Armed Feds Prepare For Showdown With Nevada Cattle Rancher

[fr33]

Why did they bring weapons then? As far as I have seen bundy is saying not to bring weapons?

If more of the activists heading that way were closer when it happened maybe it wouldn't have ended that way. Maybe it's not as organized as you'd like it to be but I bet you're sitting on your butt while critiquing them so stfu.

 

[AuH20]

Mass weapon confiscation reports debunked by Sandman:

I have assets on the ground, the State Police are watching the I15, but not acting over-zealous. There are NO roadblocks or Checkpoints set up currently. About 1000 pro-liberty folks onsite. Including Militia, IIIpers, Oathkeepers and locals.

And for those traveling, NV STATE Law prohibits long guns with one in the chamber. Just secure your arms and don’t be an idiot.

That story comes out of a Group called Operation Mutual Aid (OMA) The call themselves a Militia and are good at getting on TV but they are not part of OUR network. The story was a Militiaman’s (Ryan Payne) brother and his wife and kids got pulled. He apparently had loaded weapons and “supposedly” the State Troopers took them. I have never had good relations with OMA. They stir shit up and put out a lot of sensationalist crap. I call BS on anything originating from them.

 

[AuH20]

Got this today. FWIW, four dudes i know have suited up and left. they are not your usual basement dwellers. each can hit a gnat on a fly's ass from 1500 meters. they have their kits and are rolling. two of them have barretts but i hope they left them at home.

God bless Ronnie Barrett! .50 cal can tear a man in half at the right angle.

 

[klamath]

The feds have declared the area a war zone.

Why would a sane citizen set foot in a federal war zone unarmed unless he had every intention of becoming a martyr?

Because every person there WILL be a Martyr armed or not. Having guns won't stop that. The amount of firepower the feds can bring down on those people will ensure that.
just read an article from a los Vegas newspaper. the majority of the comments were against Bundy even in Vegas.

 

[klamath]

If more of the activists heading that way were closer when it happened maybe it wouldn't have ended that way. Maybe it's not as organized as you'd like it to be but I bet you're sitting on your butt while critiquing them so stfu.

Are you there? are you there posting from the Bundy ranch? If not STFU.

 

[AuH20]

The Department of Serial Liars Neither Confirms Nor Denies that they have Euthanized Mr. Bundy's property:

http://freebeacon.com/issues/blm-wont-say-if-theyve-euthanized-cows-in-ranch-standoff/

Amy Lueders, the Nevada state director for the BLM, said in a conference call Thursday evening that the agency does have a “protocol,” but would not release any numbers for animals they have found dead or that they have euthanized.

A reporter asked about heavy construction equipment that was seen coming in and out of the blockade, and whether cattle have been found dead, injured, or euthanized during the operation.

“In terms of the number that we’ve found, animals who are, I think, deceased on the range, or if we’ve had to euthanize an animal, we don’t have an answer to that question at this time,” Lueders said. “We will euthanize an animal during the impoundment if they exhibit dangerous characteristics, threaten the health and safety of the employees, display a hopeless prognosis for life.”

“So, we do have a protocol in terms of when we would euthanize animals,” she said. “But we don’t have any answers at this time in terms of the numbers.”

Lueders said she understood that the heavy equipment was being used to “restore land that has been affected by the trespass cattle.”

 

[fr33]

Are you there? are you there posting from the Bundy ranch? If not STFU.

The obvious difference is that I'm not ordering them around and acting all high and mighty.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Never made the claim this was a game, Klamath. And I doubt the men who had their weapons confiscated believed it was a game either. They just chose not to open fire. I don't think that necessarily makes them cowards. That is MY point.

Not cowards but I see that as mostly useless. I really just don't see the point of just sitting there and letting them kill you. The only thing these aggressors understand is violence, and if one is not willing to show them that there is a risk of being killed when you invade someone's property in this way, I don't really see the point of trying at all.

 

[osan]

Yah, I think the idea is that if enough non-violent people show up, the BLM will back down.

Which all rational and minimally clued-in adults know is just this side of "never happen". Backing down is something the fedgov no longer does, and if you think about it, never really has.

It seems that this is going to end in only one of two ways: WE back down as per the usual, of people start going home in body bags on both sides.

If we back down, BLM does its do and then goes away. Perhaps Bundy is left alive - perhaps not. Nothing new there, most likely.

If we do not back down, BLM will escalate and perhaps call in the backup from ATF, FBI, and so forth. If we refuse to stand down, they will escalate further and this will go on until we quit or the escalation passes the threshold of containment at which point someone is going to start something that will get out of hand rapidly. Once the shooting starts, loss of the least vestige of linearity ensues and behold, a free-for-all. At that point people start dying and getting maimed, etc. and heaven knoly knows where that leads, though possibly nowhere good depending on how things play out.

If "we" win, the feds will be in a fury to pass new legislation and adopt new policies directed toward the goal of disarming us in every sense of the word. The gloves may then be said to have come off, unless these apparently impatient bastards actually are not. But I think Theye will be wildly attempting to get our weapons after such a tête-à-tête and I would anticipate a vigorous, if piecemeal program of door to door confiscation, replete with whatever violence Theye will deem necessary to get the job done including uncharacteristic non-equivocation regarding what awaits those who refuse to cooperate. In the wake of such a fight I see Themme as holding the most brazen pretext for "no mercy" and we will be truly at the nexus and it will be do or capitulate in toto because these bastards will treat us as were the Japanese treated at the end of the Pacific war: unconditional surrender or we will annihilate your species from the planet.

I think "we" will back down. I hope we don't. I don't think Theye will back down. I hope they do. But if it comes to violence, I hope we send them ALL home in ziplock bags because enough is enough already.

 

[AuH20]

Not cowards but I see that as mostly useless. I really just don't see the point of just sitting there and letting them kill you. The only thing these aggressors understand is violence, and if one is not willing to show them that there is a risk of being killed when you invade someone's property in this way, I don't really see the point of trying at all.

I think this is largely about unmasking the tyrant to the public. Force them to escalate and use air power. I hate to say it, but there is a part of me that wants to see hellfire missiles rain down on that ranch. It will be the gift of all gifts. I hope everyone who's going there is aware of the game that is afoot.

 

[pcosmar]

But if it comes to violence, I hope we send them ALL home in ziplock bags because enough is enough already.

 

[klamath]

The obvious difference is that I'm not ordering them around and acting all high and mighty.

You obviously have no clue what ordering is. Do I have the power the initiate UCMJ action against those people for not obeying me? NO. So STFU.

 

[Deborah K]

Not cowards but I see that as mostly useless. I really just don't see the point of just sitting there and letting them kill you. The only thing these aggressors understand is violence, and if one is not willing to show them that there is a risk of being killed when you invade someone's property in this way, I don't really see the point of trying at all.

Do you even know what Klamath, Pericles and I are debating about?

 

[Deborah K]

Which all rational and minimally clued-in adults know is just this side of "never happen". Backing down is something the fedgov no longer does, and if you think about it, never really has.

It seems that this is going to end in only one of two ways: WE back down as per the usual, of people start going home in body bags on both sides.

If we back down, BLM does its do and then goes away. Perhaps Bundy is left alive - perhaps not. Nothing new there, most likely.

If we do not back down, BLM will escalate and perhaps call in the backup from ATF, FBI, and so forth. If we refuse to stand down, they will escalate further and this will go on until we quit or the escalation passes the threshold of containment at which point someone is going to start something that will get out of hand rapidly. Once the shooting starts, loss of the least vestige of linearity ensues and behold, a free-for-all. At that point people start dying and getting maimed, etc. and heaven knoly knows where that leads, though possibly nowhere good depending on how things play out.

If "we" win, the feds will be in a fury to pass new legislation and adopt new policies directed toward the goal of disarming us in every sense of the word. The gloves may then be said to have come off, unless these apparently impatient bastards actually are not. But I think Theye will be wildly attempting to get our weapons after such a tête-à-tête and I would anticipate a vigorous, if piecemeal program of door to door confiscation, replete with whatever violence Theye will deem necessary to get the job done including uncharacteristic non-equivocation regarding what awaits those who refuse to cooperate. In the wake of such a fight I see Themme as holding the most brazen pretext for "no mercy" and we will be truly at the nexus and it will be do or capitulate in toto because these bastards will treat us as were the Japanese treated at the end of the Pacific war: unconditional surrender or we will annihilate your species from the planet.

I think "we" will back down. I hope we don't. I don't think Theye will back down. I hope they do. But if it comes to violence, I hope we send them ALL home in ziplock bags because enough is enough already.

 

[osan]

If you go there you better be ready to die on that hill.

You have a gift for the obvious.

It cannot be won with firepower at the bundy ranch.

Opinion courtesy of your crystal ball?

It will be won if the feds gun down a bunch of innocent unarmed protesters. The American will in mass turn against the feds.

You think? I will tell you what I think: you're smoking things you ought leave alone. A majority of Americans put a lunatic in the Oval Office not once, but twice. A vast plurality wants to have his babies and defend his "record" no matter how dismal a failure it is. They are hopelessly bereft of intellect, integrity, honesty, or any other virtue you may care to name. They are cowards of the lowest order, by and large, and will do NOTHING no matter the trespass.

ANYTIME you pick up arms to fight there is a 90% chance YOU WILL not survive to see the fruits of the war whatever that might be.

Which is, of course, nonsense... unless you can provide factual figures proving that 90% of all armies that have engaged in battle have been killed, in which case I will have to concede the point, but not until then.

 

[AuH20]

No Fly Zone has been erected. What did I tell you? They need a realtime battlefield picture:

http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/notam_actual_4_1687.html

FDC 4/1687 ZLA NV..AIRSPACE MESQUITE, NV..TEMPORARY FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS WITHIN AREA DEFINED AS 3NM RADIUS OF 364624N/1141113W (MMM71 RADIAL AT 4.3NM) SFC-3000FT AGL LAW ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATION. PURSUANT TO 14 CFR SECTION 91.137(A)(1) TEMPORARY FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS ARE IN EFFECT. ONLY RELIEF AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS UNDER DIRECTION OF BLM ARE AUTHORIZED IN THE AIRSPACE. BLM TELEPHONE 702-335-3191 IS IN CHARGE OF ON SCENE EMERGENCY RESPONSE ACTIVITY. LOS ANGELES /ZLA/ ARTCC TELEPHONE 661-265-8205 IS THE FAA COORDINATION FACILITY. 1404112140-1405111434

 

[AuH20]

FBI is on the scene in some capacity. More info as I get it..

 

[CaseyJones]

Auction houses in Nevada and now Utah are refusing to accept Bundy cattle delivered by BLM

http://beforeitsnews.com/tea-party/...vo-to-nevada-utah-auction-houses-2524772.html

http://www.thespectrum.com/article/...0025/BLM-responds-to-ultimatum?nclick_check=1

 

[2young2vote]

I think this is largely about unmasking the tyrant to the public. Force them to escalate and use air power. I hate to say it, but there is a part of me that wants to see hellfire missiles rain down on that ranch. It will be the gift of all gifts. I hope everyone who's going there is aware of the game that is afoot.

After the MSM and various government officials call them terrorists, thieves, and racists, over and over and over again, the average American will view a bombing of the ranch as nothing more than our precious government protecting us from the crazies. It will mean nothing if we don't spread the truth of the matter. I've been talking with my family about the situation. Tomorrow I will tell my co-workers about it, and tomorrow night I will make sure my friends know about it. Hopefully I can get a leg-up on the government lovers who will no doubt be spreading their beliefs throughout the MSM if anything big happens.

 

[AuH20]

After the MSM and various government officials call them terrorists, thieves, and racists, over and over and over again, the average American will view a bombing of the ranch as nothing more than our precious government protecting us from the crazies. It will mean nothing if we don't spread the truth of the matter. I've been talking with my family about the situation. Tomorrow I will tell my co-workers about it, and tomorrow night I will make sure my friends know about it. Hopefully I can get a leg-up on the government lovers who will no doubt be spreading their beliefs throughout the MSM if anything big happens.

But any such escalation still won't align with the false meme of accrued back taxes. Only the most diehard progs are calling for the death of Bundy and his supporters. Even those who disagree with Cliven Bundy don't want to see him blown to bits.