ARG Arizona poll

[bbwarfield]

my avatar would be ashamed

 

[libertybrewcity]

So Jan Brewer is a "statist idiot" because he opposes illegal immigration?

JAN Brewer is a she!

 

[sailingaway]

the media has successfully defined tea party so far from what the grass roots vs astroturf stood for that our folks don't necessarily call themselves tea party any more. But are still there.

But AZ is winner take all, so given Ron isn't going to WIN there, he is putting no money into the state. His time and money before Super Tuesday are spread really thin.

 

[sailingaway]

No. What makes her a statist was her approving a national ID for Arizonans, her veto of a bill that would have allowed Arizonans to buy insurance across state lines, her veto of a bill allowing guns on campuses, raising taxes "For the Children," doing nothing when the Quartzsite police arrested a woman at a council meeting, and the city manager and chief of police declared martial law and ousted an elected mayor for going after corruption, for accepting O Duce's appointment to be on his imperial council of governors, and for doing everything in her power to overturn the medical marijuana law approved by the voters. I could go on. As far as being an idiot goes, her statism is proof enough of that but, have you ever heard that dumb broad speak? She's an embarrassment.

I suspect you've hit the issue, though. The fake down rating of Ron on immigration when others just gloss over details but like e verify (which Ron doesn't) I think hurt him hugely not only in AZ but in Nevada.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

One of the big problems here in AZ is that a huge chunk of the voting population are not native Arizonans, but immigrants from more statist-leaning places like California and the midwest. JMHO.

 

[speciallyblend]

JAN Brewer is a she!

plus she opposes legal medical marijuana and is playing dirty tricks on that issue as well in AZ, Jan brewer is biggovgop establishment scum!

 

[splint]

I went bowling yesterday morning and I overheard 2 older gentleman (early 60s) chatting about the AZ debate. The one guy was explaining to his buddy about the media bias, the subtle things like camera angles and what not used against Ron Paul.

As they were leaving I briefly chatted with the guy, he's been a supporter of Dr. Paul for 15 years, and knew all about the foul play in Maine. I didn't want to take up too much of his time as he was just paying and about to leave. Told him not to forget to vote Tuesday, and he said he's already mailed in his ballet for Ron Paul which I thought was cool.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

The Republican voters here are old and statist. Their number 1 priority is their SS checks.

I believe Romney said that he will raise the age eligibility for social security and medicare.

 

[djruden]

^^Easy to sell Paul to voters worried about SS since he is the only one with a plan to help save the program.

 

[sailingaway]

^^Easy to sell Paul to voters worried about SS since he is the only one with a plan to help save the program.

the fact that he gave up his pension so had to pay into it and will be in the same boat with everyone else is helpful, as well.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

So there's two routes eh?
3rd place so Ron Paul doesnt look too bad
OR
3rd place for Newt so he wont cry and drop out and continue to make sure delegates are diluted

 

[Publicani]

Ron should give a major speech on immigration. And quickly.
RP message is strong and popular but it requires explanation. He should address simple questions like:
1. Why is he against the fence?
2. Why is he against the law requiring employers to check the legal status of employees?
3. Why is he against citizen's ID Card?
4. Why is he against birth right citizenship?
5. What are his plans with regard to illegals who's been here long time?

 

[ssjevot]

I really wish the campaign and people on here would stop trying to act like they're affiliated with the tea party. First of all it turns off voters who see his leaflets and see Father of the Tea Party. Most voters who would vote for Paul don't want to see that. Secondly it is neither true nor does the Tea Party demographic view Paul favorably (as all data shows). The Tea Party is not a liberty movement, it is not an anti-spending movement, it is a second-wave neocon movement that holds all the same values but in a more extreme fashion. They want a more aggressive foreign policy, more legislation of social issues, and less taxes/spending. We only agree with them on one issue. That's it.

I'm stuck with useless leaflets here in Seattle so I have to make my own, because the minute someone reads Father of the Tea Party it goes in the garbage and they don't like Ron Paul anymore. Courting the tea party is a losing strategy when they are one of our worst demographics and that isn't going to change.

 

[Publicani]

I don't understand why Tea Party doesn't support Ron Paul. They are pro liberty and they are anti-spending.

 

[libertygrl]

http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2012/primary/rep/az/

Romney 39
Santorum 35
Gingrich 11
Paul 9

But, get ready for this...

Among Tea Partiers...

Paul is at...

1%.

I'm ashamed to be from AZ.

These are the same people who were protesting against illegal immigration and yet who voted for McCain - DESPITE THE FACT that he was co-sponsor of a bill pushing Amnesty for illegal immigrants and despite the fact that he insulted citizens to their faces saying they wouldn't work for as little as $50 an hour picking lettuce. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWOZKeOauNI

I had numerous arguments four years ago (as a Paul suppporter) with McCain supporters. They all said they were voting for him because he could beat Obama and Paul couldn't. They basically told me I could shove my principles. Also, McCain likes to scare the seniors with the terrorism issue too and being he's a former Vet, they thought they could trust him. I look at AZ the way I view FL - It's neo-con central with many gullible senior citizens. But don't feel bad. I've got the same problem in NY. The Tea Parties were compromised long ago. But don't give up. It's up to people like us to keep educating and spreading the message of liberty.

 

[Brett85]

No. What makes her a statist was her approving a national ID for Arizonans.

I don't agree that the Arizona immigration law amounts to a "National ID" card. People are already required to bring their driver's licence with them when they drive. The Arizona immigration law didn't change that.

 

[Publicani]

So, the main explanation for anti Ron Paul sentiment is that Tea Party members are plain stupid. I don't believe that.

 

[Brett85]

JAN Brewer is a she!

Yeah, I know. That was just a typo.

 

[Paul or not at all]

What about MI?! the media only shows the top 2 when they cover MI polls.

 

[AJ Antimony]

I don't understand why Tea Party doesn't support Ron Paul. They are pro liberty and they are anti-spending.

Apparently not. This election season is providing the true definition of Tea Party, which is: Republicans voting for different Republicans.

That's all the Tea Party is. Sure, probably half of the people who actually attend Tea Party meetings are Ron Paul supporters, but the general trend seems to merely be that they exist solely to vote for the other guy. Rand Paul, Justin Amash, Mike Lee, they weren't the Tea Party candidates because of what they believed, they were the Tea Party candidates because they weren't Trey Grayson, Vern Ehlers, and Bob Bennett.