Benton: Holding his nose next two years to support Rand in 16

[FreedomFighter1776]

Dennis Fusaro is definitely part of the Liberty movement, don't think for a moment that he isn't.

I'll vouch for Dennis.

 

[eduardo89]

By the way, isn't it illegal for someone to record a phone call, if the other party hasn't agreed to it?

Only in California, Connecticut, Florida, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana (requires notification only), Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Washington.

It's legal in all other states as long as one party consents.

 

[jtstellar]

Dennis Fusaro is definitely part of the Liberty movement, don't think for a moment that he isn't.

I'll vouch for Dennis.

then that movement is fucking corrupted and needs purging and our movement has nothing to do with that movement

not sure how much bill kristol paid fusaro to make rand lose all credibility with future gop leaders he wants to work with, this following immediately after neocon's concerted assault on jack hunter, what pure chances from an innocently hearted dennis "a nobody vouches for" fusaro. this attempt to make people hesitate to invite paul people into their circles will impede rand's progress in swaying other mainstream republicans and have incalculable ripple effects. hope the 30 pieces were worth it. your tiny traitor's 'movement' exists only on the fringes inside you and fusaro's head with wenzel being the co-conspirator.

you have a "LIBERTARIAN" blog follow up attack on rand paul's aides, first against jack hunter, two weeks after the attack from neocon site washington free beacon subsided, one week used up by christie to launch his attack.. in perfectly synchronized timing, and fusaro is supposedly doing this all from his innocent heart of hearts, at the height of rand's popularity, never caring before. you idiots being led by a leash and used like retards defending someone like wenzel whom you've never even met just makes people want to laugh.. you should just drop out of politics altogether

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

then that movement is fucking corrupted and needs purging and our movement has nothing to do with that movement

not sure how much bill kristol paid fusaro to make rand lose all credibility with future gop leaders he wants to work with, this following immediately after neocon's concerted assault on jack hunter, what pure chances from an innocently hearted dennis "a nobody vouches for" fusaro. this attempt to make people hesitate to invite paul people into their circles will impede rand's progress in swaying other mainstream republicans and have incalculable ripple effects. hope the 30 pieces were worth it. your 'movement' exists inside only your head, traitors

The last thing the neocons want is for Mitch McConnell's campaign manager to be disgraced. Your little crackpot theory makes no sense. The traitor getting the 30 pieces of silver is Jesse Benton and now he's getting exposed for it. People like you can pray for Mitch McConnell's political career, but the people who really stand for liberty will continue to rag on him and his pathetic boob of a campaign manager.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Dennis Fusaro is definitely part of the Liberty movement, don't think for a moment that he isn't.

I'll vouch for Dennis.

I don't know you.

But, I *do* see what Dennis has been up to. His actions speak louder than your words.

 

[LibertyEagle]

The last thing the neocons want is for Mitch McConnell's campaign manager to be disgraced. Your little crackpot theory makes no sense. The traitor getting the 30 pieces of silver is Jesse Benton and now he's getting exposed for it. People like you can pray for Mitch McConnell's political career, but the people who really stand for liberty will continue to rag on him and his pathetic boob of a campaign manager.

You are unable to see through your hatred of Benton.

 

[RickyJ]

That's obviously not why Mitch hired Jesse.

Do you know why Mitch hired Benton?

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

You are unable to see through your hatred of Benton.

I just see that he's terrible, and I hope the politician he works for is thrown out of office as all liberty people should. Lots of people are drinking the 'Paul Campaign' kool-aid and refuse to admit that they've made a big mistake putting Benton into positions of power.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I just see that he's terrible, and I hope the politician he works for is thrown out of office as all liberty people should. Lots of people are drinking the 'Paul Campaign' kool-aid and refuse to admit that they've made a big mistake putting Benton into positions of power.

It's not up to you to decide. It's up to the candidates. Both Ron and Rand chose to use him and I'll bet you that he will be used in future campaigns. The reality is that we don't know Benton. Not really. We saw him when he first got into politics in Ron's first campaign and he was less than wonderful. But, he has learned a lot since then. Personally, I don't think he's ready for prime time campaigns, but the Paul's apparently disagree and they know him one hell of a lot better than I do or you do.

Fact is, a number of people in this movement have used Benton as a whipping boy. Because they didn't want to blame Ron for some of the things that happened in his campaign. And it is still happening today.

 

[LibertyEagle]

then that movement is fucking corrupted and needs purging and our movement has nothing to do with that movement

not sure how much bill kristol paid fusaro to make rand lose all credibility with future gop leaders he wants to work with, this following immediately after neocon's concerted assault on jack hunter, what pure chances from an innocently hearted dennis "a nobody vouches for" fusaro. this attempt to make people hesitate to invite paul people into their circles will impede rand's progress in swaying other mainstream republicans and have incalculable ripple effects. hope the 30 pieces were worth it. your tiny traitor's 'movement' exists only on the fringes inside you and fusaro's head with wenzel being the co-conspirator.

you have a "LIBERTARIAN" blog follow up attack on rand paul's aides, first against jack hunter, two weeks after the attack from neocon site washington free beacon subsided, one week used up by christie to launch his attack.. in perfectly synchronized timing, and fusaro is supposedly doing this all from his innocent heart of hearts, at the height of rand's popularity, never caring before. you idiots being led by a leash and used like retards defending someone like wenzel whom you've never even met just makes people want to laugh.. you should just drop out of politics altogether

I agree. I don't understand why others here can't see this too.

 

[FreedomFighter1776]

If the allegations against Benton are true, and I think they very well may be, then suggesting that Dennis is wrong is saying that you don't mind if politicians are bought and paid for - as long as you THINK that they MIGHT be on your side.

That, my friends, is a pretty accurate definition of corrupt.

By the way, JTStellar and LibertyEagle, this is me: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?366282-How-one-man-won-Warren-Co-VA-for-Ron-Paul
Dennis Fusaro had more to do with those numbers than I did. Dr. Manion just never met him.

 

[mosquitobite]

It's not up to you to decide. It's up to the candidates. Both Ron and Rand chose to use him and I'll bet you that he will be used in future campaigns. The reality is that we don't know Benton. Not really. We saw him when he first got into politics in Ron's first campaign and he was less than wonderful. But, he has learned a lot since then. Personally, I don't think he's ready for prime time campaigns, but the Paul's apparently disagree and they know him one hell of a lot better than I do or you do.

Fact is, a number of people in this movement have used Benton as a whipping boy. Because they didn't want to blame Ron for some of the things that happened in his campaign. And it is still happening today.

I have no problem blaming Dr Paul for his hiring and big salary for Benton. In fact, when people ask me if I have any beef at all with Ron Paul (usually in the context of calling me a Paultard) I do say, yes in fact I do. I think he knows not to trust the snakes in Washington DC but he trusts snakes to get way too close to him in his personal life. (This is also the case with the newsletters)

 

[PatriotOne]

Looks like the only career being hurt by Fusaro is his own. Who would trust Fusaro after this? Dumbshit.

 

[radiofriendly]

Here's my rant that I should have kept to myself on the DailyPaul post about this:

I want to respond to this from Huskier down below...How did Ron Paul hinder the RP campaign?

"By creating a barrier between the grassroots and RP. Essentially ostracizing the grass roots and many influential free thinking allies...And the decision to quit campaigning when it was amassing so much momentum..."

For those of you who want to run campaigns or be involved in "successful" campaigns:
That was probably Jesse's job to "create a barrier between grassroots and RP." Maybe that's what was needed to a certain degree. This won't be popular here, but it is at least partly true. I traveled w/ the grassroots for the '08 and '12 campaigns.
Free thinking allies? My website is endorsed by Tom Woods, but I'm not afraid to point out that Tom Woods, is not a political operative--thank goodness. I don't know him personally--although I've spoken in private with him--but there is nothing I know of in his background that would suggest that he would excel at running a political campaign.

It's very easy here to get confused between the tactical mission of a campaign--which, many here don't even believe in because they are anarcho--and the philosophical/educational debates that we all love. Bless your hearts, but campaigning is boring and simply involves phone banking answering some objections and compiling a list of people who are likely voters---then trying to activate them to vote in the final week. THAT'S ALL. Passing out flyers about pot and the Federal Reserve may have made some of you guys happy, but it likely lost more votes for Ron Paul than it gained. (Don't try to rationalize this using your limited social circle--statistically, there are only a small group of people who are likely to vote in a Republican primary and only .001% of them know about the Daily Paul or Austrian economics.

I don't know if Jesse Benton is an ass. Who cares? Ron Paul thinks he did his job, at the time, well. That's enough for me because I don't have some pipe dream idea of what a political campaign is. You guys, Ron Paul came in 2nd in New Hampshire--that was amazing given the odds stacked against us. All of this hand wringing is crying over spilt milk...from a long time ago.

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/3163078

 

[jbauer]

Jesse Benton wants to work for Rand Paul 2016?! After what happened with Ron Paul 2012?!

I can tell you this. If Benton is on staff with Rand's 16 run. Count me out for donations. I'll spend my money locally trying to promote the cause of liberty rather then give it to such a dishonest schmuck that Benton is.

 

[cajuncocoa]

That almost makes them seem kinda likable. Good play.

No one is all bad, all the time. It's a funny pic, but doesn't change my mind about either of them.

 

[SilentBull]

I don't know much about Fusaro and why someone in the liberty movement would release something like this. My only comment here is to point out how obvious it should have been to everyone that Jesse was doing this in order to help Rand in 2016. But the knee-jerkers on this forum who have no long-term vision are so quick to jump all over people who are trying to change things by working within the party. I haven't made up my mind about Benton and I'm sure he has his problems. He may not even be any good at what he does. I don't know, but the number of people that said he was selling out by getting closer to the minority leader...it's disturbing. It's called strategy. It's called "co-opting". We have the opportunity to do the co-opting for once. I'm not in the movement because it's my damn hobby to be a rebel and just show the world how they are idiots and I'm smart. I'm in the movement because I want things to actually change. And we do that by co-opting the party and not calling people names that are trying to do just that.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I have no problem blaming Dr Paul for his hiring and big salary for Benton. In fact, when people ask me if I have any beef at all with Ron Paul (usually in the context of calling me a Paultard) I do say, yes in fact I do. I think he knows not to trust the snakes in Washington DC but he trusts snakes to get way too close to him in his personal life. (This is also the case with the newsletters)

Benton didn't make a big salary. That's a fallacy.

 

[ronaldo23]

I know! If I hadn't directly seen McConnell's arrogance and disregard for constituents, I'd think he looked like a pretty decent chap right there. He definitely lives up to his reputation as a master politician...

This. Say what you will about the policies and terribleness of McConnell and Harry Reid, but they are truly brilliant politicians who know how to play the game. When I watch shows like House of Cards, these are the guys I most think of who are like Frank Underwood (minus the charisma of Spacey)

 

[jtstellar]

Here's my rant that I should have kept to myself on the DailyPaul post about this:

I want to respond to this from Huskier down below...How did Ron Paul hinder the RP campaign?

"By creating a barrier between the grassroots and RP. Essentially ostracizing the grass roots and many influential free thinking allies...And the decision to quit campaigning when it was amassing so much momentum..."

For those of you who want to run campaigns or be involved in "successful" campaigns:
That was probably Jesse's job to "create a barrier between grassroots and RP." Maybe that's what was needed to a certain degree. This won't be popular here, but it is at least partly true. I traveled w/ the grassroots for the '08 and '12 campaigns.
Free thinking allies? My website is endorsed by Tom Woods, but I'm not afraid to point out that Tom Woods, is not a political operative--thank goodness. I don't know him personally--although I've spoken in private with him--but there is nothing I know of in his background that would suggest that he would excel at running a political campaign.

It's very easy here to get confused between the tactical mission of a campaign--which, many here don't even believe in because they are anarcho--and the philosophical/educational debates that we all love. Bless your hearts, but campaigning is boring and simply involves phone banking answering some objections and compiling a list of people who are likely voters---then trying to activate them to vote in the final week. THAT'S ALL. Passing out flyers about pot and the Federal Reserve may have made some of you guys happy, but it likely lost more votes for Ron Paul than it gained. (Don't try to rationalize this using your limited social circle--statistically, there are only a small group of people who are likely to vote in a Republican primary and only .001% of them know about the Daily Paul or Austrian economics.

I don't know if Jesse Benton is an ass. Who cares? Ron Paul thinks he did his job, at the time, well. That's enough for me because I don't have some pipe dream idea of what a political campaign is. You guys, Ron Paul came in 2nd in New Hampshire--that was amazing given the odds stacked against us. All of this hand wringing is crying over spilt milk...from a long time ago.

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/3163078

i wish ron paul had attracted just 1 more edward snowden at this movement's outset instead of these ~two dozen guys self aggrandized as the 'elders' of this movement yapping at dailypaul. their first instinct to any criticism "the movement won't be here if it weren't for us!" bullshit