Armed Feds Prepare For Showdown With Nevada Cattle Rancher

[Anti Federalist]

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[RPtotheWH]

Reports are coming in that the feds are filling up a hotel with agents, looks like they are preparing for some sort of raid.

 

[tod evans]

Reports are coming in that the feds are filling up a hotel with agents, looks like they are preparing for some sort of raid.

More information would be good...

 

[pcosmar]

Reports are coming in that the feds are filling up a hotel with agents, looks like they are preparing for some sort of raid.

Reports from who and posted where?

I am sure that there are folks in the area with their eyes and ears open though,,

 

[phill4paul]

More about the mess the BLM made of the operation. They hired an Utah rancher to round up the cattle to take to Utah to sell. However, the Governor of Utah declined to allow the cattle to cross state lines. The BLM also caused significant damage to Bundy operation.

Feds accused of leaving trail of wreckage after Nevada ranch standoff

The federal agency that backed down over the weekend in a tense standoff with a Nevada rancher is being accused of leaving a trail of wreckage behind.

Fox News toured the damage -- allegedly caused by the Bureau of Land Management -- which included holes in water tanks and destroyed water lines and fences. According to family friends, the bureau's hired "cowboys" also killed two prize bulls.

"They had total control of this land for one week, and look at the destruction they did in one week," said Corey Houston, friend of rancher Cliven Bundy and his family. "So why would you trust somebody like that? And how does that show that they're a better steward?"

The BLM and other law enforcement officials backed down on Saturday in their effort to seize Bundy's cattle, after hundreds of protesters, some armed, arrived to show support for the Bundy family. In the end, BLM officials left the scene amid concerns about safety, and no shots were fired.

The dispute between the feds and the Bundy family has been going on for years; they say he owes more than $1.1 million in unpaid grazing fees -- and long ago revoked his grazing rights over concern for a federally protected tortoise. They sent officials to round up his livestock following a pair of federal court orders last year giving the U.S. government the authority to impound the cattle.

The feds, though, are being accused of taking the court orders way too far.

On a Friday night conference call, BLM officials told reporters that "illegal structures" on Bundy's ranch -- water tanks, water lines and corrals -- had to be removed to "restore" the land to its natural state and prevent the rancher from restarting his illegal cattle operation.

However, the court order used to justify the operation appears only to give the agency the authority to "seize and impound" Bundy's cattle.

"Nowhere in the court order that I saw does it say that they can destroy infrastructure, destroy corrals, tanks ... desert environment, shoot cattle," Houston said.

Bundy's friends say the BLM wranglers told them the bulls were shot because they were dangerous and could gore their horses. One bull was shot five times.

But Houston said the pen holding the bull wasn't even bent. "It's not like the bull was smashing this pen and trying tackle people or anything," he said. "The pen is sitting here. It hasn't moved. No damage whatsoever. Where was the danger with that bull?"

Plus he said BLM vehicles appear to have crushed a tortoise burrow near the damaged water tank. "How's that conservation?" he asked.

The BLM has not yet responded to a request for comment on these allegations.

Bundy has refused to pay the grazing fees or remove his cattle, and doesn't even acknowledge the federal government's authority to assess or collect damages.

The bureau has said if Bundy wasn't willing to pay, then they would sell his cattle.

However, there was a problem with that plan -- few in Nevada would touch Bundy's cattle for fear of being blacklisted.

"The sale yards are very nervous about taking what in the past has been basically stolen cattle from the federal government," Nevada Agriculture Commissioner Ramona Morrison said.

Documents show the BLM paid a Utah cattle wrangler $966,000 to collect Bundy's cattle and a Utah auctioneer to sell them. However, Utah Gov. Gary Herbert refused to let Bundy cattle cross state lines, saying in a letter: "As Governor of Utah, I urgently request that a herd of cattle seized by the Bureau of Land Management from Mr. Cliven Bundy of Bunkerville, Nevada, not be sent to Utah. There are serious concerns about human safety and animal health and well-being, if these animals are shipped to and sold in Utah."

That letter was sent three days before the BLM round-up, which is why the cattle were still being held Saturday in temporary pens just a few miles from Bundy's ranch. Morrison says BLM was sitting on cattle because it had no way to get rid of them -- setting up a potential tragedy as orphaned calves were not getting any milk and feed costs were about to skyrocket.

The showdown is far from over. The BLM says it will "continue to work to resolve the matter administratively and judicially," though Bundy still doesn't recognize federal authority over the federal lands that he continues to use in violation of a court order. The federal judge who issued that decision says Bundy's claims "are without merit."

That order from October 2013 says Bundy owes $200 per day per head for every day he fails to move his cattle. That amounts to roughly $640 million in damages owed to the federal government for illegally grazing his cattle.

William La Jeunesse joined FOX News Channel (FNC) in March 1998 and currently serves as a Los Angeles-based correspondent.

 

[phill4paul]

Saturday, April 19, 2014

Digging up 1 of the HUGE holes where they threw the cows

that they had ran to death or shot.

I feel that this NEEDS to be put out for the public to see.

http://bundyranch.blogspot.com/

 

[Carlybee]

Saturday, April 19, 2014

Digging up 1 of the HUGE holes where they threw the cows

that they had ran to death or shot.

I feel that this NEEDS to be put out for the public to see.

http://bundyranch.blogspot.com/

The anti Bundy crowd won't care. They are out for blood so what's a little cow blood? The oh so tolerant peaceful left are making comments like the BLM should have shot all the protesters. The cows are just collateral damage. There is nothing that will convince the sheep who are stuck so far up the Feds butt they would need a periscope to see beyond what they are told to see. They remind me of the pod people from Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

 

[KCIndy]

More information would be good...

Reports from who and posted where?

I am sure that there are folks in the area with their eyes and ears open though,,

The only motels anywhere near that area are in Mesquite. I know; I used to drive through there a lot. Mesquite is immediately inside the Nevada border. Most of the hotels are actually in the casinos designed to draw in out-of-state visitors from Utah.

The next closest hotels are in Saint George, Utah, up through the Virgin River gorge (a beautiful drive for those who get the chance) and over thirty miles away.

If anyone has the time, one could look up hotel availability in Mesquite. Probably six or seven hotels there, tops.

But frankly, if there's going to be a raid my guess is that they'll simply roll everyone out of Las Vegas. Vegas is only an hour's drive south on I-15. Why would the Feds move anyone into a motel in Mesquite and tip everyone off?

 

[MelissaWV]

The only motels anywhere near that area are in Mesquite. I know; I used to drive through there a lot. Mesquite is immediately inside the Nevada border. Most of the hotels are actually in the casinos designed to draw in out-of-state visitors from Utah.

The next closest hotels are in Saint George, Utah, up through the Virgin River gorge (a beautiful drive for those who get the chance) and over thirty miles away.

If anyone has the time, one could look up hotel availability in Mesquite. Probably six or seven hotels there, tops.

But frankly, if there's going to be a raid my guess is that they'll simply roll everyone out of Las Vegas. Vegas is only an hour's drive south on I-15. Why would the Feds move anyone into a motel in Mesquite and tip everyone off?

According to the other thread(s) about this, they are staying at the Vegas Marriott. It's one of those secrets that isn't a secret because a friend of a friend of a cop who spilled the beans sent an email that was forwarded twice. Take that with whatever amount of salt is needed.

 

[KCIndy]

According to the other thread(s) about this, they are staying at the Vegas Marriott. It's one of those secrets that isn't a secret because a friend of a friend of a cop who spilled the beans sent an email that was forwarded twice. Take that with whatever amount of salt is needed.

That would make a lot more sense.

And does anyone wonder why these guys never stay at a Motel 6 or Econo-Lodge? I'll bet they're getting billed over $100/head at the Marriot, even with their government discount. Ahh, to live as a leech on the blood of hard working victims. It's a good life for anyone without a conscience.

 

[pcosmar]

According to the other thread(s) about this, they are staying at the Vegas Marriott. It's one of those secrets that isn't a secret because a friend of a friend of a cop who spilled the beans sent an email that was forwarded twice. Take that with whatever amount of salt is needed.

A quick search shows that BLM used that venue quite often,, and has done so over the last few years..

I did find a video report of such also.



That said,,
There are many aware and prepped folks guarding that ranch.. and I doubt they will be surprised.
Militia Communications are nationwide, and in several forms.

 

[AuH20]

 

[ClydeCoulter]

That would make a lot more sense.

And does anyone wonder why these guys never stay at a Motel 6 or Econo-Lodge? I'll bet they're getting billed over $100/head at the Marriot, even with their government discount. Ahh, to live as a leech on the blood of hard working victims. It's a good life for anyone without a conscience.

Why aren't they in pup tents on the range? pfft.

 

[Carson]

Why aren't they in pup tents on the range? pfft.

Unlimited funds.

As long as they can loot and pillage us, they will continue to fire up the fake money presses and print up what ever it takes to get their way.

 

[Lucille]

I was thinking how they must have done this during calving season to inflict the most damage to his property. That calves vid they did was pretty sad.

Ron Paul Warns The Nevada Standoff Is A Symptom of Increasing Authoritarianism
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...-standoff-symptom-increasing-authoritarianism

Government ownership of land means that land is in theory owned by everyone, but in practice owned by no one. Thus, those who use the land lack the incentives to preserve it for the long term. As a result, land-use rules are set by politicians and bureaucrats. Oftentimes, the so-called “public” land is used in ways that benefit politically-powerful special interests.

Politicians and bureaucrats can, and will, arbitrarily change the rules governing the land. In the 19th currently, some Americans moved to Nevada because the government promised them that they, and their descendants, would always be able to use the federally-owned land. The Nevada ranchers believed they had an implied contract with the government allowing them to use the land for grazing. When government bureaucrats decided they needed to restrict grazing to protect the desert tortoise, they used force to drive most ranchers away.
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A government that continually violates our rights of property and contract can fairly be descried as authoritarian. Of course, the politicians and bureaucrats take offense at this term, but how else do you describe a government that forbids Americans from grazing cattle on land they have used for over a century, from buying health insurance that does not met Obamacare’s standards, from trading with Cuba, or even from drinking raw milk! That so many in DC support the NSA spying and the TSA assaults on our privacy shows the low regard that too many in government have for our rights.

History shows us that authoritarian systems, whether fascist, communist, or Keynesian, will inevitably fail. I believe incidents such as that in Nevada show we may be witnessing the failure of the American authoritarian warfare-welfare state -- and that of course would be good. This is why it so important that those of us who understand the freedom philosophy spread the truth about how statism caused our problems and why liberty is the only solution.

 

[pcosmar]

Everyone needs to keep watch on this.
There should be no such thing as Federal Land, save the few necessary buildings, ports or forts, as specifically allowed by the Constitution.
The Federal government,,by law,, can not own this land. Not by Law,,and not by Bureaucracy.

This is a gross overreach in Government that they have no business making.

And the Rhetoric is, is that they will not accept the terms of surrender.
And them "Fightin' Words" are coming is people that seem to have Too much Authority.
Authority that they do not have by law or by right.
And people are saying NO.

This is not over,, and people need to stay on their guard and on watch.

 

[chudrockz]

The "Bundy Ranch" FB page is acting weird today, for me at least. It loads up all nice and normal, then after ten seconds or so it "disappears" (screen turns white) and appears to be trying to load more stuff, and never does.

Now I have no idea if this is due to subterfuge, or data mining, or just our crappy break room computers. Maybe someone else who also "likes" their FB page could check it out.

 

[Deborah K]

The "Bundy Ranch" FB page is acting weird today, for me at least. It loads up all nice and normal, then after ten seconds or so it "disappears" (screen turns white) and appears to be trying to load more stuff, and never does.

Now I have no idea if this is due to subterfuge, or data mining, or just our crappy break room computers. Maybe someone else who also "likes" their FB page could check it out.

I'm not having any problems.

 

[Sonny Tufts]

The Federal government,,by law,, can not own this land. Not by Law,,and not by Bureaucracy.

Yes, it can. The land was acquired from Mexico by treaty, and the Constitution allows Congress to make whatever rules it wishes regarding the land.

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State. IV.3.2

 

[pcosmar]

Yes, it can. The land was acquired from Mexico by treaty, and the Constitution allows Congress to make whatever rules it wishes regarding the land.

NOPE,,
Not a territory. It is a State. And a county within a state. It is not owned or can be by the Fed.

Though in twisted legalese,, and by proxy, they have managed to do so for many years,,and based on decrees by various "agencies" within or in collusion with the Federal government.

It is wrong.