At least 60 feared dead and shots fired as lorry RAMS into crowd celebrating Bastille Day

[helmuth_hubener]

We have detached Americans blaming the blowback on those creepy Muslims, w/o a clue of how the US has been meddling in their countries for at least 70 years. France & England have been doing this for much longer.

I am NOT condoning murder of any sort- just saying that this is not religious- it's BLOWBACK in capital letters.

Blowing what back on whom?

Try to think with precision. Just try.

In what way was this MASS-MURDERING TERRORIST entitled to revenge against the people of France? Even if you somehow generalize and say that the people of France are valid revenge targets for the actions of the government of France. It still doesn't work. He had no grievance. He had no connection to anyone with a grievance. He was living in France. He was not getting bombed. His family was not getting bombed. He had just as much connection to the Middle East as he did to Tazmania. That is: none! Except for.... unless you take into account the fact that he was..... Oh, but we can't do that; Ender doesn't want to take that into account. But yet he wants to claim this MASS MURDER was blowback. Oh dear, oh dear, what shall he do?

If it is blowback, Ender, then the group that he considers himself to belong to, that he considers aggrieved, that he's blowing back on behalf of would be:

ISLAM

Which button you want to push, Ender?

 

[Zippyjuan]

Driver from Tunisia and said not to be a religious person but was under financial stress and family stress with his marriage breaking up. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ce-terror-attacker-everything-we-know-so-far/

Neighbours described Bouhel as a depressed – sometimes aggressive – man who was not particularly interested in religion, and kept to himself.

They said that he had been unhappy since he divorced his wife two years ago, and that he suffered from financial problems.

Those who lived near him said he had been "depressed and unstable, even aggressive" of late. They put this down to his "marital and financial problems".

So not blow- back or Islamic terrorism.

 

[UWDude]

Oh no, because it is never the fault of the people who actually MASS MURDER THE CROWD OF INNOCENTS.

You mean the Americans and French, who mass murdered the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Iraqis, Lybians, and Syrians?

Blowing what back on whom?

Try to think with precision. Just try.

In what way was this MASS-MURDERING TERRORIST entitled to revenge against the people of France? Even if you somehow generalize and say that the people of France are valid revenge targets for the actions of the government of France. It still doesn't work. He had no grievance. He had no connection to anyone with a grievance. He was living in France. He was not getting bombed. His family was not getting bombed. He had just as much connection to the Middle East as he did to Tazmania. That is: none! Except for.... unless you take into account the fact that he was..... Oh, but we can't do that; Ender doesn't want to take that into account. But yet he wants to claim this MASS MURDER was blowback. Oh dear, oh dear, what shall he do?

If it is blowback, Ender, then the group that he considers himself to belong to, that he considers aggrieved, that he's blowing back on behalf of would be:

ISLAM

Which button you want to push, Ender?

Why is the religion of the person only mentioned when they are muslim. You never hear mass shooters referred to first by their religion.

(unless they are muslim).

How about race? maybe they shoudl be referred to by race. "the white mass shooter anders Breivik, the white mass shooter Elliot rogers, teh white mass shooters Erik Harris and Dylan Kleibold, the white mass shooter Kyle Huff.

I mean it is pretty obvious to anyone, WHITE CULTURE FOSTERS MASS SHOOTINGS! IT'S A VIOLENT CULTURE.

Hell, we can even say WHITE MALE CULTURE!

see how that works?

 

[helmuth_hubener]

You mean the Americans and French, who mass murdered the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Iraqis, Lybians, and Syrians?

No, I mean this bloke who just drove his truck into a massive crowd of people, slaughtering them. Thanks for asking! Glad I could clear that up!

You see, I actually blame actors for their own actions.

Now maybe you say "this bloke was a fine fellow; a stand-up guy. He'd never done anything like this before, and he never would have, except for.... America. He was driven to this by the evil actions of Dick Cheney, or McDonalds, or his overbearing mother. It wasn't his fault! It was yours, Helmuth. You are morally culpable."

But I would have a hard time understanding that view. I really would. Because it seems to me that he was the one who made the decision to slaughter massive numbers of innocents on France's Independence Day. It seems to you, on the other hand, that America did it, that we drove him to it.

It's just a different point of view, I think. But I don't understand it. At all. I'll admit it! Do you understand mine?

 

[BV2]

No, I mean this bloke who just drove his truck into a massive crowd of people, slaughtering them. Thanks for asking! Glad I could clear that up!

You see, I actually blame actors for their own actions.

Now maybe you say "this bloke was a fine fellow; a stand-up guy. He'd never done anything like this before, and he never would have, except for.... America. He was driven to this by the evil actions of Dick Cheney, or McDonalds, or his overbearing mother. It wasn't his fault! It was yours, Helmuth. You are morally culpable."

Take it easy Helmuth, no one's attacking, or blaming, you. Since you brought up human actors, lets talk about them. Do they just act, like animals, on reflex and simple intelligence. Or, generally speaking, is there a motivation for action?

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Or, generally speaking, is there a motivation for action?

We can follow that road, but you should be aware it leads you to a trap (see post 61).

 

[BV2]

We can follow that road, but you should be aware it leads you to a trap (see post 61).

I'll consider myself warned. Take a step.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Because if you think he had a motive and this was blowback, then that motive had to do with the fact that he was a Mohammedan of Middle-Eastern orgin. AKA: He was a Muslim.

So if you're willing to go down a road that leads to the acceptance that one rational way to reduce terrorism is to reduce or eliminate the presence of people with a grievance (real or imagined) against you and your countrymen, and that Muslims clearly have a grievance against the West (a real one, even!), and that therefore..... what?

 

[UWDude]

You see, I actually blame actors for their own actions.

Look at you try to weasel out.

your posts clearly blame Islam. With the Obama meme pic, to your bolding of the word Islam, to knowing who you are and your posting history.

You are just insulting everybodies intelligence now.

So if you're willing to go down a road that leads to the acceptance that one rational way to reduce terrorism is to reduce or eliminate the presence of people with a grievance (real or imagined) against you and your countrymen, and that Muslims clearly have a grievance against the West (a real one, even!), and that therefore..... what?

Hmm.... I'd say you as a WHITE MALE should react as WHITE MALES do... go on a MASS SHOOTING SPREE, to save YOU and your WHITE MALE countrymen.

White men gonna whitemen.

Because if you think he had a motive and this was blowback, then that motive had to do with the fact that he was a Mohammedan of Middle-Eastern orgin. AKA: He was a Muslim.

So if you're willing to go down a road that leads to the acceptance that one rational way to reduce terrorism is to reduce or eliminate the presence of people with a grievance (real or imagined) against you and your countrymen, and that Muslims clearly have a grievance against the West (a real one, even!), and that therefore..... what?

Is it all muslims? Because, as I am sure you are aware, most "terrorist attacks" are committed by Muslims from the middle East and North Africa, yet almost half of the world's muslims live in South east Asia. So it's mostly muslims from the middle east and North africa.

What is different from the Middle east and North Africa?

Way more NATO bombs get dropped there, than say in Indonesia or Bangledesh.

So instead of maybe wiping out the Middle east and Africa... ...how about stop dropping bombs there?

I know,you were going to try to tell us all genocide was the only answer. And that is simply because you are stupid.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Look at you try to weasel out of your guilt and responsibility for this, you murdering pig. I'd say you as a WHITE MALE should react as WHITE MALES do... go on a MASS SHOOTING SPREE.

Oh, UW dude, are you on a drinking binge again?

Where would you recommend, in your wisdom, that I commence my shooting spree?

 

[BV2]

Oh, UW dude, are you on a drinking binge again?

Where would you recommend, in your wisdom, that I commence my shooting spree?

Helmuth, lay down the crack pipe. Selective quote is selective, can you not respond to the entirety of his post? Clearly, since you choose to respond to a section that you, yourself, made inflammatory by removing it from its context.

 

[UWDude]

Oh, UW dude, are you on a drinking binge again?

Where would you recommend, in your wisdom, that I commence my shooting spree?

Wherever you were about to imply we should turn to glass.

Go on, hero of the white race. White people in France are under attack, therefore you are under attack. Your survival is at stake.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

As long as I'm insulting "everybodies" intelligence, I will point out that I hold the American and French murdering slime balls responsible for their wretched, putrid acts as well. I have opposed 100% every single war that has happened in my lifetime, since I was old enough to be politically aware. And I do agree that the bad behavior of our government has repercussions and consequences, one of which can be increased terrorism.

Of course, everybody already knows this, from my posting history and who I am. But maybe some "everybodies" have forgotten or become confused.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Wherever you were about to imply we should turn to glass.

Go on, hero of the white race. White people in France are under attack, therefore you are under attack. Your survival is at stake.

I don't understand any of this.

How can I do my shooting spree if you don't give me clear instructions on where to do it? I am, after all, so very stupid, as you so devastatingly pointed out. Please just tell me in small, little words where I should start mass-murdering people. An address would help. Also: why are you in favor of mass-murder? Why do you want to not only defend mass-murderers, but encourage others to go do more? Let me know,

 

[Danke]

As long as I'm insulting "everybodies" intelligence, I will point out that I hold the American and French murdering slime balls responsible for their wretched, putrid acts as well. I have opposed 100% every single war that has happened in my lifetime, since I was old enough to be politically aware. And I do agree that the bad behavior of our government has repercussions and consequences, one of which can be increased terrorism.

Of course, everybody already knows this, from my posting history and who I am. But maybe some "everybodies" have forgotten or become confused.

 

[Ender]

Blowing what back on whom?

Try to think with precision. Just try.

In what way was this MASS-MURDERING TERRORIST entitled to revenge against the people of France? Even if you somehow generalize and say that the people of France are valid revenge targets for the actions of the government of France. It still doesn't work. He had no grievance. He had no connection to anyone with a grievance. He was living in France. He was not getting bombed. His family was not getting bombed. He had just as much connection to the Middle East as he did to Tazmania. That is: none! Except for.... unless you take into account the fact that he was..... Oh, but we can't do that; Ender doesn't want to take that into account. But yet he wants to claim this MASS MURDER was blowback. Oh dear, oh dear, what shall he do?

If it is blowback, Ender, then the group that he considers himself to belong to, that he considers aggrieved, that he's blowing back on behalf of would be:

ISLAM

Which button you want to push, Ender?

My Statement from another thread:

We are NOT at war with a religion- we are at WAR because TPTB want ME resources and power over the globe.

Some of this is blowback and some of this is BS- Judge Napolitano told the world that according to the 911 reports, no deaths happened in Orlando until 5:30 AM- after the police showed up. So are we being played? Is it TPTB plan to have everybody hate each other and blame others so that they can take even more control?

Think about that.

As for buttons, please get over yourself-



Me, me me, mine, mine, mine...........

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Some of this is blowback

It doesn't work. There was nothing to blow back against. He had no grievance. He had no connection to anyone with a grievance. He was living in France. He was not getting bombed. His family was not getting bombed. He had just as much connection to the Middle East as he did to Tazmania. That is: none! Except for....

some of this is BS

Nice. Tell that to the dead.

Along with your "Isn't that special" video you posted upon hearing the news. You clearly have a lot of love for everyone, oh yes. You're full of love and sympathy for all. Except for dead victims of terrorists who interfere with the leftist narrative.

 

[Ender]

It doesn't work. There was nothing to blow back against. He had no grievance. He had no connection to anyone with a grievance. He was living in France. He was not getting bombed. His family was not getting bombed. He had just as much connection to the Middle East as he did to Tazmania. That is: none! Except for....

Nice. Tell that to the dead.

Along with your "Isn't that special" video you posted upon hearing the news. You clearly have a lot of love for everyone, oh yes. You're full of love and sympathy for all. Except for dead victims of terrorists who interfere with the leftist narrative.

ASSume much?

It had nothing to do with the dead and the grieving and everything to do with the fact that things are happening exactly as TPTB planned.

 

[Ender]

Driver from Tunisia and said not to be a religious person but was under financial stress and family stress with his marriage breaking up. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ce-terror-attacker-everything-we-know-so-far/



So not blow- back or Islamic terrorism.

Hmmm.... sounds like meds......

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Assume much?

I just read what you write. If you don't want to appear to be cold and callous towards dead ("white, privileged, imperialist") children, and you don't want to appear sympathetic towards mass murderers, I have a helpful suggestion:

Post fewer posts sympathetic towards mass-murdering terrorists
Post few posts showing callous indifference towards victims of terrorism.

That's all! Blame the victims less. Blame the terrorists more.