Armed Feds Prepare For Showdown With Nevada Cattle Rancher

Never not...

I agree, go read that...best summation of these events I've found yet.

Not to mention the deep context Grigg provides - with respect to both "recent" history (the Dept. of Interior policies of Babbitt's secretaryship, for example) and "older" history (Sherman/Sheridan, "manifest destiny" & Indian policy, etc.).
 
Not to mention the deep context Grigg provides - with respect to both "recent" history (the Dept. of Interior policies of Babbitt's secretaryship, for example) and "older" history (Sherman/Sheridan, "manifest destiny" & Indian policy, etc.).

The best political weapon is the weapon of terror. Cruelty commands respect. Men may hate us. But, we don't ask for their love; only for their fear. - Heinrich Himmler
 
Originally Posted by klamath

the majority of the comments were against Bundy even in Vegas

How many of those commenters are on the Government payroll?

Like the Cops or Copsuckers that comment on Police abuse articles?
 
Forget violent methods. They're doomed to fail. They'll get people killed. And they'll only turn the public against the cause.

The kind of courage we really need people to have here is the courage of nonviolent resistance. All these people who want to go help should go unarmed, line themselves up around this man's family and cattle, kneel down, show their hands, hold out flowers and other signs of peace to the police, have a prayer vigil, make the government agents arrest them by the hundreds, and get this all on video.
 
Forget violent methods. They're doomed to fail. They'll get people killed. And they'll only turn the public against the cause.

The kind of courage we really need people to have here is the courage of nonviolent resistance. All these people who want to go help should go unarmed, line themselves up around this man's family and cattle, kneel down, show their hands, hold out flowers and other signs of peace to the police, have a prayer vigil, make the government agents arrest them by the hundreds, and get this all on video.

LOL
 
Forget violent methods. They're doomed to fail. They'll get people killed. And they'll only turn the public against the cause.

The kind of courage we really need people to have here is the courage of nonviolent resistance. All these people who want to go help should go unarmed, line themselves up around this man's family and cattle, kneel down, show their hands, hold out flowers and other signs of peace to the police, have a prayer vigil, make the government agents arrest them by the hundreds, and get this all on video.

Don't know many country folk do you?
 
Those who forget history, are doomed to repeat it...

look up KENT STATE MASSACRE.

hippies with flowers protesting the Vietnam War...murdered by NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS....wake the fuck up...
 
Those who forget history, are doomed to repeat it...

look up KENT STATE MASSACRE.

hippies with flowers protesting the Vietnam War...murdered by NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS....wake the fuck up...

Is the thinking here that people who go there with guns and shoot back at the cops are less likely to get killed?

Those hippies at Kent State accomplished a lot more by dying than they would have by killing.
 
If you're not sure, then you probably don't. And they aren't exactly the flower power type.

They can change. I'm not a big fan of the victim line, "I can't make the choice to do the right thing because that's just not who I am."

Plus, what's being "country folk" have to do with it? People are traveling in from far away. There's not a rule on who can come from where.

I'm just giving the prescription for what needs to happen if anybody actually wants to do any good.

Also, does Clarence Jordan count as "country folk"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Jordan
 
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I get that I look stupid to all the internet tough guys.

What we really need is a leader of Ron Paul's stature to get involved and rally people to do something like what I said.

Does anybody have any doubt which approach he would endorse?
 
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Watch this (as a refresher) from 25:00 to 27:00





Very big bump.

Clyde this deserves it's own thread. Most of us were attracted to Ron Paul because we are libertarians. In 2007, I didn't understand RP's obssession with the Federal Reserve. I found out with in a year. But regular reminders are needed especially as new people join the forum.

+REP
 
Flowers and Kumbuya don't really hold any significance...

It's not the flowers and kumbaya. It's the peaceful resistance, the willing submission to evil, the unmistakable clarity of showing that you are on the side of good and they are not, the frustrating of their agenda by proving that even when they use their most powerful weapons against you to force you to buckle to their wishes or take on their methods you will instead look back at them and say, "Is that all you got?"
 
They can change.

Plus, what's being "country folk" have to do with it? People are traveling in from far away. There's not a rule on who can come from where.

I'm just giving the prescription for what needs to happen if anybody actually wants to do any good.

Also, does Clarence Jordan count as "country folk"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Jordan

I get what you're saying, and of course there are non-violent types in the country. However, I do not think that is who is going to be drawn to this ranchers aid.
 
It's not the flowers and kumbaya. It's the peaceful resistance, the willing submission to evil, the unmistakable clarity of showing that you are on the side of good and they are not, the frustrating of their agenda by proving that even when they use their most powerful weapons against you to force you to buckle to their wishes or take on their methods you will instead look back at them and say, "Is that all you got?"

Sorry dude I'm not built like that...
 
I get that I look stupid to all the internet tough guys.

What we really need is a leader of Ron Paul's stature to get involved and rally people to do something like what I said.

Does anybody have any doubt which approach he would endorse?

Has Ron weighed in on this?
 
Is the thinking here that people who go there with guns and shoot back at the cops are less likely to get killed?

Those hippies at Kent State accomplished a lot more by dying than they would have by killing.

some run from fire.....others run toward it....

on your knees or on your feet. Doesn't seem to make much difference what 'strategy' you subscribe to in stemming the tide of tyranny...flower power or 'fuck you' power...

this 'incident with Bundy is striking a chord with Patriots....rightfully so.
 
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...anding-nevada-ranch-family-in-fedgov-face-off

On a closer examination, the case against Cliven Bundy is not the open-and-shut case the federal government, the media, and the environmental activist groups, such as the Center for Biological Diversity, make it out to be. As California State University criminology professor Jason Kissner pointed out in a column for American Thinker yesterday, it is the Obama administration’s BLM and Attorney General Eric Holder that are engaged in “brazen lawlessness.” Federal officials are exploiting the fact that few Americans understand the legal complexities of the “split estate,” “prior appropriation doctrine,” and other principles governing water rights, grazing rights, and other land use/property rights on “public” and private lands, that are different in the arid West than in other parts of the country.

The current battle between the Bundys and the Feds is a replay of the decades-long confrontation between various federal agencies and the late Wayne Hage, the Nevada rancher/liberty activist/scholar who won multiple court victories and landmark decisions against federal overreach. In an interview with The New American in 2002, Hage explained the important legal distinctions that govern property rights in the West, particularly as they apply to so-called public lands.

For years, the Hage family had been subjected to threats, intimidation, and fines, and — like the Bundys — had their cattle illegally confiscated by federal agents. And, as with the Bundys, the Hages were portrayed by the Feds and their compliant media shills as scofflaws and environmental criminals who deserved to be thrown into the slammer. Last year, as we reported, a federal court once again vindicated the Hages, although by that time Wayne Hage and his wife, former Congresswoman Helen Chenoweth-Hage, had both passed away six years earlier.

Chief Judge Robert C. Jones of the Federal District Court of Nevada issued a blistering decision that charged officials of the BLM and other agencies with malicious and criminal conduct, and actually engaging in a decades-long “conspiracy” against the Hages.

Judge Jones said he found that “the government and the agents of the government in that locale, sometime in the ’70s and ’80s, entered into a conspiracy, a literal, intentional conspiracy, to deprive the Hages of not only their permit grazing rights, for whatever reason, but also to deprive them of their vested property rights under the takings clause, and I find that that’s a sufficient basis to hold that there is irreparable harm if I don’t ... restrain the government from continuing in that conduct.”

"In the present case,” declared Judge Jones, “the Government's actions over the past two decades shock the conscience of the Court."

The findings of Judge Jones in the Hage case should be borne in mind as tensions mount in Clark County, where the actions of the BLM are shocking the conscience of the entire nation. Thanks to hundreds of the Bundy family’s friends, neighbors, and relatives who are posting videos of the federal “occupation” on social media, as well as the widespread attention being focused on this case by independent media, the actions of the BLM and the Obama administration cannot remain hidden behind the barricades, road blocks, and armed agents.

Hage discussed here also. http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/62362

Related, I don't know who the Barbie twins are, but they claim the BLM is killing wild horses in the most inhumane ways, also for Harry Reid's green energy business cronies.
 
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