Backstabbing Republicans Publish Open Letter To Iran Undermining Negotiations

You just go ahead and hold your nose. Winning means holding your nose. Even if it is the lesser of evils. You are a winner. A man of conviction. One to be applauded.

Yeah. I don't care for this. At the same time, nobody is perfect, not even Ron Paul. I'm willing to give Rand a shot at this point, but I won't say nothing he could ever do would change my mind on that.
 
Thanks for the List of American Patriots in the Senate. Opposing that slimy usurper in the WH is always the Right Thing to do.

But will you still feel the same way when they oppose the Republican "slimy usurper" president? The problem with this sort of idiocy is that it works both ways. If in the unlikely event Rand were to win the nomination over the WallSt/MIC choice and then win the presidency, do you really think he wouldn't face the same level of obstruction? Would you start crying if a Dem controlled Congress openly sent a letter to torpedo any negotiating Rand tried to do as President? Of course you would. This is an incredibly stupid move, a new low, and changes the game for any future elected president. Partisan stupidity has ruined both parties which I believe will lead to a viable 3rd party much sooner than later.
 
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It's not a bill. Get a grip.
It was just a mistake. I saw it a bit later after I posted but forgot to edit it. Didn't think someone would make it an issue and have it cancel out he rest of my post. Yes I know that a bill is a piece of legislation and a signed, unapproved partisan letter is not.

How about you answer to the rest of it?
 
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BAH.... it should be obvious to all but the most blinded that the ONLY thing this current crop of Republicans care about is to undermine Obama no matter what. Why do they hate him so much? Maybe because he's black and popular with the youth?

I remember the scare stories about how Obama would bankrupt the country further, and yet in the previous two decades it has been *DEMOCRATS* who have made the government spend less while it is has been Republican presidents which have spent and thrown money, like drunk sailors, to enrich the military-industrial complex.

Under Obama, the deficit has actually gone lower, which is precisely why the Republicans have shut up about this issue and you don't hear a single peep out of them anymore regarding spending. So now they try to turn their focus on 'foreign relations'.

When it came to Syria and drones, Republicans chided Obama for 'violating the constitution' for considering and/or backing hawkish policies.

But ironically enough, in the war against ISIS, Obama gets chided for being a sissy and not assertive (read: hawkish) enough.

Now, Obama wants to forge peace, which counts as progress, and these nutty Reps - including pandering Rand Paul - want to throw a monkey wrench in the works. Rand Paul himself probably doesn't hate Obama much, if at all, but what he clearly wants is to WIN - no matter what. The only thing that figures into Rand Paul's calculations is popularity of a position and most certainly NOT principle.

I never believed in the son, EVER. Rand is nothing but a cynical-to-the-bone politico trying to capitalize on the Paul name as a brand, and it seems to be working for some of the people here. Rand supporters should try to ask him tough questions, the kind that his Dad had no problem giving unpopular answers to, in the name of principle.

When it comes to balanced and well-considered policies, Republicans don't have a leg to stand on anymore, so they have to rely on cheap stunts like this. And if these continue, and assuming that the electorate as a whole possess brains and enlightened self-interest, it is likely that the future will see the Republican party fade to irrelevance, especially as the Democrat platform becomes ever more centrist. And just maybe, a Libertarian-minded Party will be what arises to challenge the Democrats.
 
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this was still just a meaningless childish letter. the real test will be the ISIS war resolution, which is coming within a month.
 
this was still just a meaningless childish letter. the real test will be the ISIS war resolution, which is coming within a month.

I agree. Unfortunately, I think it is going to be tough to win the GOP primary if you are seen as weak on ISIS.
 
He didn't vote on anything. It's not a bill, it's a statement.



So you're mad that he stated something that was correct and true? Does the truth always make you so upset? Why?



No argument there.
Once again a mistake of wording it. Screw off with that and don't insult my intelligence when you don't have any good answers yourself.

I am upset with Rand for signing it because even if "it is technically correct" the letter stank of a desire to undermine negotiations by neocons. Rand did not NEED to sign it. He gained no points with the liberty movement. He COULD have been smart and refused to sign the letter and separately argued that the Congress has the right to vote on it. Instead he signed this flaming piece of trash of a letter.

Take off the blinders and realize what Rand Paul has done. He is blending more and more into the Republican mainstream which is something the liberty movement stands against. You can cover your ears and say "la la la technically correct" all you want.
 
Our nation has a high real unemployment rate. Debt is exploding to unsustainable levels. Since 2007 40% of the nations wealth has been vaporized. Also, there are over two million Americans in prison.

...yet, our politicians are fixated on a third world country thousands of miles away, which poses no threat to the continental United States.
 
...yet, our politicians are fixated on a third world country thousands of miles away, which poses no threat to the continental United States.

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Gotta love Ron. He never bent the knee to the chickenhawks no matter how many dirty tricks they pulled on him. Ron Paul 2016.

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Gotta love Ron. He never bent the knee to the chickenhawks no matter how many dirty tricks they pulled on him. Ron Paul 2016.
There is Paul the Principled and then there is Paul the Panderer. It's surprising how many people on this forum are apologists for the latter. People get the government that they deserve.
 
I don't think everyone here should worry so much about this.

America is not going to go to war over Iran. On the contrary, America is going to go to war over Memories Pizza. Nukes could be used. Scary.
 
Have any of you even READ the letter? It was nothing more than an 8th grade civics lesson, and it was entirely correct. No deal can be reached unless the Senate approves of it.

I hate neo-con warmongers too, but let's not let our emotions cloud our judgment, shall we? If we're going to have any sort of diplomatic deal with Iran, the Senate MUST approve it by a 2/3 vote.
 
There is Paul the Principled and then there is Paul the Panderer. It's surprising how many people on this forum are apologists for the latter. People get the government that they deserve.

but Paul the Panderer could actually get elected. and once elected do what he knows is right. and he does know. you can tell by the expression on his face when Bibi gave his infamous speech. I would suggest he make a one term pledge, so any thoughts of pandering and fund raising can be put to rest.

serve one term, then pass it to Amash in 2020, and then to Massie in 2024.
 
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