh principles".

 

[RestorationOfLiberty]

You might think its possible to bale water out of a sunken ship. I very much would love to have a bigger government when my government would sooner label me a domestic terrorist and put me in jail for speech, audit my taxes, put me in jail for smoking a plant or boycotting wars.

I hope you never live to see power corrupted. I hope the president never kills an American on American soil just because drones are fun and its authorized in the NDAA

Funny, how can they label you such again? What event and who perpetrated it that gave them an excuse to do such again?

 

[RestorationOfLiberty]

You are a statist because you think the state can operate without unintended consequences.

No, I am not an anarchist because I believe the state has some role to play, namely protecting the nation from invasion.

You are a reality detached person who thinks allowing in tens of millions of people who do not share you values, culture, and will vote against your rights will not happen because "MUH feels".

 

[nikcers]

Funny, how can they label you such again? What event and who perpetrated it that gave them an excuse to do such again?

It wasn't about me, specifically, just the fact that lots of people in modern times have been abused by government power. The deep state tried entrapping john kiriakou mulitple times because he spoke out against the government torturing people. I don't care how much you love the Trump government, you don't know what government is coming next.

 

[timosman]

I don't care how much you love the Trump government, you don't know what government is coming next.

Should I start shitting my pants now?

 

[RestorationOfLiberty]

It wasn't about me, specifically, just the fact that lots of people in modern times have been abused by government power. The deep state tried entrapping john kiriakou mulitple times because he spoke out against the government torturing people. I don't care how much you love the Trump government, you don't know what government is coming next.

So why not limit its power?
Why would you allow in millions of people who are willing to grant the government more and more power and have them out vote you, making your goals, ideals impossible to enact do to their importation?

 

[H. E. Panqui]

neo-cons and conservatives are contradictions in terms. neo-cons are not by any stretch conservative.

....whatever...ime, functionally, they both support the gd fool republicans overwhelmingly...'both' are DEFINITELY part of the problem...

 

[DamianTV]

Holy God you guys are autistic. IF WE DO NOT ALLOW IN TERRORISTS AND THE CULTURES/GROUPS THAT PRODUCE THEM, WE WOULD NOT HAVE A POLICE STATE, NOR THE NEED, NOR THE SUPPORT FOR ONE, MY GOD ARE YOU THIS DUMB.

If you dig deep enough, you'll see the Deep State had its hand in the very creation of their groups by weaponizing their own religion into brainwashing instruments of hatred. They need conflict between "us" and "them" for power to be surrendered to them.

As far as Police State? Yes, we do live in one, but do NOT NEED a Police State. What we need is to be free of those who created the Police State by playing both sides of the field. The idea that we somehow "need" a Police State to protect us from Boogeyman of the Week is Fearmongering and the easiest to spot form of Propaganda I can give you.

 

[RestorationOfLiberty]

If you dig deep enough, you'll see the Deep State had its hand in the very creation of their groups by weaponizing their own religion into brainwashing instruments of hatred. They need conflict between "us" and "them" for power to be surrendered to them.

As far as Police State? Yes, we do live in one, but do NOT NEED a Police State. What we need is to be free of those who created the Police State by playing both sides of the field. The idea that we somehow "need" a Police State to protect us from Boogeyman of the Week is Fearmongering and the easiest to spot form of Propaganda I can give you.

I am very aware of neo cons and the use of/spread of Islam. But then again Islam does not need Neo Con asshattery, although it does make their spread that much easier.

They also need excuses to import more of them via the "invade the world/invite the world" lunacy.

We do not need a police state, but other people are just too dumb to see, understand this, and sadly they have the right to vote.

 

[DamianTV]

I am very aware of neo cons and the use of/spread of Islam. But then again Islam does not need Neo Con asshattery, although it does make their spread that much easier.

They also need excuses to import more of them via the "invade the world/invite the world" lunacy.

We do not need a police state, but other people are just too dumb to see, understand this, and sadly they have the right to vote.

Yup. #1 reason why propaganda is used? It is effective.

 

[Raginfridus]

....whatever...ime, functionally, they both support the gd fool republicans overwhelmingly...'both' are DEFINITELY part of the problem...

I haven't observed the same problem, but two problems. I haven't met a conservative in the past, at least 5 years, who was overwhelmingly supportive of Republicans. They only vote red numerically these days, because the blues scare them more, which leaves them with no other options but to drop out of politics or vote red. That's problem one. Problem two are the neo-cons themselves, for which there's no realistic solution short of a new government. Unfortunately, that can't be done peacefully, because the neo-cons, and their prog allies, are corrupt and bloodthirsty liars, whose network of accomplices infest every layer of government, in every branch of government. Anyone looking to "drain the swamp" would need an army of bureaucrats, to then fill the swamp, after dismissing everyone they legally could. Not to mention the cooperation of willing legislative and judicial branches. To surrender our government, the neo-cons would need to be met by a greater force, and a reasonable assurance of pardon, otherwise we only accelerate toward mass murder, which the American people cannot win - not in our 21st century police state we couldn't.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

I haven't observed the same problem, but two problems. I haven't met a conservative in the past, at least 5 years, who was overwhelmingly supportive of Republicans. They only vote red numerically these days, because the blues scare them more, which leaves them with no other options but to drop out of politics or vote red. That's problem one. Problem two are the neo-cons themselves, for which there's no realistic solution short of a new government. Unfortunately, that can't be done peacefully, because the neo-cons, and their prog allies, are corrupt and bloodthirsty liars, whose network of accomplices infest every layer of government, in every branch of government. Anyone looking to "drain the swamp" would need an army of bureaucrats, to then fill the swamp, after dismissing everyone they legally could. Not to mention the cooperation of willing legislative and judicial branches. To surrender our government, the neo-cons would need to be met by a greater force, and a reasonable assurance of pardon, otherwise we only accelerate toward mass murder, which the American people cannot win - not in our 21st century police state we couldn't.

...'republican/democrat', 'liberal/conservative', 'right/left' etc., are false dichotomies...constructed to herd the sheeple into a very narrow range of thought...at least with respect to the biggest/most important thing$: the all-powerful, near all-controlling monetary fraud going on our noses, the goddamned fool warmongerism/interventionism, government schooling, hideous corporate agriculture, etc. ad nauseam...oh there have been a few 'decent ones' amongst the republicrats...but they have proven very very very very rare...i'd argue they are practically extinct...

...there is no excuse except ignorance, hate, fear, greed, etc., for affirming any of these stinking puppet$..ugh...btw, many 'liberals' i know vote for/affirm the stinking democrats because they don't want ?your stinking republicans anywhere near power...i, and i firmly believe most/all sane decent people, don't want any of these stinking republicrat monetary ignoramuses/puppet$ anywhere near power...

 

[acptulsa]

Well you Neo cons have had a good run and are about to get wiped out by the Alt Right...

Don't tell the America First crowd that the United States will be far from the first empire to break itself on the mountains of Afghanistan. They might as well be allowed to wallow in their blissful ignorance a little while longer.