Ban Guns

[heavenlyboy34]

troll banned

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[Pericles]

Here is a good read on the subject. May have been posted in the past, but I'm new, so bear with me

http://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.com/2007/03/23/why-the-gun-is-civilization/

Worth reading again in any case +rep.

 

[angelatc]

It is appealing on that side. I was followed down the street by guy with a gun in his hand near the Broad of Trade Building in Chicago.

Ironically, guns are already illegal in Chicago.

 

[Voluntary Man]

How about just get rid of the police? We were just fine when we had marshals, constables, sheriffs, and their posses. I believe that everyone has equal rights to carry a firearm... apparently, the Constitution also agrees.

You're preachin' to the choir.


But, as long as we have then, I'd like them disarmed, tazers and all. Disarmed police are more respectful and circumspect.

 

[NoOneButPaul]

Guns at least keep the government aware of the fact that they'll suffer tons of casualties if they ever try to control us.

People assume rednecks would just charge at the White House or something when in reality Americans would probably fight like guerrilla's because it would be the only real way to survive against the American Military, and if there's one thing our Military isn't great at it's fighting guerrilla's on their own land.

People also assume that the entire US Military would be on the side of the government and there wouldn't be Generals who would betray the fascist cause. Even if the government had the majority of the military I imagine they wouldn't get the entire military.

Another thing to consider is with the right amount of talented hackers all of those weapon's targeting systems could fail miserably. Our entire military is so dependent on using satellites that hacking them could cripple them.

There's always hope if the populace is armed but if it isn't there's no hope at all, period.

The 2nd amendment is a natural deterrent against tyranny, I believe all Americans should own guns and get used to firing them, loading them, cleaning them etc etc etc.

But I'm not proposing a law that requires everyone should, so I wish people on the other side of the argument would do the same with their own views.

Furthermore if the war on the drugs and prohibition have taught us anything about black markets its that so long as the demand exists the products will still get through the cracks.

If anything guns should be more readily available and the record keeping on all of them should be ****ing spotless, the key to stopping gun violence isn't to drive the guns into the black market. All that does is give criminals the guns and law abiding citizens their dick in their hands.

Not to mention...

Hitler
Mussolini
Stalin
Chavez
Mao Tse-Tung
and Castro

All disarmed their populations when coming to power, throughout history populace's that haven't been armed have been the ones who were controlled or taken over the easiest by dictators.

Our founding fathers understood this and it's a big reason why the 2nd amendment is the 2nd amendment and not the 10th.

As George Carlin said, "We don't have rights in this country we have privileges and the second the government wants to take those privileges away they will. There's no better example of this than the American Government putting Japanese Americans in internment camps during WWII."

Just when those people needed their rights the most they were thrown right out the ****ing window and they had none. Our government can take our privileges away whenever they damn well please, and the simple fact is before my death i'd rather take out as many of those fascist ****s as I could than to live in a country where I'm as free as a Jew in Nazi Germany.

It's not about winning or losing the battle, having an armed populace is about giving them the knowledge that it won't be easy to take over so they shouldn't even try.

 

[NoOneButPaul]

Not to mention the fact the cities and states with the strictest gun control are generally the ones with the highest crime rates.

Chicago and Washington DC have consistently been among the most Anti-Gun cities in America and they consistently have the highest murder rates. It's not a coincidence.

Quote:
In 2004, there were 11,344 firearm related murders in the United States. This is a significant number of deaths, but when removed from isolation, it shrinks in its shock value. There are approximately 193 million legally owned firearms in about 80 million U.S. households (Kleck, Gertz, 1998), making each individual firearm statistically unlikely to be used in a murder. Furthermore, according to research conducted by University of Florida Professors and Criminologists Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, (1998) privately owned firearms are used between 1.2 million and 2.2 million times per year to prevent crime in the United States (p. 18), significantly outweighing the perceived costs of private firearms ownership. Further logical deductions can be made regarding the true dispositions of using gun control as a crime deterrent. First and foremost, criminals, or people who break the law, don’t care if a gun is outlawed. Thus, even when guns are completely banned, criminals are still armed. Secondly, registration information is used by law enforcement to investigate crimes, and has rarely, if ever, been used to prevent crime. Thirdly, law enforcement is rarely able to prevent violent crime, but typically arrive after the criminal has left the scene. In the United States, the most significant reductions in violent crime have occurred in the states that have removed restrictions on civilian’s right to carry a handgun (Kleck, Gertz, 1998. p. 11).

 

[loveshiscountry]

Averaged over 50 posts per day for the 4 days it was here. I bet his Moms basement smells like vaseline and plastic.

 

[The Freethinker]

Guys, I think he's just trying to get a reaction out of us. We who believe in the 2nd Amendment will not agree what he says.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Averaged over 50 posts per day for the 4 days it was here. I bet his Moms basement smells like vaseline and plastic.

lolz!

 

[Flugel89]

That is nonsense! See my other post on that.



Terrorists would not be deterred by people with handguns. Who would not use them against an organized gang. Look at the mass murders in the USA of school kids. An armed nation never stopped that. Get real. Being from India you must be aware of the UK and its laws.

Look at the countries that have banned guns. Great places to live - very safe. They have the freedom to walk down the street and not be threatened by people with firearms, private people or the state. This freedom is denied to many in countries like the USA. Americans need to get heir basic freedom back.



So two wrongs make a right then. Warped logic. Cars and guns are mutually exclusive.

Thanks for countering your own point. Of course mass shooting happen at schools. There's rarely if ever a single firearm being carried by a responsible person.

Try searching for any mass shootings at shooting ranges or gun dealers. They don't happen. An armed populace can respond and stop the threat before there is a large body count.

Gun control only negatively affects peacful citizens. The criminals -who don't care what the law says- have a guarantee that their victims are unarmed and are of no threat to them.

Do you REALLY think when the UK and Australia banned firearms that the criminals gave theirs up? The answer is no. If you actually did some reasearch instead of basing your positions off of pure misguided emotions you'd notice that every country that bans firearms experiences a subsequent explosion in crime rates, including crime using firearms.

Gun control is one of the largest, and most obvious of logical fallacies.

More guns = less crime. No exceptions.

Also, obvious troll is obvious. I'm just having fun feeding it.

 

[Pericles]

Averaged over 50 posts per day for the 4 days it was here. I bet his Moms basement smells like vaseline and plastic.

Was on the Dole.

 

[FrancisMarion]

That dude reminded me of Cleverbot.

 

[otherone]

Try searching for any mass shootings at shooting ranges or gun dealers.

What an awesome concept for a video game!

 

[tonypeck]

What do you say to those like Michael Savage who are saying people on anti depressants should not be able to buy guns?

 

[Pericles]

What do you say to those like Michael Savage who are saying people on anti depressants should not be able to buy guns?

It would seem difficult to be a free country, when other people can decide what rights you have.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Thomas Jefferson - "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."

 

[tonypeck]

I totally agree with all of you, but the argument Savage uses is the Gun Control Act of 1968 which denies guns to such people as felons and drug addicts

 

[Confederate]

troll banned

Apparently not...

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I totally agree with all of you, but the argument Savage uses is the Gun Control Act of 1968 which denies guns to such people as felons and drug addicts

I'd like to ask Savage why these things have basically stopped in Israel since they armed the teachers.

 

[Anti Federalist]

The "heat" is certainly on guns after this CT nonsense, but make no mistake, all liberties are on the line.

The police/surveillance state is going to jump on this, like flies to shit.