Bible and the end of times..

[Bill M DC]

Of course it was defensive, because your comment was offensive.

But I will take the offensive now.

There is a vast difference between what we do (as pro-life supporters) and what you propose. If we are to have any part in the government, we will see that our interest are served, and our interests include not condoning the extermination of innocent human life. I am not politically involved in Iraq and I don't care to be.

It's an issue of principle, that we should not allow this blood to be spilled under our authority. This IS a republic, and those that we elect are elected by the consent of the people, on that same authority. It is our choice and our right to stand firm in the decision not to allow this blood to be on our hands.

Balk as you may, but you have no convincing argument to tell me I should support a "better" candidate when they are pro-choice. It is my opinion that they have already given up the most important and foundational principle in this great nation. In a truly free society, the ONLY job for the government is to protect the weak from oppression, and the unborn constitute the weak.

Can you show me any candidate who is for abortion rights, yet otherwise a worthy candidate? If not, then your former attack is entirely worthless.

It does amaze me however how many pro-lifers either have nothing to say about the criminal sacrifice of innocent life in an illegal occupation or condone out right ethnic cleansing, economic genocide and the sacrifice of our babies on an illegal battle field! Any one who lists themselves as pro-life and relegates their concern and action only to the unborn are liars.

 

[enjerth]

I attack no-one. If you want to create distinctions that is your prerogative.

I am not a Republican, or Democrat.

When Ron Paul endorses either McCain or Obama I'll lose faith in him.

Something tells me...

That ain't gonna happen.

Then WHAT exactly are you opposing here? Or is it just a time-wasting rant?

 

[enjerth]

It does amaze me however how many pro-lifers either have nothing to say about the criminal sacrifice of innocent life in an illegal occupation or condone out right ethnic cleansing, economic genocide and the sacrifice of our babies on an illegal battle field! Any one who lists themselves as pro-life and relegates their concern and action only to the unborn are liars.

Don't be so narrow minded. Many of them are just ignorant.

 

[Ozwest]

Please explain how pro-life libertarians (which for the most part are the people you're addressing here) are going to usher in a Theocracy.

Excuse me.

There are many Libertarians on this board who are not "pro life."

You might be surprised.

Stop generalizing.

 

[Bill M DC]

I am not a hater, and I have also been around awhile.

The points you make would be right in ordinary times, but these are not ordinary times. Part of the reason these are extraordinary times bears on fundamentalist-read-that-extremist religiosity. It has no place in governance, on either side of the Atlantic.

What does that mean, you don't jump in the middle of an agnostic thread?

"I just don't know if God exists...there's so much evidence to the contrary."

"Yeah, me neither...this is hard."

"It really is...guess we just do the best we can 'cause it's the right thing to do, and if there IS an afterlife, we'll not be sorry."

"Pretty much."

You don't hop in the middle of that and cast aspersions or hijack it? Criticize what? Hijack it where?

Holy Rollers have been unduly influential in American affairs as surely as Israel has been unduly influential in American affairs.

Libertarians are not the only ones trying to awaken the citizenry. Education, education is a battle cry. Part of that education, speaking of End Of Times, shall be reacquaintance with the historical dangers of a prominent Clerical Class.

Spanish Inquisition, anyone?

I will exit this thread but not this argument. Do you see how you declare the topic of the End Of Times off limits to all but those who tow precisely your line? The Renaissance popes sold Forgiveness. A belief system that does not bear up under scrutiny seems scarcely worth holding, but that is each person's affair unto himself UNLESS, I am come full circle, Believers endeavor to prescribe and proscribe unto all of society according to their personal beliefs.

I purposefully listened to Holy Roller radio for about eight weeks. I am here to testify that certain of our Clerics are filling the air waves and the citizens' heads with some dangerous and oh-by-the-way-profitable claptrap interpretations of Scripture.

It just so happens my friend that I disagree with many peoples theology here.
I grew up in the evil shadow of religious fundaMENTALism.
There's only one line to toe and that's between you and your maker.
You are not going to get anywhere trying to prove or dis-prove anyone's theology here. So please get off your high horse.

 

[enjerth]

Excuse me.

There are many Libertarians on this board who are not "pro life."

You might be surprised.

Stop generalizing.

It was not a generalization. It was a qualification. Libertarians that are pro-life. So can you answer the question, or just throw out objections to my reply?

 

[Ozwest]

Then WHAT exactly are you opposing here? Or is it just a time-wasting rant?

Obviously you have something to say.

"Life is a game, boy. Life is a game that one plays according to the rules."

J. D. Salinger ---

 

[enjerth]

It just so happens my friend that I disagree with many peoples theology here.
I grew up in the evil shadow of religious fundaMENTALism.
There's only one line to toe and that's between you and your maker.
You are not going to get anywhere trying to prove or dis-prove anyone's theology here. So please get off your high horse.

The topic of this thread is based on the pretext of those who believe in such things. I'd humbly suggest that the people on high horses here are those who have hijacked this thread for the purpose of debating the fundamentals of religion, rather than those of faith who have something to contribute to the original intent of this thread.

Anyone for a debate on evolution, now?

 

[Ozwest]

It was not a generalization. It was a qualification. Libertarians that are pro-life. So can you answer the question, or just throw out objections to my reply?

I am 'pro life," but I am also pragmatic.

To enshrine "pro life" will change diddly.

 

[Ozwest]

Why don't you make a law that people can't take drugs, or drink under-age?

 

[cheapseats]

It just so happens my friend that I disagree with many peoples theology here.
I grew up in the evil shadow of religious fundaMENTALism.
There's only one line to toe and that's between you and your maker.
You are not going to get anywhere trying to prove or dis-prove anyone's theology here. So please get off your high horse.

MY high horse? The old takes one to know one, I dare say...End Of Times only pertains to theologians? I observe you would include an insult AFTER a person announces exit from a conversation.

Permit me, then, to defend myself...or is that not allowed?

I am not trying to prove or dis-prove anyone's theology. I am arguing...in a time of unprecedented national and international crisis, it bears mention...that a distinct separation of church and state speaks to both Change and Constitutionality, both increasingly en vogue. Thank God.

 

[enjerth]

Why don't you make a law that people can't take drugs, or drink under-age?

Why don't you start a new thread to post your rants in? This one was kind of meant for... discussing biblical prophecy as it applies to today.

 

[bluemarkets]

You don't seem to understand something. That isn't one manuscript you troglodyte. That is your precious bible, long before the great powers of the church toyed with it to fit their demands.

Man-made, idiot approved.

You're wrong that's just one of many manuscripts that we have...

How can there be discrepancies if there is nothing to compare it too?

COMPARE
Julius Caesar's The Gallic Wars (10 manuscripts remain)
Thucydides' History (8 manuscripts)
Plato (7 manuscripts)

Ever heard of the Iliad? It is considered by scholars to be the second most-preserved work in all of history with ~634 manuscripts to verify it.

Out of 15,600 lines - there are 760 lines of disputed text or about 5%. But no one questions its integrity

The New testament has over 25,000 ancient manuscripts of copies and fragments and over 5,600 manuscripts copied from the original Greek with only 40 lines of disputed text.

With over 20,000 lines of text, 40 disputed lines represent only .2%, none of which affect core doctrine

Nice try though ...

 

[Ozwest]

Why don't you start a new thread to post your rants in? This one was kind of meant for... discussing biblical prophecy as it applies to today.

Sorry boy,

Life is what happens to you.

While you are busy making other plans.

 

[nbhadja]

Originally Posted by bluemarkets
Well considering the Bible is the most accurate and reliable record of history in the world, you might want to take it more seriously ...


Sorry but the bible is a fictional joke that says a man named Noah made a giant arc and fit 2 of every single animal species on it.........very accurate

 

[nbhadja]

The burden of proof lies with you, go ahead and prove it otherwise, I'm listening ...

You are the one saying a magical man in the sky created everything, YOU prove it!

 

[enjerth]

Sorry boy,

Life is what happens to you.

While you are busy making other plans.

So, you're apologizing for being an asshole and trying to say that it's just life?

 

[Ozwest]

So, you're apologizing for being an asshole and trying to say that it's just life?

No.

I scratch where it itches.

 

[bluemarkets]

You are the one saying a magical man in the sky created everything, YOU prove it!

A little fiesty there ...

let's see, the alternative is that nothing created everything, and that man comes from a rock. You must have more faith than I do.

Someone who is never searching for God will never find him. Kind of like the thief looking for the cops. I know you cant logically argue someone to believe, as it is less a question of the mind and more a question of the heart.

 

[justinc.1089]

The Seventh-Day Adventist Church teaches the Beast in Revelation is the United States. They teach that the European Union is also something in Revelation possibly, and they say that one of the Popes will be the Anti-Christ and that the Catholic Church is the Apostate Church, or something similar to all of that. There's a fascinating article titled "Freemasonry Exposed" on infowars.com about the Catholic Church that says the same stuff the SDA Church says, but it was by a Catholic supposedly. I don't get why it was titled freemasonry exposed though because I didn't find anything about freemasonry in it lol.