Armed Feds Prepare For Showdown With Nevada Cattle Rancher

[klamath]

You have a gift for the obvious.

Which was in response to someone saying people weren't going there to die on that hill.

Opinion courtesy of your crystal ball?

Really? Do you even have a clue just how much firepower can be brought against a few militia members with small arms. Get a clue.

You think? I will tell you what I think: you're smoking things you ought leave alone. A majority of Americans put a lunatic in the Oval Office not once, but twice. A vast plurality wants to have his babies and defend his "record" no matter how dismal a failure it is. They are hopelessly bereft of intellect, integrity, honesty, or any other virtue you may care to name. They are cowards of the lowest order, by and large, and will do NOTHING no matter the trespass.

Unlike 90% of the people around here I don't smoke that stuff. You are right that there is no guarantee that the public would turn against the feds but I still maintain that you have a whole lot better chance of winning the public opinion war if it isn't a two sided gun war.

Which is, of course, nonsense... unless you can provide factual figures proving that 90% of all armies that have engaged in battle have been killed, in which case I will have to concede the point, but not until then.

We are not talking about national armies, we are talking about small bands of revolutionaries pitting themselves against a public that is 70-80-90% against them and supporting the feds.

 

[Origanalist]

We are not talking about national armies, we are talking about small bands of revolutionaries pitting themselves against a public that is 70-80-90% against them and supporting the feds.

Do you have anything to justify that statement?

 

[ghengis86]

Don't know if its been posted previously but they're having a meeting with the county sheriff at 9am. The Bundy Ranch Facebook page has the updates. FYI

 

[tod evans]

Do you have anything to justify that statement?

I haven't spoke to one man against standing up to the feds..

Admittedly my circle is small and local though...

 

[AuH20]

A report from Bunkersville:

I just arrived at the ranch at 0340. So far my phone and iPad are indicating good reception. I drove by the LEO compound on the way in to Mesquite to fill up on fuel. They have generators with flood lights at their entrance. It looks like something reminiscent to Iraq with the way they have their vehicle entry point set up. The barricades are set up to ensure a vehicle can’t penetrate the main gate. They even have a dump truck parked across the entrance to the compound – to further prevent a VBIED attack?

As I drove further down the road I could see flood lights illuminating the dry riverbed. It appears they have an inner and outer perimeter and a third perimeter of early warning equipment. The LEO compound is more than a compound. It is a fire base, pure and simple.

There are 3 satellite news vans parked at the entrance. So far I have seen about 100 cars parked along side the rode. People are sleeping in tents and in their vehicles. I have made friends with the family parked next to me. They said they are from from Utah, Mom and her 2 teenage girls, an older brother and his roommate. All are open carrying.

Going to crash out in the truck. The rally starts at 9. Will try to send updates as I get new useful info.

 

[klamath]

Do you have anything to justify that statement?

Do you have Anything saying people support a violent overthrow of the government??? 7 years after Waco the public still supported the feds over the dividians. At the time 70% supported the Feds.
Read the freaking comments after any article on this! The left solidly support the feds over the right wing extremists and a good portion of the urban republicans are calling Bundy a welfare recipient because he is getting free grazing rights without paying for it and breaking the law and court orders..

 

[limequat]

During the American Revolution 70% supported the crown.

 

[Origanalist]

Do you have Anything saying people support a violent overthrow of the government??? 7 years after Waco the public still supported the feds over the dividians. At the time 70% supported the Feds.
Read the freaking comments after any article on this! The left solidly support the feds over the right wing extremists and a good portion of the urban republicans are calling Bundy a welfare recipient because he is getting free grazing rights without paying for it and breaking the law and court orders..

That's a pretty big leap from defending a rancher from being driven off his land for the pretext of saving the turtles so Harry Reid and his son can cash in to supporting a "violent overthrow of the government".

It seems to me the major threats of violence are coming from the government.

Read the comments at the link pcosmar posted in another thread,
https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/...-manages-insult-utahns-comments-bundy-roundup

 

[AuH20]

During the American Revolution 70% supported the crown.

Yup. 30% of 300+ million is a big problem for the Feds. A HUGE PROBLEM. I'm not saying those 30% will lend themselves to actively participate but it's not an encouraging trend from their perspective. The mouth breathers housed in the various cities are a lost cause. They are dead men walking. Can't worry about them.

 

[AuH20]

Right on cue

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[klamath]

That's a pretty big leap from defending a rancher from being driven off his land for the pretext of saving the turtles so Harry Reid and his son can cash in to supporting a "violent overthrow of the government".

The "70-80-90%" was a general statement about a armed revolution and wasn't necessarily about Bundy
Also please don't confuse the issue. It is NOT bundy's land they are taking it is the rights he has had for over a hundred to use PUBLIC land, Calling it his land discredits his case.

 

[AuH20]

A continued series of abuses

 

[klamath]

During the American Revolution 70% supported the crown.

Where's your polling on that?

 

[CaseyJones]

 

[Origanalist]

Well, I'm outta here. I need to get to work so I can donate to those that can be there.

 

[Voluntarist]

xxxxx

 

[pcosmar]

Don't know if this is serious or a ploy..

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25230...le-cattle-battle-between-cliven-bundy-and-blm

LAS VEGAS -- A major development is percolating in the showdown at the Bundy ranch in Bunkerville, Nevada -- a possible deal is in the works. It's an 8 News Now exclusive.

The I-Team has learned that a tentative deal has been brokered by Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie to de-escalate the tense standoff between rancher Cliven Bundy and his supporters and the Bureau of Land Management.

Sources tell the I-Team that Sheriff Gillespie has negotiated a potential agreement in which the BLM would halt its roundup of Bundy's cattle and withdraw its employees from the Gold Butte area.

I guess it is "yet to be seen".

 

[limequat]

Where's your polling on that?

Courtesy of John Adams:

http://hnn.us/article/5641

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Forget violent methods. They're doomed to fail. They'll get people killed. And they'll only turn the public against the cause.

The kind of courage we really need people to have here is the courage of nonviolent resistance. All these people who want to go help should go unarmed, line themselves up around this man's family and cattle, kneel down, show their hands, hold out flowers and other signs of peace to the police, have a prayer vigil, make the government agents arrest them by the hundreds, and get this all on video.

If America is ever going to rise up, then this is the kind of thing that would precipitate it. It always has been. The Boston Massacre. Less on point Lexington Green. Remember in V for Vendetta where that little girl was the trigger. It's human psychology and western morality. For all those who keep asking if it is time yet, it will be something like what erowe describes here that will make America decide that it's time.

 

[Lucille]

It made ZH.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-11/guest-post-real-americans-are-ready-snap

There are those who might argue that America crossed the “red line” long ago and now our society is simply rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic while arguing over futile semantics. In certain respects, I can see their point. The U.S. political system is utterly lost. Anyone who still has faith in the Left/Right paradigm after two terms of George W. Bush and nearly two terms of Barack Obama is either insane, or mentally challenged. It should be obvious to Republicans and Democrats alike that our government does NOT represent the average man, and our election process is a sham. Democrats in particular should be equally furious and ashamed as the candidate they blindly worshiped to the point of cultism has now forsaken every value they thought he represented.

The legal apparatus of the U.S. is also beyond repair. Those in the mainstream who argue that grievances with government should be addressed by the courts instead of independent action obviously have not considered that the courts continuously uphold and defend legislation like that contained within the NDAA, which allows for rendition, torture, and even assassination of American citizens without trial or due process. And where are the prosecutions of Constitutional violations by the NSA? Why aren't men like James Clapper in prison for lying directly to Congress. Why hasn't Eric Holder been slapped in irons for his involvement with “Fast and Furious”? And what about the international financiers who back these politicians? How many of them have been prosecuted for their involvement in the toxic derivatives scandals that are destroying our economy to this day?

No, we lost the courts a long time ago. They will do nothing to save this country. But is the fight already over? I think not.

Nihilism is tempting for those people who are lazy and frightened and looking for a philosophical excuse to run away from making a stand. Claiming the fight is lost before it has truly begun is a longstanding tradition amongst millions upon millions of cowards through history. Every freedom fighter in every great revolution for liberty has heard the same arguments that we hear today – “It's too late to change things. The enemy is too powerful and you will be crushed. The nail that sticks up will eventually be hammered down. Your movement is a minority on the fringe and no one will support you. None of you have the guts to really follow through...”