Based on Hersh article, Obama lied about Osama

[Brian4Liberty]

The Killing of Osama bin Laden: Seymour M. Hersh’s Most Important Article

Michael S. Rozeff

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blo...aden-seymour-m-hershs-most-important-article/

10. Zero Dark Thirty is fiction.

Understatement of the year. Hollywood rarely makes a "historical" or "based on a true story" movie that isn't severely twisted or divorced from reality.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

It's very doubtful that Seymour Hersh has the story entirely correct, but it's very possible that it is more accurate than the story from the serial liar Obama.

Riddle me this: The Obama administration and torture advocates claimed that information from torture and interrogations led to finding Bin Laden. Yet instead of capturing Bin Laden so that they could interrogate him for years, as they have done with so many people, he was killed on sight. Was there no information they could get from Bin Laden? Why kill him? Why not capture him and question him?

 

[ctiger2]

But I thought Col Tim Osman died in Dec 2001 from kidney failure? With my tinfoil hat firmly on, I'd wager someone just wanted to collect the $25M Bin Laden reward so they set someone up to do it.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

It's very doubtful that Seymour Hersh has the story entirely correct, but it's very possible that it is more accurate than the story from the serial liar Obama.

Riddle me this: The Obama administration and torture advocates claimed that information from torture and interrogations led to finding Bin Laden. Yet instead of capturing Bin Laden so that they could interrogate him for years, as they have done with so many people, he was killed on sight. Was there no information they could get from Bin Laden? Why kill him? Why not capture him and question him?

Very good questions.

 

[jonhowe]

NBC has confirmed some key elements of Hirsch's expose. Very interesting:

http://mashable.com/2015/05/11/bin-laden-seymour-hersh-story/

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pakistanis-knew-where-bin-laden-was-say-us-sources-n357306

 

[Peace Piper]

You won't see any of this on MSNBC, Fox or CNN

"A witness account of bin Laden's death"
Jahangir Kahn lived in the neighborhood



The Manning report- BBC: Osama raid a fake



Bhutto: Osama was murdered. BBC Censored, then apologized



Obama's SEAL Team 6 Coverup - Explosive Paul Craig Roberts Interview
The video of the Pakistani Roberts talks about has been removed



CCTV- Abbottabad residents: Operation of killing Bin Laden a hoax

 

[DFF]

dp

 

[DFF]

This article by Hersh is bullshit about bullshit.

There was no Seal Team raid in 2011. The entire operation was fabricated to help Obama get reelected.

Osama Bin Laden was either killed in Tora Bora in 2001 by US airstrikes. Or as Benazir Bhutto stated right before she was assassinated, was murdered by Omar Sheik.

 

[politics]

torture advocates claimed that information from torture and interrogations led to finding Bin Laden.

This is what I find the most important issue.
Because that helped to justify to the public opinion, one of the most controversial practices of our time, to say the least.

 

[donnay]

Libs..who loved Hersch when he was investigating Abu Graib are now turning on him because of this article.

No shock there. Everybody is in CYA mode. Obama's approval ratings were so low he needed something big to help...they choose to roll out the already dead Osama Bin Laden to help.

There is enough information out there proving Osama Bin Laden died in December 2001. He died of Marfan's Syndrome.

References:
Top US Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag
Why 'Osama Bin Laden Dead' is a Government Lie
Osama bin Laden Dead Since 2001?

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ekAxAAAAIBAJ&sjid=kQ4EAAAAIBAJ&dq=&pg=5240,657115&hl=en

 

[politics]

The New York Times Magazine published a very interesting article that acknowledges some veracity to Hersh's article.


The Detail in Seymour Hersh’s Bin Laden Story That Rings True
By CARLOTTA GALLMAY 12, 2015

...On this count, my own reporting tracks with Hersh’s. Beginning in 2001, I spent nearly 12 years covering Pakistan and Afghanistan for The Times. (In his article, Hersh cites an article I wrote for The Times Magazine last year, an excerpt from a book drawn from this reporting.) The story of the Pakistani informer was circulating in the rumor mill within days of the Abbottabad raid, but at the time, no one could or would corroborate the claim. Such is the difficulty of reporting on covert operations and intelligence matters; there are no official documents to draw on, few officials who will talk and few ways to check the details they give you when they do.

Two years later, when I was researching my book, I learned from a high-level member of the Pakistani intelligence service that the ISI had been hiding Bin Laden and ran a desk specifically to handle him as an intelligence asset. After the book came out, I learned more: that it was indeed a Pakistani Army brigadier — all the senior officers of the ISI are in the military — who told the C.I.A. where Bin Laden was hiding, and that Bin Laden was living there with the knowledge and protection of the ISI...

...I do not recall ever corresponding with Hersh, but he is following up on a story that many of us assembled parts of. The former C.I.A. officer Larry Johnson aired the theory of the informant — credited to “friends who are still active” — on his blog within days of the raid. And Hersh appears to have succeeded in getting both American and Pakistani sources to corroborate it. His sources remain anonymous, but other outlets such as NBC News have since come forward with similar accounts. Finally, the Pakistani daily newspaper The News reported Tuesday that Pakistani intelligence officials have conceded that it was indeed a walk-in who provided the information on Bin Laden.

 

[wizardwatson]

You guys are going to make him mad. He's already dealing with being called a sexist.

As Tyler said,

This discussion......

IS OVER!

 

[enhanced_deficit]

10. Zero Dark Thirty is fiction.

Incidentally, father of Megan Ellison, who financed and produced that fiction, the richest Jewish billioniare Larry Ellison has endorsed war lobby's favorite candidate Rubio.

Oracle's Larry Ellison to host fundraiser for Rubio
5/13/15 9:56 AM EDT

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/larry-ellison-marco-rubio-fundraiser-117895.html
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[teaparty]

Obama lied about Bin Laden

Obama lied about Bin Laden

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

I think this last vote was just a vote whether to fast-track the debate as to whether to give fast-track authority to the White House to negotiate a "trade" deal to be voted on later by Congress without amendments.

 

[charrob]

Sy Hersh’s bin Laden Story First Reported in 2011 — With Seemingly Different Sources

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Sy Hersh’s bin Laden Story First Reported in 2011 — With Seemingly Different Sources[/size]

R.J. Hillhouse, a former professor, Fulbright fellow and novelist whose writing on intelligence and military outsourcing has appeared in the Washington Post and New York Times, made the same main assertions in 2011 about the death of Osama bin Laden as Seymour Hersh’s new story in the London Review of Books — apparently based on different sources than those used by Hersh.

Bin Laden was killed by Navy SEALs on May 2, 2011. Three months later, on August 7, Hillhouse posted a story on her blog “The Spy Who Billed Me” stating that (1) the U.S. did not learn about bin Laden’s location from tracking an al Qaeda courier, but from a member of the Pakistani intelligence service who wanted to collect the $25 million reward the U.S. had offered for bin Laden; (2) Saudi Arabia was paying Pakistan to keep bin Laden under the equivalent of house arrest; (3) Pakistan was pressured by the U.S. to stand down its military to allow the U.S. raid to proceed unhindered; and (4) the U.S. had planned to claim that bin Laden had been killed in a drone strike in the border regions of Afghanistan and Pakistan, but was forced to abandon this when one of the Navy SEAL helicopters crashed.

Hersh’s article makes the same key claims about the bin Laden raid, with this description of his sources:

The major US source for the account that follows is a retired senior intelligence official who was knowledgeable about the initial intelligence about bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad. He also was privy to many aspects of the Seals’ training for the raid, and to the various after-action reports. Two other US sources, who had access to corroborating information, have been longtime consultants to the Special Operations Command.​

Hillhouse’s post states that her information came from “Sources in the intelligence community.” In interviews today via telephone and email, she explained that the passage by Hersh “suggests that we did not share sources” because “to the best of my knowledge, my sources were not privy to aspects of the SEAL’s training raid … and they also did not consult for SOC.” In addition, Hillhouse said, “I would be shocked if … my sources would talk to [Hersh], given their politics and given the sensitivity that the administration had toward this story.”

Hillhouse wrote another post on August 11, 2011 with more detail, and her story was picked up by numerous papers outside the U.S., such as the New Zealand Herald.

At that point, according to Hillhouse, “my understanding was there was great concern with the security guys … Everything that I’ve written on national intelligence, [that] was the first time I ever had a [former] senior member of the intelligence community signal me to basically go black … I’ve never been waved off like I was signaled to [then].” Because of this, Hillhouse says, she destroyed her notes from her conversations with her sources.

Hillhouse also claims that one of her sources told her a particular detail that she did not include in 2011 because she could not confirm it: that the Navy SEALs threw bin Laden’s body out of the helicopter while traveling over the Hindu Kush mountains from Pakistan to Afghanistan. Hersh’s story includes an assertion from his main source that “during the helicopter flight back to Jalalabad, some body parts were tossed out over the Hindu Kush mountains.” While this seems bizarre in retrospect, it would be plausible if the SEALs had believed at the time that the Obama administration planned to say publicly that bin Laden had been killed in a drone strike.

Hillhouse believes that “Everything that [Hersh] has said has been spot on” but “You can’t help but notice that everything he is saying in the story, which is true, was first broken by me.”

 

[twomp]

Obama lied about Bin Laden

 

[Brian4Liberty]

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Sy Hersh’s bin Laden Story First Reported in 2011 — With Seemingly Different Sources[/size]

Wow, that really backs up the Hersh story if true.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

From 2011...the original blog that is the same as the Hersh scenario:

August 07, 2011
Bin Laden Turned in by Informant -- Courier Was Cover Story
R J Hillhouse

Forget the cover story of waterboarding-leads-to-courier-leads-to bin Laden (not to deny the effectiveness of waterboarding, but it’s just not applicable in this case.) Sources in the intelligence community tell me that after years of trying and one bureaucratically insane near-miss in Yemen, the US government killed OBL because a Pakistani intelligence officer came forward to collect the approximately $25 million reward from the State Department's Rewards for Justice program.

The informant was a walk-in.

The ISI officer came forward to claim the substantial reward and to broker US citizenship for his family. My sources tell me that the informant claimed that the Saudis were paying off the Pakistani military and intelligence (ISI) to essentially shelter and keep bin Laden under house arrest in Abbottabad, a city with such a high concentration of military that I'm told there's no equivalent in the US.

The CIA and friends then set about proving that OBL was indeed there. And they did.

Next they approached the chiefs of the Pakistani military and the ISI. The US was going to come in with or without them. The CIA offered them a deal they couldn't refuse: they would double what the Saudis were paying them to keep bin Laden if they cooperated with the US. Or they could refuse the deal and live with the consequences: the Saudis would stop paying and there would be the international embarassment...

The ISI and Pakistani military were cooperating with the US on the raid.

The cooperation was why there were no troops in Abottabad. They were all pulled out. It had always seemed very far-fetched to me that a helicopter could crash and later destroyed in an area with such high military concentration without the Pakistanis noticing. But then it seemed even wilder to believe that a US Navy SEAL (DEVGRU) actually shot a woman who rushed them in the leg. Yeah, right. I know these guys. They only way they'll shoot a woman in the leg is if they are double tapping a head or chest and that leg got in the way.

DEVGRU shoots to kill.

The cover story was going to be a drone strike in Pakistan. Things went south when the helicopter crashed. The White House freaked and the cooperating Pakistanis were thrown under the bus.

Splat.

Although the White House really pissed off the intel and DEVGRU guys with their knee-jerk reaction that tossed the Pakistanis under the proverbial bus, ironically it did have the same outcome as the original CIA cover story: the way they were treated, no one believes Generals Kiyani and Pasha were cooperating with the US.

Big shaka for that, Barry!
...
http://www.thespywhobilledme.com/th...-in-by-informant-courier-was-cover-story.html

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Hersh gives a summary: