Article suggesting GOP establishment worried about its candidates

Newt had a slow steady climb to around 10% then took advantage of Cain's collapse. Frothy isn't even 1/5 of that.

Newt's wasn't slow and steady. He lingered around for a while, where his poll numbers didn't collapse, but didn't rise. This was because of his strong debate performances. Then the media gave him a nice push.

Never underestimate the power of corrupt pollsters and loyal media pundits.
 
Bachmann is like the saner, more well articulated version of Frothy. People don't want anything to do with her type now, and if they do they aren't going to switch allegiances. Wow, can't believe I just said Bachmann is saner than someone.
 
Polls smolls. If anyone thinks Herman Cain polled high in any legimate polls then they are an idiot. Ya gotta remember where Cain got his first boost. A Frank Luntz focus group :rolleyes:.
 
Newt's wasn't slow and steady. He lingered around for a while, where his poll numbers didn't collapse, but didn't rise. This was because of his strong debate performances. Then the media gave him a nice push.

Never underestimate the power of corrupt pollsters and loyal media pundits.
I don't underestimate the influence. It's just that they've been trying to push him for a while and he just doesn't stick. He's all over Iowa and still has 4%.

A Bachmann resurgence is much more likely than Santorum.
 
Polls smolls. If anyone thinks Herman Cain polled high in any legimate polls then they are an idiot. Ya gotta remember where Cain got his first boost. A Frank Luntz focus group :rolleyes:.
The polls in my signature are as close to scientific as you are going to find, and yes he probably would have won Iowa had the caucus been a month ago.
 
Bachmann is like the saner, more well articulated version of Frothy. People don't want anything to do with her type now, and if they do they aren't going to switch allegiances. Wow, can't believe I just said Bachmann is saner than someone.

Santorum speaks well, but his views, and Bachmann's will limit them. No one believes either can beat Obama and the polls bear this out. Because of that they will never beat Romney. Ron polls MUCH better against Obama. That point just needs to be better publicized.
 
Those who subscribe to Alex Jones' theories know that the establishment elite push the same agenda whether they have a Republican or a Democrat in office. In other words, Obama has been pushing the same agenda that Bush was pushing. Romney would likely carry on Obama's policies. To me, it is starting to seem like the global elites want to burn the Republican's boats and just give Obama another 4 years.

That said, they cannot stop a locomotive. Ron Paul can take 1st in Iowa and 2nd in New Hampshire. It just seems the elite controlled media is now habitually bringing up and tearing down each Republican candidate while dismissing Ron Paul.
 
I don't underestimate the influence. It's just that they've been trying to push him for a while and he just doesn't stick. He's all over Iowa and still has 4%.

A Bachmann resurgence is much more likely than Santorum.

I disagree that they've been trying to push him. Santorum has gotten little attention in debates, when compared to other establishment candidates. He polls low, the media really doesn't take a liking to him. And pushing him all along wouldn't make sense.

The GOP establishment's biggest problem is the Tea Party, which stormed the 2010 elections and has proved problematic for Republican leadership in Congress. Activists have been calling out Republicans as much as they do Democrats. What would be the solution to reel them in, while not risking their party control? The founder of the Tea Party Caucus and the self-described leader of the movement, Michele Bachmann. She was the first "flavor of the week", an attempt to throw a leash on the Tea Party movement.

But Bachmann failed, and so the next possibility to bring in the movement was Rick Perry. Perry was sold as a conservative and was generally accepted as one, as his dirt was not widely known. I can't tell you how many Republicans I saw absolutely go nuts over the idea of Perry entering the race. He was the alternative to Bachmann for the Tea Party.

Bachmann failed, Perry failed. What was next? A guy who not only sold himself as Tea Party, but was also African-American. So not only could he win the Tea Party, he could be a selling point to those who say the Tea Party or Republican Party is racist. Cain was less establishment than the previous two, but still establishment enough where the GOP doesn't have anything to lose in the event he wins.

Bachmann, Perry, and now Cain have failed. In a move of desperation, the establishment is going with the smooth-talking, intelligent Newt Gingrich. Although more establishment in then his predecessors, this "flavor of the week" can now hypothetically get away with some dirt, because the media unearthing his skeletons is seen as a vendetta, thanks to the Cain sexual harassment mess. Gingrich is standing strong still.

Newt won't survive however. And unless they come up with another roll of the dice, Mitt Romney is their guy. But Mitt Romney has shown from the beginning to be unable to unite the Party, or even expand beyond his base. His poll numbers, for the most part, have been paralyzed. Not moving up, not moving down.

The alternative? Rick Santorum. And Iowa is perfect for it, because you don't get much more religious than Iowa. Santorum is very religious.

You watch. Santorum will be the next "flavor of the week" and it'll happen right before Iowa. We haven't won this yet. It's not over until it's over.
 
this ^^ which means that Romney wins the Iowa caucus. And goes into NH with even further momentum. So we need to hit the phone banks.
 
this ^^ which means that Romney wins the Iowa caucus. And goes into NH with even further momentum. So we need to hit the phone banks.

Phone banks AND people going door to door. Let's not just reach out on phones, let's put faces to the movement.
 
Yeah. If I didn't know any better I would think this parade of clowns and scandal ridden candidates (RP excluded) were intentional to keep BO in office ;). Even Mitt Romney does not have a chance. Many/most Christians are going to stay home before they vote for a Mormon. Ya would think this would be obvious to the people behind the scenes. Or is it? hmmmmmm

It's obvious. The establishment GOP types know that the only two viable candidates are Ron and Romney. They also know Romney has a low ceiling at around 25%. They will all line up behind Ron, hold their noses and back him, just like they did McCain. The difference is that Ron can beat Obama.

Santorum isn't on that list and, surprise, surprise, I am starting to see stories talking him up as a 'dark horse' or 'sleeper' (Rubin for example). Those people aren't worried Ron CAN'T win, they are worried about his 'the American people over the special interests' approach to governing if he DOES win.

Santorum is way to extreme socially. He's unelectable because of it. He'll never even hit double digits.
 
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Apparently, they're trying to get rid of Cain, Bachmann, Perry, Gingrich, and of COURSE Paul.

I hope this spreads everywhere to show what the establishment is about. This is gross. The good news is that Romney's the only guy with a chance thats not on the list.

They ARE trying to get rid of Cain.

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November 15, 2011

Yet a quick search only turns up two articles written by Donald Hilton – Editor at Large. The OP and this one. ;)

You guys could break the links rather then give this guy any credibility.
 
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Bachmann is just as extreme socially and she was the original "flavor of the week."

Yeah and she's going nowhere stuck in single digits.

I'm no professional strategist, but I've analyzed this all quite a bit. This race is down to Romney vs. Ron and it's looking really good right now. The GOP establishment types are quietly acknowledging this as is the MSM.
 
Yeah and she's going nowhere stuck in single digits.

I'm no professional strategist, but I've analyzed this all quite a bit. This race is down to Romney vs. Ron and it's looking really good right now. The GOP establishment types are quietly acknowledging this as is the MSM.

I agree, but that's not my point.

My point all along has been these "flavor of the weeks" have been attempts to divide up the anti-Romney camp. We all know that, logically, it's a Romney vs. Paul battle. Romney's supporters are as faithful as Paul's, except Romney can't seem to expand beyond them. So the alternate solution? Divide the opposition.

Paul is doing very well in Iowa, a religious state. It would only be natural for a Santorum spike to occur in December in the hopes that he takes a little bit. With this race close at this point, even a little bit lost from anyone, could benefit Romney.
 
I agree, but that's not my point.

My point all along has been these "flavor of the weeks" have been attempts to divide up the anti-Romney camp. We all know that, logically, it's a Romney vs. Paul battle. Romney's supporters are as faithful as Paul's, except Romney can't seem to expand beyond them. So the alternate solution? Divide the opposition.

Paul is doing very well in Iowa, a religious state. It would only be natural for a Santorum spike to occur in December in the hopes that he takes a little bit. With this race close at this point, even a little bit lost from anyone, could benefit Romney.

Don't count on that. Romney just dropped 10 points in NH when everyone claimed he had it locked up. His support can be swayed.
 
I liked how there wasn't even a reason why Ron Paul couldn't win except that he was "too extreme".

If anyone ever tells you this, just say "extreme times of unemployment call for extreme measures". It has actually been working for me when I encounter this mindset. I have been getting a lot of people to re-evaluate their positions by saying this combined with youtube videos that cater to their concerns.
 
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I thought the Romney campaign was paying for Sanscrotum to make it to the debates?

Santorum isn't on that list and, surprise, surprise, I am starting to see stories talking him up as a 'dark horse' or 'sleeper' (Rubin for example). Those people aren't worried Ron CAN'T win, they are worried about his 'the American people over the special interests' approach to governing if he DOES win.
 
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