Backstabbing Republicans Publish Open Letter To Iran Undermining Negotiations

[fr33]

The U.S. government hasn't read, and doesn't understand, the U.S. constitution.

Oh they've read it. Most of them don't care about it except for working out ways to get around it and ignore it. I'm sure the Iranian government (and every government) knows this.

 

[The Gold Standard]

It wasn't symbolic. It had tangible results. It wasn't happenstance that Tom Cotton did an M.I.C. gig afterward. The money will not flow from this avenue to Rand. It won't gain him "brownie points." It will flow to the neocons. That's "aiding and abetting" in my book. If those on this forum are declaring that he is just running a game do you really believe that the opposition does not know that and are leading him by the nose? There's a winner here. It ain't Rand. And it ain't the "Liberty" movement....

I'm with you 100%. And I take it as a good sign that there aren't as many people attacking this sentiment as there were a few years ago. I piled up the neg reps back in the day. Playing along with the warmongers serves him no purpose. Even if he did by some miracle get elected, you'll have a huge false flag immediately and Boobus will call for his head if they aren't sent somewhere to die for Uncle Sam.

 

[KingNothing]

Well, really Iran should be thanking them for the letter and for clearly laying out that negotiations are a complete waste of time and the nature of US govt is so whimsical that no sane country on earth should ever bother to negotiate or enter into a treaty with it. And instead they should spend their time attempting negotiations with other more willing countries.

just saying...

As if Iran didn't already know these things.

This is obviously nothing more than a political move by the Republicans. Why are we wasting breath talking about it? If this had to do with, say, North Korea I doubt it would have even been posted. But it has to do with a country that is close to Israel, so the Israel haters around here needed to pipe up.

 

[phill4paul]

Nah. What happened here in '07 was a product of the footwork that happened in the '80s. An extension of that which existed. Technology came along and many forgot how to pound pavement or never really learned to do it in the first place and in what was a tough environment to be heard. Of course, the opposite happened as well. A lot of good people became part of a new era of an awakening. And during the beginnings of an information infrastructure that simply didn't exist in the '80s. I read the forum a lot back then (07) but never participated or signed on until a few years later. I'd say that what evolved in '07 was an evolution stage in an existing cultural/political renaissance. It went digital. And for the better, to be fair.

Just have to keep on keeping on, man. Short term visionaries seldom finish the game. Sure, they get in the way sometimes. But then they go way. Has always been that way.

I've actually been taking a break from it myself but only to the extent of this kind of setting. I come in to check my messages and whatnot and maybe post a couple of updates on threads that I have that are pretty important. I'll tell you, it's nice getting back to 30 minute lunch meeting kind of routine and whatnot. Kind of like the good old days, really. Heh.

In my defense, "here" was separated by colons from the sentence. I'm 50. I've been a part of this for awhile. Not as long as some. For me the '80's wasn't all big hair and spandex.

 

[phill4paul]

As if Iran didn't already know these things.

This is obviously nothing more than a political move by the Republicans. Why are we wasting breath talking about it? If this had to do with, say, North Korea I doubt it would have even been posted. But it has to do with a country that is close to Israel, so the Israel haters around here needed to pipe up.

Just shut the f*ck up. Seriously. Unless you want to enter a debate without casting aspersions.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

In my defense "Revolution" was in quotation. And I agree. I am just getting to the point of disappoint anymore. This forum is not what it used to be. Or maybe I'm just mal-nostalgic. It's probably me. Ron's not Rand. I came here for Ron. I came here for those of like mind that supported him. With Rand I've gone from "I support him. He's Ron Pauls son." To "I won't contribute any money but I'll help him by giving time because he is Ron Pauls son." To " I'll not help in any way I'll still vote for him." To "Fugg it."

Man, I'm disappointed by the whole universe, and all too often the liberty movement. I'm living day to day with no end in sight. I expected the dollar collapse by now, but I didn't expect them to dump the oil reserves to cling to dollar dominance. I don't know when the whole house of cards is coming down, but when it does it will be dramatic. It is the recovery side of that crash that is important now, and the people in charge of what government does when the time for that recovery comes, are the people now vying for leadership today. And if we descend into mad-max like madness, and all of this political stuff was for nothing anyway, then I can say I really tried to stop it, and so I will be able to do whatever I have to in the hour of crisis.

 

[Natural Citizen]

In my defense, "here" was separated by colons from the sentence. I'm 50. I've been a part of this for awhile. Not as long as some. For me the '80's wasn't all big hair and spandex.

Yeah, I wasn't picking you apart or anything. I understand your frustration. I have the same frustration with the whole thing. A lot of folks around here, it's obvious by discussing some of the things that go on that they have been involved with this for a very long time. Long before this digital age of information and works/activism evolved. You know what it is, phil? I get to responding to people and then end up responding to the whole board more so than the person I was responding with. And then I get to talking about other things.

Phil, in my defense, I never wore spandex, though. Heh. That's gey.

 

[presence]

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/03/09/401063/Impeach-GOP-senators-over-Iran-letter

GOP letter to Iran betrays senators’ oath to defend US Constitution: International lawyer

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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (3rd L) poses for a photograph with US Senate Majority Leader Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) (2nd L), Senate Minority Leader Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) (4th L), and Senate Majority Whip Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) (L) prior to a meeting at the US Capitol, March 3, 2015 in Washington, DC.

International lawyer Barry Grossman says a letter by US Republican senators to undermine President Barack Obama's efforts to reach a nuclear agreement with Iran probably “amounts to a breach of the oath taken by senators to ‘support and defend the Constitution’”.
In an open letter to Iran on Monday signed by some 47 Republican senators, the lawmakers warned Tehran that any deal signed by the Obama administration must be approved by Congress or it could be abandoned by next president after Barack Obama leaves office in January 2017.
Grossman said the Republican senators are clearly attempting to derail the talks underway between Iran and the P5+1 countries – the US, Britain, France, China, Russia, and Germany, which have entered a sensitive final stage.

Grossman, who is based on the Indonesian island of Bali, told Press TV on Monday that the “reckless and outrageous” letter provides “grounds for them to be impeached, if not actually prosecuted for treason.”
“The terms of the letter make it clear that these congressional dullards do not even know that the consensus of informed opinion is that Iran HAS NO nuclear weapons program,” he said.
“The concern being addressed by the 5 +1 talks is that, by exercising its rights as a sovereign state and as a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty to advance a non-military nuclear program, Iran will be in a better position to develop a nuclear weapons program should it ever decide to start such a program at some point in the future,” Grossman stated.

“However, the 17 agencies comprising the US security apparatus have consistently said since 2003 that Iran has no nuclear weapons program and has not decided to start such a program,” he added. “Nobody - except these renegade senators - genuinely claims that Iran has a nuclear weapons program. This is not open to debate.”
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Iran and the P5+1 are holding negotiations to work out a final deal aimed at ending the longstanding standoff over the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program.
The scale of Iran’s uranium enrichment and the timetable for the lifting of anti-Iran sanctions are seen as major sticking points in the talks.
The illegal sanctions on Iran have been imposed based on the unfounded accusation that Tehran is pursuing non-civilian objectives in its nuclear program.
The Republican-dominated Congress is pushing a new round of sanctions on Iran. Obama has warned Congress not to impose more sanctions on Iran, saying he will veto any such move.

Grossman said, “These cretins are clearly attempting to derail a process which falls squarely within the president's foreign affairs power and derives any such legitimacy as it may have from [what many would consider] already dubious claims made by the US security and political apparatus that the 5+1 talks deal with a matter of US national security.”
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“If that is not enough, even before any agreement is made, these senators are also announcing to the world that the US Congress does not consider itself bound by Treaties or Agreements made by the United States and doing so in the most arrogant, ignorant and insulting terms imaginable,” he noted.
“This can only be seen as an attempt to advance Israel's agenda and derail the delicate process which, through its presidential administration, the US is participating in as one of six nations negotiating with Iran.”

Grossman said, “The issue is not whether Congress has some residual role to play in ratifying treaties. The issue here is that these renegade senators have attempted to derail a delicate process by interfering with the president's executive powers, and by announcing to Iran, indeed threatening even before the terms o f any agreement which might be reached are known, that Congress will not abide by any agreement made by the executive branch.
“This arrogant and unprecedented letter also ignores the fact that the 5+1 in these 5+1 talks refers not to the USA alone in all its exceptional glory but rather to the group of six world powers which in 2006 joined the diplomatic efforts with Iran with regard to its NON-MILITARY nuclear program.
“The term refers to the five permanent members of the UN Security Council, namely the United Kingdom, the United States, Russia, China, and France, plus Germany.
“Of course, it’s no surprise that these rogue senators are incapable of appreciating America's limited but important role in this process, let alone the limits of their own role as individual senators and those applicable to the Congress as a whole.”
GJH/GJH

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Cabin 9 hours ago
Interesting that a letter stating what is required by the constitution is in some way a violation of the constitution. Only a lawyer can come up with that kind of twisted logic.

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yakubu 19 hours ago
Americans should free themselves from subordination to Israeli dictates.

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Fire-Land 20 hours ago
Non of these 47 Khazars criminal cabals know anything about nuclear science - Non of them can even differ the diffrence between a Nuclear Weapon and a nuclear energy ! It is the delema with the USA and it's infilterated USG by those who luanched 911 attacks.

American needs now to ask their Congress to back the US president, better to arrest these Double US-IsraHell Citizen, Israel first , to kick them out of decission making. World Power must demonstrate unity and consequence against a hidden handfull of Crypto -Khazars inside western Administration. IAEA must now show independence and act urgently to get the Fabricated lais out of the Energy Programe !

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Fire - Land 20 hours ago
Is any one onformed about stolen US nucs by Jewish-Khazarian Conspiracy ! Where they are located ! Some black market Khazar - Dealers are selling those Stolen nucs !

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RJ 20 hours ago
Ha, what a bunch of idiotic comments. It's Obama that should be impeached! King Obama has committed so many impeachable offenses, the only thing these senators should be impeached for is for dereliction of duty for not beginning impeachment proceedings on King Obama. The constitution states that King Obama, or any US president for that matter, cannot make nuclear agreements with other countries without Senate and Congressional approval!

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Abbas » RJ 17 hours ago
The " nuclear agreement " you are pointing was ineffective when Israhel was getting the nuclear weapon arsenal from USA.
By the way, the talks have been in proses in several years by now and no such a constitutional law have been pointed before, how comes that you " the expert in US constitutional law " are taking it up now? Do you mean the other experts involving in the negotiations are less cleaver than you are ?????????????

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iran iran 21 hour ago
that is why u.s is in such mess.these are israeli senators,not americans,they believe their power is unlimited.

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headline 21 hour ago
THEY COMMITTED TREASON AGAINST CONTITUTION OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA .

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headline 21 hour ago
IT IS A KOODETA A REGIME CHANGE ATTEMPT AGAINST THE VOTERS OF UNTED STATES WHICH IS TOTALLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL. THEY ACTED LIKE A GANG GROUP SIMILAR TO ORGONIZED CRIME WE HEAR OR READ ABOUT THEM LIKE MAFIA ORGANIZATION.

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kayam yesterday at 20:42
salam
this show how the american are lack of wisdom from their politician to the priest
imagine what will be the public and they call theme self smart or educated

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TheLastPatriot yesterday at 19:41
The impeachment issue goes back to the invitation to let Netanyahu demand that congress override the Presidents legal and constitutional authority. This is an ongoing mutiny.

Inviting the leader of another country inside the U.S. Congress with the expressed intention of subverting the powers of the president is a crime only compounded by the fact that every argument made by Netanyahu was as bogus as Iraq's WMDs.

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Nonyank S yesterday at 18:37
A clear case of a government out of control and a sound reason to (do whatever it takes taking nothing off the table) to either straighten things out or completely overhaul the US's rogue government.

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J.J. yesterday at 18:24
Netanyahu's biggest supporter, Casino king Sheldon Adelson who spent $100 Million
trying to put a Republican in the White House in 2012, was watching Netanayahu speak
the other day in front of The U.S.A. Congress, and while there, he dropped off 150
Million Dollars, mostly for The Republicans, and that's why they are singing the Tune
he paid them to Sing.
These Republicans in Congress are the biggest Criminals in The World, and they'll
do anything for money.

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Iyam Nobaudi yesterday at 18:05
We're waiting! While your at it, don't forget Obama.

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Colour-coded yesterday at 17:54
"Cretins" is a fitting description of these brainless, childlike and imbecilic US senators threatening Iran, and history shall record their actions for their offspring to deprecate and ridicule.

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urad yesterday at 17:46
Far from teaching Iran, they received a response with a civic lesson from Iran's foreign minister that what the senators espoused showed their collective ignorance of their own Constitution and the international law.

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Bahram Nayeb-Yazdi yesterday at 17:40
Why people keep electing these foreign agents? They have no interest or loyalty to USA.

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Chas Holman yesterday at 16:42
My good lord.. SO now the GOTea in the Senate, (all but 7 of them) write and signed a letter to Iranian leaders WARNING them to not make a deal with THIS President.. wow.. just wow.. These guys just HATE the USA.. It's all I can figure.. If the Democrats would of sent a letter to China when Nixon went over, WARNING the Chinese that the negotiations were only as good as who is in office, the nation would of been in an uproar.. What the hell is WRONG with the 'patriots'> ?

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Rodney Martin yesterday at 16:22
Mr. Grossman is incorrect. The Senators are well within the discretion and purview of their Office. Treaties must be ratified by the Senate. For example, the U.S. Senate never ratified the Treaty negotiated by Woodrow Wilson at the end of WWI. The problem is the Senators say, "they may well remain in Office for decades", which speaks to the fraudulent American political System. The real issue is the Jewish Lobby choke hold on U.S. Institutions which includs the U.S. Senate. These Senators are abusing the Senate's role over Treaty ratification to serve Jewish Lobby interests.

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reality yesterday at 16:20
these senators are double dipping the American tax payers by getting exclusive paycheck from us in USA and also from Israel to support them in congress from the same money we help Israel with , I would of lost my job if I would of done that !!!??? GOD help us when salt starts to get rotten.



N Smith yesterday at 15:37
Iran should apply to the ICC as well as the Palestinians against Satan and his mob, its clear Satan wants war.The zios were hoping Obama would fulfill his duty and starts wars in Syria, then Iran.Obama knows this is a huge burden to deal with.Obama has enough blood on his hands, While Satan is too coward to fight his own battles.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

You lost your seat on principle. You did not compromise. You earned my respect.

Do you regret your stance and subsequent actions?

I regret nothing. If I had it to do over again, I might try being more 'gentle' in some of my methods, more aggressive in others, and my LA would be versed in law to help me find the traps in the bills ahead. I don't actually think I would have been capable of pretending to be someone's back bencher until after redistricting was finished, but from a strategic perspective that would have actually been the best call. I'm too pig-headed to sit down and shut up until after redistricting is over, but I won't pretend that doing so is not the smarter course of action. I don't make a very good politician. I've never pretended to. Hell, I'm awful with names. I was removed from the committee on justice because I said that one senior Republican's plan to database DNA tests of all arrestees was "horrifying." Loudly, in public, and during the meeting. A mistake someone like Rand would not have made, and he would have had far more impact simply be staying on that committee.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

It wasn't symbolic. It had tangible results. It wasn't happenstance that Tom Cotton did an M.I.C. gig afterward. The money will not flow from this avenue to Rand. It won't gain him "brownie points." It will flow to the neocons. That's "aiding and abetting" in my book. If those on this forum are declaring that he is just running a game do you really believe that the opposition does not know that and are leading him by the nose? There's a winner here. It ain't Rand. And it ain't the "Liberty" movement....

Symbolic in that there was no law, legislation or regulation forwarded by the letter.

Of course there are a lot of political ramifications. That was the whole point. The coronation of Cotton as the new young neoconservative in the Senate is certainly one of them.

 

[dillo]

Not every republican senator is running for POTUS and courting teocons to do it.

name these republican senators that arent rand paul and arent neo cons

 

[cindy25]

there were 7 who did not sign.

Lisa Murkowski (Alaska)
Jeff Flake (Ariz.)
Daniel Coats (Ind.)
Susan Collins (Maine)
Thad Cochran (Miss.)
Lamar Alexander (Tenn.)
Bob Corker (Tenn.)

 

[RandallFan]

there were 7 who did not sign.

Lisa Murkowski (Alaska)
Jeff Flake (Ariz.)
Daniel Coats (Ind.)
Susan Collins (Maine)
Thad Cochran (Miss.)
Lamar Alexander (Tenn.)
Bob Corker (Tenn.)

Problem is all of them are RINOs who don't want to upset the media or Obama.

Forget it's Iran war mongering for argument's sake, there are Dems and RINOs who don't want to buck Obama or go against conventional wisdom of staying out of trouble.

Some of these RINOs and Dems would vote for all out war against Iraq or Syria if it was convenient with other issues they wanted to vote. I think Corker and Flake voted to bomb Assad while Rubio and Rand voted no.
Corker and Flake voted to kill people so they could prove: "The GOP can govern".

Jeff Flake voted to bomb Assad becaues Flake was worried the longer the bomb-Assad debate went on the harder it was to pass his pet issue: amnesty for illegals.

The fact that some Republicans dissented makes Rand's vote look better to Republican primary voters.

 

[cindy25]

Flake was considered a libertarian at one time.

but more importantly, does Rand really believe in this stupid letter? if to win votes, those voters will vote for Graham, or Cruz. so it was all for nothing. Tom Cotton (L-Ark) is nuts. he should move to Israel (the L is not a typo, it stands for Likud)

 

[Suzanimal]

The White House Petition has reached 136,300, I'm curious to hear Obama's response.

TOTAL SIGNATURES ON THIS PETITION 136,300

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...tempting-undermine-nuclear-agreement/NKQnpJS9

 

[Snowball]

Excellent piece by Justin Raimondo today about this and other problems with Rand "Paul".
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2015/03/10/rand-pauls-munich/

 

[Chieppa1]

Excellent piece by Justin Raimondo today about this and other problems with Rand "Paul".
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2015/03/10/rand-pauls-munich/

Was just going to post this. Comes a time when I personally have to stand on principle. I became what I am today politically because of Ron Paul's debate speech versus Rudy. My confusion and coming of age after 9/11 is what drew me to understand libertarian views. Rand's play here and complete political fear to stand up to the Neocons (which continue to attack him anyway) is too much for me. Ron's complete disrespect for those empire loving sociopaths sparked me to give a shit.

Rand gives me none of that. He can say all the right things domestically. But continuing to drag the US down the path to another 9/11 type attack, and playing games with human lives to please some geo-political wet dream is the OPPOSITE of anti-statism. I can't support it.

 

[Brett85]

Was just going to post this. Comes a time when I personally have to stand on principle. I became what I am today politically because of Ron Paul's debate speech versus Rudy. My confusion and coming of age after 9/11 is what drew me to understand libertarian views. Rand's play here and complete political fear to stand up to the Neocons (which continue to attack him anyway) is too much for me. Ron's complete disrespect for those empire loving sociopaths sparked me to give a shit.

Rand gives me none of that. He can say all the right things domestically. But continuing to drag the US down the path to another 9/11 type attack, and playing games with human lives to please some geo-political wet dream is the OPPOSITE of anti-statism. I can't support it.

Keep in mind that Rand is the only candidate in the race who hasn't asked John Bolton for foreign policy advice. That's something to consider.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

This may be another smart move by Republicans. They are weakenening dDG team, Dems and Israel lobby at the same time. What is wrong with that? It is good for non-interventionism.


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[Chieppa1]

Keep in mind that Rand is the only candidate in the race who hasn't asked John Bolton for foreign policy advice. That's something to consider.

True. But if a host on FOX News says "Senator Paul, you are the only candidate who has not met with John Bolton for foreign policy advice. Many view him as an important expert on Middle East policy. What is your opinion on Mr. Bolton and his views?"

What will Rand say? Because what any sane human being should say is that John Bolton's view of the world is not rooted in the reality of the situation. Doesn't Rand like to call his policy "rational libertarianism" or something?

Or will he throw John Bolton a compliment and meet with him a week later for fear of upsetting some clueless 'Merica-loving voters in western Pennsylvania?