Bible and the end of times..

[cheapseats]

Well considering the Bible is the most accurate and reliable record of history in the world,

Fiddle de dee.

 

[Kade]

Well considering the Bible is the most accurate and reliable record of history in the world, you might want to take it more seriously ...

If you study history Im assuming you know what textual criticism is?

Compared to every other ancient text, the Bible has everything beat hands down, it's almost embarrassing

There isn't a phrase in the English language, nay, in all of human language that can correctly quantify how utterly ridiculous this utterance is...

For any frame of reference, I would have to refer you to Orwell's understanding of Doublethink, or anything that tells you that 2+2=5.

 

[Ozwest]

Well considering the Bible is the most accurate and reliable record of history in the world, you might want to take it more seriously ...

If you study history Im assuming you know what textual criticism is?

Compared to every other ancient text, the Bible has everything beat hands down, it's almost embarrassing

The Bible is a artifact.

It is not reliable, and not a documented reliable record of history.

Do you have an open mind?

 

[bluemarkets]

There isn't a phrase in the English language, nay, in all of human language that can correctly quantify how utterly ridiculous this utterance is...

For any frame of reference, I would have to refer you to Orwell's understanding of Doublethink, or anything that tells you that 2+2=5.

The Bible is a artifact.

It is not reliable, and not a documented reliable record of history.

Do you have an open mind?

The burden of proof lies with you, go ahead and prove it otherwise, I'm listening ...

 

[Bill M DC]

You guys should check out the expositional studies done by Chuck Missler. It goes over most peoples heads but just like anything, if you close your mind the truth will pass you by.

www.http://khouse.org

 

[Yooper Jo]

jbrace,

I have been studying this myself. Revelation is a good place to start. Daniel and Isaiah are also good for end times study. I have found http://www.khouse.org/6640_cat radio programs to really help me understand when I get confused with something. His Learn the Bible in 24 Hours is a great overview to start with and the prophetic programs go over a lot of what you are asking.
I am watching at this point for Damascus to become a ruinous heap. (Isaiah 17:1) I am not quite sure of the timetable. I do know that Israel is back in the land and that was one of the main signposts to watch for to signal the times of the end.

To all the haters, I am not claiming to be an expert at anything; just learning for MYSELF. I could care less if you want to belittle me. I have been around a long time. Been there, done that, WON'T go back there. Jbrace asked a specific question about what signs are in the bible and how they correlate to now, not whether or not you believe (or want to make fun). SO...do you have any signs/correlations? If not, could you please stop hijacking the thread so those who are interested don't have to wade through all your posts?

 

[Kade]

The burden of proof lies with you, go ahead and prove it otherwise, I'm listening ...

For starter's: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7651105.stm

 

[Ozwest]

The burden of proof lies with you, go ahead and prove it otherwise, I'm listening ...

What? That Jesus was raised from the dead? That Mother Mary was a virgin?

Sorry...

Perhaps you could relate archaelogical science and excavated writings, comparing them with Biblical texts written several hundred years AD. , and interpreted by Roman demagogues.

 

[Bill M DC]

Thanks Yooper Jo!

I don't jump in the middle of agnostic or atheist threads or any other for that matter and belittle/ridicule people's belief system. This thread assumes that the reader is a believer or at least curious and is here to participate in grown up discussion of the scriptures. I'm not here to shove anything down any one's throat and I would appreciate others not doing the same to me.

So if you don't have anything nice to say, shut your cake hole or go eat cake.

 

[bluemarkets]

For starter's: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7651105.stm

so we now believe the main stream media?

This guy takes 1 manuscript out of the thousands we have and says there are discrepancies? sounds more like his opinion to me.

Read up on textual criticism and you will see that the transmission of the bible from then till now is reliable.

 

[Kade]

so we now believe the main stream media?

This guy takes 1 manuscript out of the thousands we have and says there are discrepancies? sounds more like his opinion to me.

Read up on textual criticism and you will see that the transmission of the bible from then till now is reliable.

You don't seem to understand something. That isn't one manuscript you troglodyte. That is your precious bible, long before the great powers of the church toyed with it to fit their demands.

Man-made, idiot approved.

 

[Ozwest]

As an atheist, I have nothing against religion. My family is highly religious. I respect the many good works of religion.
I would die protecting your right to practice your faith.

But...

Could you stop electing dim-wits based on stupid shit?

Please remember the Seperation of Church and State.

 

[Ozwest]

The first settlers of America were those escaping Religious persecution.

What now?

Theocracy.

 

[Yooper Jo]

Bill in DC,
I agree totally. And I see you recommended KHouse, too. I find Chuck Missler's programs easy to understand and fascinating in how the dots are all connected. We also like Jon Courson's radio programs at http://www.joncourson.com/. I particularly liked his program on Habakkuk.
The just shall live by FAITH. :0)
Jo

 

[enjerth]

Does the president or any of our politicians serve on the front line?

Your reply is knee-jerk and defensive.

Of course it was defensive, because your comment was offensive.

But I will take the offensive now.

There is a vast difference between what we do (as pro-life supporters) and what you propose. If we are to have any part in the government, we will see that our interest are served, and our interests include not condoning the extermination of innocent human life. I am not politically involved in Iraq and I don't care to be.

It's an issue of principle, that we should not allow this blood to be spilled under our authority. This IS a republic, and those that we elect are elected by the consent of the people, on that same authority. It is our choice and our right to stand firm in the decision not to allow this blood to be on our hands.

Balk as you may, but you have no convincing argument to tell me I should support a "better" candidate when they are pro-choice. It is my opinion that they have already given up the most important and foundational principle in this great nation. In a truly free society, the ONLY job for the government is to protect the weak from oppression, and the unborn constitute the weak.

Can you show me any candidate who is for abortion rights, yet otherwise a worthy candidate? If not, then your former attack is entirely worthless.

 

[enjerth]

As a Ron Paul supporter from the start.

He ain't no fucking Republican!

And...

The Republican Party has only sought to exclude him.

Please tell me I'm wrong.

Your attacks are aimed at Ron Paul supporters here.

Please tell me I'm wrong.

 

[enjerth]

As an atheist, I have nothing against religion. My family is highly religious. I respect the many good works of religion.
I would die protecting your right to practice your faith.

But...

Could you stop electing dim-wits based on stupid shit?

Please remember the Seperation of Church and State.

Does that mean you support... Obama?

Or you refuse to acknowledge that the people are, for the most part, choosing between two evils?

The primaries had little to do with abortion rights, because except for Giuliani, all the Republican candidates were pro-life. So your arguments do not apply to the primary elections.

 

[enjerth]

The first settlers of America were those escaping Religious persecution.

What now?

Theocracy.

Please explain how pro-life libertarians (which for the most part are the people you're addressing here) are going to usher in a Theocracy.

 

[Ozwest]

Your attacks are aimed at Ron Paul supporters here.

Please tell me I'm wrong.

I attack no-one. If you want to create distinctions that is your prerogative.

I am not a Republican, or Democrat.

When Ron Paul endorses either McCain or Obama I'll lose faith in him.

Something tells me...

That ain't gonna happen.

 

[cheapseats]

To all the haters, I am not claiming to be an expert at anything; just learning for MYSELF. I could care less if you want to belittle me. I have been around a long time. Been there, done that, WON'T go back there. Jbrace asked a specific question about what signs are in the bible and how they correlate to now, not whether or not you believe (or want to make fun). SO...do you have any signs/correlations? If not, could you please stop hijacking the thread so those who are interested don't have to wade through all your posts?

I don't jump in the middle of agnostic or atheist threads or any other for that matter and belittle/ridicule people's belief system. This thread assumes that the reader is a believer or at least curious and is here to participate in grown up discussion of the scriptures. I'm not here to shove anything down any one's throat and I would appreciate others not doing the same to me.

So if you don't have anything nice to say, shut your cake hole or go eat cake.

I am not a hater, and I have also been around awhile.

The points you make would be right in ordinary times, but these are not ordinary times. Part of the reason these are extraordinary times bears on fundamentalist-read-that-extremist religiosity. It has no place in governance, on either side of the Atlantic.

What does that mean, you don't jump in the middle of an agnostic thread?

"I just don't know if God exists...there's so much evidence to the contrary."

"Yeah, me neither...this is hard."

"It really is...guess we just do the best we can 'cause it's the right thing to do, and if there IS an afterlife, we'll not be sorry."

"Pretty much."

You don't hop in the middle of that and cast aspersions or hijack it? Criticize what? Hijack it where?

Holy Rollers have been unduly influential in American affairs as surely as Israel has been unduly influential in American affairs.

Libertarians are not the only ones trying to awaken the citizenry. Education, education is a battle cry. Part of that education, speaking of End Of Times, shall be reacquaintance with the historical dangers of a prominent Clerical Class.

Spanish Inquisition, anyone?

I will exit this thread but not this argument. Do you see how you declare the topic of the End Of Times off limits to all but those who tow precisely your line? The Renaissance popes sold Forgiveness. A belief system that does not bear up under scrutiny seems scarcely worth holding, but that is each person's affair unto himself UNLESS, I am come full circle, Believers endeavor to prescribe and proscribe unto all of society according to their personal beliefs.

I purposefully listened to Holy Roller radio for about eight weeks. I am here to testify that certain of our Clerics are filling the air waves and the citizens' heads with some dangerous and oh-by-the-way-profitable claptrap interpretations of Scripture.