Armed Feds Prepare For Showdown With Nevada Cattle Rancher

Hell of a petition they got here:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...ainst-cliven-bundy-extent-law-allows/g6y7smks
we petition the obama administration to:

Enforce grazing laws against Cliven Bundy to the extent the law allows.


On April 12, 2014, US officials relinquished their power over federal lands in Nevada to a band of armed domestic terrorists, masquerading as "patriots", with regard to the illegal grazing being perpetrated for decades by one Cliven Bundy.

Mr. Bundy has exhausted years and years of due process, and continues not only to disregard US law, but also does not recognize the legitimacy of the United States government.

BLM should enforce its mandates under the law.

And Mr. Bundy and his band of insurrectionists should be prosecuted under the law for instigating armed insurrection against the USA, and for threatening the lives of federal officials.
 
More than meets the eye on the Bundy saga:

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/fromaranchersmouth.html

I live in SW Utah. I grew up on a ranch less than 100 miles from the Bundy's ranch. My father knows Cliven Bundy. I know Cliven's son Ryan. This is not a hoax, it is an action of force by the BLM.

The BLM was going to sell the cattle at one of the smallest cattle markets in Utah. No cattle markets in Nevada would take the cattle without a properly signed brand inspection (which the BLM cannot obtain without Cliven Bundy's signature). The BLM paid the owner of the Utah cattle market $300,000 to do the sale ('R' Livestock Connection in Monroe, Utah, owned by one Scott G. Robbins, according to the Utah Business Entity Search). Utah Governor Herbert stepped in and forbid them from bringing the cattle into Utah without the legally required health and brand inspections (which again, require Bundy's signature) and that no feral cattle are allowed to be imported at all (per Utah statute). Because Bundy claims ownership over maybe 350-500 head of branded cattle, the other 500-700 estimated head of cattle would all be considered feral. BLM officially backed off, but we suspect they are still secretly shipping them through Utah without any permission to do so, to "private" buyers in Colorado. The contract cowboys that the BLM hired to do the roundup are from Sampson Livestock in Meadow, Utah (traitors one and all).

From what I understand, Cliven Bundy owns both the Water Rights and Grazing Rights to all of the land where his cattle run. If Bundy failed to use them, the Grazing Rights would revert to the BLM and would be retired, while the Water Rights would revert to the State of Nevada, likely to be sold to the highest bidder (which would probably be a bidding war between mineral companies that are behind this action with the BLM and the City of Las Vegas which is thirsty for water and has had multiple attempts to buy water--through eminent domain from Utah farmers and ranchers--from Utah, which were all blocked by the Utah Legislature and Utah Governor Herbert). Chances are, the BLM has already filed a claim on the water rights so that they can sell to the highest bidder (instead of the state) and are trying to get the cattle off to show that Bundy cannot use the water beneficially (much like what the US Forest Service and BLM both tried to do to Wayne Hage).

Now, for Cliven Bundy, he's not fighting this for his cattle or his own livelihood. He recognizes that he will probably die before this fight is over. He has said multiple times that he is fighting this to wake people up about the tyranny of the Federal Government and also to help wake up the western states about getting the rights to their own land back from the federal government, which has repeatedly shut down ranchers and closed off land. (MO = 1st, get all the ranchers, farmers, Native Americans, and foresters that use the land for positive, sustainable production off of the land; 2nd, grab up all the resources; 3rd, close off the lands to public access including camping, hiking, horseback riding, hunting, fishing, boating, shooting, etc; 4th, sell off the resources to the highest bidder regardless of what that will do to the land, the local environment, or the economy; 5th, collect royalties on the resources in perpetuity; 6th, reduce and eliminate all SLS and PILT payments to the states, impoverishing them beyond belief.)

Anyway, thanks for posting about this. It is important for us to be able to raise the appropriate resistance.
 
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we petition the obama administration to:

Enforce grazing laws against Cliven Bundy to the extent the law allows.

On April 12, 2014, US officials relinquished their power over federal lands in Nevada to a band of armed domestic terrorists, masquerading as "patriots", with regard to the illegal grazing being perpetrated for decades by one Cliven Bundy.

Mr. Bundy has exhausted years and years of due process, and continues not only to disregard US law, but also does not recognize the legitimacy of the United States government.

BLM should enforce its mandates under the law.

And Mr. Bundy and his band of insurrectionists should be prosecuted under the law for instigating armed insurrection against the USA, and for threatening the lives of federal officials.


The propaganda arm is nothing if not effective....
 
NOPE,,
Not a territory. It is a State. And a county within a state. It is not owned or can be by the Fed.

The State of Nevada never acquired any rights to the land.

In the acrimonious case of Cliven Bundy, it is important that folks understand a bit about the history of the U.S. public lands. Cliven Bundy, the rancher whose cattle were rounded up and then released by the BLM over the weekend, claims that his family has used the land in question since 1880 but the Nevada Constitution pre-dates this by 16 years. When Nevada became a state in 1864, its citizens gave up all claims to unappropriated federal land and codified this in the state’s Constitution. The Nevada Constitution states:

“Third. That the people inhabiting said territory do agree and declare, that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States; …..”

If Bundy “owns the land then where is the deed? Where are the records he paid property taxes? It’s not his land. Bundy also claims that it his “right” to graze these BLM public lands. This is not the case. The Taylor Grazing Act of 1934 specifically states that the issuance of a grazing permit does not confer any right to graze or right to own the land. The Taylor Grazing Act is the granddaddy of the U.S. laws governing grazing on federal land. “Taylor” was a rancher and a congressman from Colorado, hardly someone to want government tyranny over ranching.

So far as consistent with the purposes and provisions of this subchapter, grazing privileges recognized and acknowledged shall be adequately safeguarded, but the creation of a grazing district or the issuance of a permit pursuant to the provisions of this subchapter shall not create any right, title, interest, or estate in or to the lands.

In Public Lands Council v. Babbitt the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the new grazing regulations promulgated by the Department of Interior under former Secretary of Interior Bruce Babbitt to conform to Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976 (FLPMA) and found:

The words “so far as consistent with the purposes . . . of this subchapter” and the warning that “issuance of a permit” creates no “right, title, interest or estate” make clear that the ranchers’ interest in permit stability cannot be absolute; and that the Secretary is free reasonably to determine just how, and the extent to which, “grazing privileges” shall be safeguarded, in light of the Act’s basic purposes. Of course, those purposes include “stabiliz[ing] the livestock industry,” but they also include “stop[ping] injury to the public grazing lands by preventing overgrazing and soil deterioration,” and “provid[ing] for th[e] orderly use, improvement, and development” of the public range.

He has no “right” to graze it. The federal courts have struck down every challenge Bundy has made about his claims, and has issued not one, but two, court orders to remove his trespass cattle. It’s not his land and he has no right to graze it. The simple truth of the matter is that Bundy is a freeloading, welfare rancher who has an inflated sense of entitlement. It also appears that he and his supporters’ use of threats and intimidation likely violated several federal laws. Inasmuch as they used (such as pointed) weapons to cause the government back down, it can be considered an armed insurrection. What about Bundy’s claim that his forebears bought the land he is now accused of trespass grazing upon? This land was once Mexican land, and was won by the United States after the Mexican-American War. It is part of what is known as the “Mexican Cession.” All of Nevada, California, Arizona and most of New Mexico were part of the Cession. Much of this land was privatized under various grants and laws such as the Homestead Act and the Desert Lands Act, plus mining claims. Several million acres were granted to Nevada for state lands, but those lands that were not privatized have always been Mexican lands or United States lands owned by the U.S. government. Before the Taylor Grazing Act, these government lands were called “the public domain.” They could be privatized, as mentioned, under the Homestead Act and such, but the acreage allowed per homesteader was limited to 160 acres. There were no 158,000 acre homestead privatizations and certainly no 750,000 acre privatizations. Livestock owners ran their livestock freely without a permit on the public domain. They didn’t even need a home base of property (a ranch). The result was disaster because the operator to find green grass and eat it first won out, promoting very bad grazing practices. That was the reason for Taylor Grazing Act — ranchers and others could see the public domain system led to disaster on the ground. Therefore, the more powerful ranchers with “base” private property received grazing permits. This got rid of the landless livestock operators. Taylor Grazing was administered on the ground by the U.S. Grazing Service. Now, ranchers with grazing permits had to pay a grazing fee to use their permits. Bundy’s ancestors probably got one of these grazing permits, but they most certainly did not buy the land. That was not possible. The public domain was not for sale and ranchers generally did not want it. After all, if they owned it, they would owe local property tax. In 1948 the Bureau of Land Management was created by executive order of President Truman to replace the Grazing Service. The Service had been defunded in a dispute between the House and the U.S. Senate. The BLM has since been affirmed by law rather than a mere executive order. It is supposed to manage the public lands for multiple uses and for sustained production (“yield”) of renewable resources such as grass. As before, you need a grazing permit for cattle, sheep, goats, or horses to legally graze. It is a privilege, not a right, and this has been firmly stated by the U.S. courts. Hopefully, this explains why Bundy’s assertions are wrong. It is too bad that few citizens are taught public land law or history in high school or college. We think it is vital for everyone to know these things because these are in a real sense your lands, held in trust by the government. Yes we know the government often does a poor job. They did in Bundy’s case by letting this go for 20 years. He should have been gone before the year 2000.

http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2014...o-claim-to-federal-land-and-grazing/#comments
 
Be Warned: We’re Closer to a Civil War in the West than You Think
For years, the West has been boiling - and Cliven Bundy is just the thermometer in the pot.
http://www.aleteia.org/en/politics/...-in-the-west-than-you-think-5337140405731328?

If you took a map of the United States and colored the federally-owned land in red it would appear as if the American West was bleeding. Or on fire.

It is.
[...]
For decades we’ve endured schemes, both unrealized and implemented, that stagger common sense: The Big Open, The Buffalo Commons, mustangs (feral horses), introduction of non-native wolves, free-roaming bison, one endangered species crisis after another, and it could all come to a fiery conclusion with the Greater Sage-Grouse, if not before.

The Greater Sage-Grouse is one of several wild fowl that could be placed on the Protected Species List in September of 2015. I choose it for my example because I know the bird. I can see them daily if I want to. The Sage-Grouse habitat area is said to be 186 million acres spread over 11 western states. Of this, 40% is on private land.

The Endangered Species Act is the big hammer. ‘Private land be damned,’ is its mantra. If Cliven Bundy is fighting mad over land that is questionably his, wait until the nation sees what happens if thousands of ranchers and farmers on deeded ground face removal or unrealistic restrictions.

Then the West will glow red. People are already talking civil war, though armed resistance may be what they really mean. But the frustration is buried so deep and the love of freedom so intense, that some seem itching for the shooting to begin. The Bundy incident remains unresolved and new details surface daily that will fuel both sides.

Reason is lost somewhere in this. If anyone is arriving in a white hat, he’s yet to be seen.

Meanwhile, the West is boiling and Clive Bundy is simply the thermometer in the pot.

h/t http://www.strike-the-root.com/ which links to several Bundy-related pieces today, and an essay on rights we don't have:

"American rights are a theory; no scientific measuring device can prove their existence."

http://www.strike-the-root.com/rights-stuff

For all practical purposes, soldiers were deployed on the US side in this beef. There were about 200 of them up against the cowboy and his wife. The army of rustlers, roughly at company strength in military terms, were armed, teched up to the teeth and taking his herd at one point. If those turtles can’t share 150 square miles of scrub with less than 1,000 head of cattle, it doesn’t sound like they had much of a chance to begin with.

In any case, as bets go, it’s a shoo-in that your government would be fighting for rats long before ever stooping to defend your rights. Bundy’s son was arrested for filming the action outside a designated “free-speech zone.” The government insisted people must be fenced off in the middle of the Mojave Desert before they could safely express themselves. Ask them, not Webster, the definition of “abridging speech.” The original plan must have been to control any images going public in the showdown. When that proved impossible, they decided to back off. The ruling class has no qualms about facing down peasants with pitchforks. The truth is another matter.

Discretion is the better part of valor, and 99% of public relations. Fortunately, the joint anti-American task force deployed at Bunkerville never ended up gunning anyone down; their bosses’ bosses had to worry about future elections.
 
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The propaganda arm is nothing if not effective....

After 11 days, they only have a little over a thousand signatures. Doesn't seem very effective to me. I am seriously thinking about launching a negative campaign against Reid. If the internet becomes saturated with accurate information about all of his dealings, lies, and targeting, the MSM will ultimately have to pay attention at some point. I don't think it will take much for Fox to jump on factual information about him, they can't collectively stand the guy. Anyone who can punitively call peaceful Americans 'domestic terrorists' needs to be 'swift boated' - and SOON.
 
After 11 days, they only have a little over a thousand signatures. Doesn't seem very effective to me. I am seriously thinking about launching a negative campaign against Reid. If the internet becomes saturated with accurate information about all of his dealings, lies, and targeting, the MSM will ultimately have to pay attention at some point. I don't think it will take much for Fox to jump on factual information about him, they can't collectively stand the guy. Anyone who can punitively call peaceful Americans 'domestic terrorists' needs to be 'swift boated' - and SOON.

Harry Greed is a traitor.
 
The State of Nevada never acquired any rights to the land.
No.
I am saying that the federal government never owned the land. But that they have pretended and bullied them selves into that position.
Laws have been written on top of laws that should not exist, and written by agencies to hold authority and make laws over land that they did not own.

It is not Constitutionally Allowed for them to own it. They have no right to take it.
 
There is no constitutional issue.

Yes there is.
There is a Constitutional Issue.

The Fed is not allowed to own it.. and any law that says otherwise is not a law.

The constitution states exactly what the Fed can own.

This ain't it.. It is not one of the things that the constitution ALLOWS the Fed to own.
It is not allowed. Any "Law" that says otherwise is contested on the fact that it is not allowed.

The constitution Allows government only certain things,, it confers no powers,, it is meant to limit them.
 
They won a war with Mexico and acquired the land by treaty. There is no constitutional issue.

I'm sorry, I appear to have missed the "Spoils of war: bloodshed bounties belong to Congress" section. Would you mind terribly pointing out the Article and Section that authorizes this kind of behavior?
 
That doesn't sound constitutional to me.

I don't see why not. Congress has the power to declare war, the President is CIC of the armed forces, and the President and the Senate can authorize treaties. What's the constitutional problem?
 
I'm sorry, I appear to have missed the "Spoils of war: bloodshed bounties belong to Congress" section. Would you mind terribly pointing out the Article and Section that authorizes this kind of behavior?

Sure. Article I, Section 8, Clause 11; Article II, Section 2, Clauses 1 and 2; and Article IV, Section 3, Clause 2.
 
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Constitutional Sheriff Brad Rogers of Elkhart County, Indiana spoke at the Bundy ranch. Featuring an introduction by Stewart Rhodes of Oathkeepers.


I connected with Brad Rogers a few years ago on FB, and I have to say - celebrity Sheriffs can celebrity all they want, but Brad Rogers is the best Oath-keeping Constitutional Sheriff we've got in America right now. Thanks, and +Rep
 
I don't see why not. Congress has the power to declare war, the President is CIC of the armed forces, and the President and the Senate can authorize treaties. What's the constitutional problem?

The acquisition of the land.
 
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