Bible and the end of times..

Hurricane Bruiser said:
Absolutely not true. You obviously have not read the Bible much.

As to the general question, I would say that we are fast approaching the time of the end. The signs are pointing more and more to the soon coming of Christ. Much of the Bible has to be looked at both literally and figuratively as certain figures represent real literal things. Such as a beast always represents a kingdom. A woman generally represents either God's Church or a counterfeit religion.

The battle of armegedden is more a spiritual battle than a physical one.

Here are some things I look to see happen before Christ comes again.

1. A national Sunday law shall be passed (God never changed the Sabbath from Saturday)
2. The pope shall be looked to more and more for spiritual guidance.
3. Church and State shall unite more than it is already
4. Religious persecution within the United States shall arise against those who do not follow the leadership.
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Also look for the mark of the beast. The beast meaning the world's financial system.
The mark may be a small bar code place on a person's body. It will be used for indentity and to make transactions. Without you will not be able to buy or sell anything. They already have the technology. They can make recievers that can scan a bar code up to 200 yards. They are trying to expand the distance of the technology to able to use it from orbit via radio waves.

They will be asking for a cashless society and use fears of Identity theft to help push it on the sheeple.

A second beast mentioned in the Bible is a two horned lamb (or Ram). The beast here also is not an animal but symbolic of something else. One horn on the beast represents the United Sates. The other horn represents England. The body of the lamb represents Christianity (Jesus is refered as the lamb in the bible) because the U.S. and England are supposedly 'Christian Nations'. The false prophet is suppose to be Christian poser.
 
tonesforjonesbones said:
Why do the atheists bother to come to the Christian threads? MOVE ALONG. God most certainly did get rid of the Sabbath...He got rid of all Jewish Law. If you read Galatians...that was the Christian Declaration of Independence ffrom the law. It specifically says the law was overturned by the blood of Jesus on the Cross. Even the 10 Commandments. We are now saved by the Holy Spirit...not the law. The whole reason St. Paul wrote the letter to the Galations was because some of the jewish brothers who were preaching the gospel were trying to insert the law into the gospel...circumcision and kosher laws...and Paul said..NO WAY...that's all over now. St. Paul made it clear..or Jesus made it clear through Paul, that His blood gave the people of the earth freedom and liberty from the Law. Please Read Galations. tones
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Ummm, no. Jewish Law still applies to Jews that do not believe in Christ.
 
Havax said:
There is not a shred of evidence for the existence of a god.
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That's evidence enough for me. :D
 
Join The Paul Side said:
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That's evidence enough for me. :D
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All I see is evidense that people were making good use of photoshop ideas on canvases years ago.

Most of us call those things paintings.

I can draw you up a picture of spahgetti. Heck I can even make you a meal of it. Yet that is still not enough evidence for me that the Spahgetti Monster is indeed real.

The shroud of Turin is proof of nothing.
 
Bman said:
All I see is evidense that people were making good use of photoshop ideas on canvases years ago.

Most of us call those things paintings.

I can draw you up a picture of spahgetti. Heck I can even make you a meal of it. Yet that is still not enough evidence for me that the Spahgetti Monster is indeed real.

The shroud of Turin is proof of nothing.
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If you say so. Anything that helps you sleep at night. ;)

You have your beliefs and I respect that. :)
 
I just got off work and this thread got interesting. Most of this stuff I've heard before, but what book of the bible would you guys recommend? King James version just doesn't seem good to me. Didn't King James break away from the church so he could re-marry? What are you guys views on the Torah? Aren't the Jews people of God?


Also, I've noticed that some Atheist on this thread that don't believe in God. I used to be like that but the argument for no god doesn't seem plausible to me. Something can't come from nothing. I think a lot of people get turned off by Christianity because they seem the corruptness that goes on etc. One big problem I have with it is the different views that people held and to them thats how it is. Also, I feel like a lot of people believe in what they hear and don't read the book themselves, and also they seem to accept things for what they're and never ask why or try to expand. I for one don't take the bible completely literally, but I do believe in something greater than us. If you look at Plato's writing he was writing about things in the bible. For instance, turning the other cheek is mentions in Plato's dialogues. Plato was before Jesus Christ. When Plato was being prosecuted for not believing in God's his argument was that it was the voice of God that was telling him to awaken the Athenian citizens so how could he be prosecuted for not believing in a god. He was following a divine voice much like the writers of the bible were.
 
Havax said:
There is not a shred of evidence for the existence of a god.
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What evidence would you consider valid? It would have to be repeatable I supppose - which implies deterministic. It would have to be observable by the senses, which would imply that it is physical -- e.g. it emits photons, exerts electromagnetic force, causes sound waves, etc.

I'm guessing any deterministic, physical phenomena would be classified by you as natural, no? Do not your assumptions preclude you from ever finding anything that qualifies as evidence for the supernatural, before you make any observation whatsoever?

How about this: I observe the nature of my own mind, apart from senses, and therein find evidence for God. If you are not willing to consider this, justify the a-priori assumption that our physical senses can be trusted, but observations regarding the nature of one's own mind should not qualify as valid evidence (i.e. the assumption that evidence must be observable through the senses, repeatable, etc., to be admissible).
 
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faith is belief in that which cannot be proven.

"I believe, God help my unbelief." St Augustine

For those with faith, no explanation is needed, for those without, none is possible.
 
jbrace said:
I just got off work and this thread got interesting. Most of this stuff I've heard before, but what book of the bible would you guys recommend? King James version just doesn't seem good to me.
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There are lots of good translations out there, if you don't like all the "Thees" and "Thous", I'd give NIV a shot. John would be a good book to try for starters, IMO, or any other gospel, or Romans. Anything in the New Testament really (the old testament can be kind of dry, I'd hate to land in the middle of Leviticus or something). Just my heavily devalued 2c.
 
Hurricane Bruiser said:
1. A national Sunday law shall be passed (God never changed the Sabbath from Saturday)
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Saturday was never the set day of Sabbath. The traditional day of Sabbath changes from year to year because it is based on the first day of the Abib solar calendar which starts on the Spring Equinox.
 
If anybody has doubts or questions about the Shroud of Turin (The burial cloth of Christ) you may like these vids. They go into detail and give perspectives from both Christian and Atheist scholars and scientists. :)

http://video.google.com/videosearch...jesus: the evidence&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv&start=10

http://video.google.com/videosearch...jesus: the evidence&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv&start=10

http://video.google.com/videosearch...jesus: the evidence&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv&start=20

http://video.google.com/videosearch...jesus: the evidence&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv&start=20


Enjoy everybody :D
 
misericordia said:
For those with faith, no explanation is needed
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Sounds like a good way to get people to commit mass muder or mass suicide. People need to be more skeptical. Ideas like this lead to George W. Bush Jr getting elected. The Iraq war. Etc...

If you're going to ask for a leap of faith you better damn well have an explanation. Because, that leap may be over the edge of a cliff.
 
Bman said:
Sounds like a good way to get people to commit mass muder or mass suicide. People need to be more skeptical. Ideas like this lead to George W. Bush Jr getting elected. The Iraq war. Etc...

If you're going to ask for a leap of faith you better damn well have an explanation. Because, that leap may be over the edge of a cliff.
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I agree with Bman, and disagree with the quote. Faith is no replacement for reason. Proper faith, rather, is based upon reason. It is the action of taking risks, relying upon what one believes to be true.

Here's a decent analogy, IMO:

Suppose one checks a plane's maintenance log, looks at its design, and rationally concludes that it is airworthy. If one allows a fear of flying to nevertheless prevent one from boarding, one lacks faith. Faith would mean trusting in one's conclusion enough to overcome that fear.

If one sees a faulty design and negligent maintenance record, but boards the plane anyway, that's not faith, it's stupidity.
 
Bman and Tremedousy,

faith is what you do not what you say.
I talk the talk but do not walk the walk. so i will shut up now. :)

When questioned what the greatest commandment is, Jesus is portrayed by the Gospels of Mark (12:28–34) and of Matthew (22:34-40) as stating that the first two commandments, and the greatest, are

1. One should love Yahweh with one's entire heart, soul, mind, and strength
2. One should love one's neighbour as one would love oneself

Though it isn't clear what commandment refers to, the latter part of the first of these two is a quotation from the Ritual Decalogue in Deuteronomy. The second, however, does not appear as one of either set of Ten Commandments, instead appearing in the Holiness Code (at Leviticus 19:18), and therefore it is likely that commandment is a reference to the 613 mitzvot of Jewish law.
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