Are you phonebanking For Peter Schiff ?

[truthsaga]

It's not like Wyoming or S. Dakota where a small number of people can make a large impact in a short time.

Again, I've donated to his campaign and I hope he wins, but I'm a realist, not a dreamer.

McMahon would have to commit some sort of extraordinarily stupid and heinous act to lose at this point (something along the lines of going on a shooting spree).

If this was January and Schiff was polling at 5-13% with 36% name recognition, he might still have some shot, but it's far too late to turn the tide now, especially against an opponent who holds all the advantages (and who is largely campaigning on the same issues as Schiff).

So I'm going to spend this afternoon doing something that I know will have a real impact- volunteering at an animal shelter.[/QUOTE]


I agree with you. I've only donated money to the campaign at this point and I have an opportunity to make phone calls, so, I'm going for it. I feel Schiff is to good of a candidate and McMahon is Blumenthal's - John McCain.

I do feel like it's a long shot but I'm doing what I can. You also raise a very valid point - we need to fix our communities as well as the country.

 

[Jordan]

Why this was moved from General Forums ?

MODS YOU SUCK!

They hate Peter Schiff. "WANHHHHH "

 

[qwerty]

CT is small in size, but it is densely populated and is actually 29th in population (not big, but far from "tiny").

It's not like Wyoming or S. Dakota where a small number of people can make a large impact in a short time.

Why you are thinking about the whole population when only registered republicans count at this point ?

McMahon would have to commit some sort of extraordinarily stupid and heinous act to lose at this point (something along the lines of going on a shooting spree).

And she´s doing that, she won´t debate!

If this was January and Schiff was polling at 5-13% with 36% name recognition, he might still have some shot, but it's far too late to turn the tide now, especially against an opponent who holds all the advantages (and who is largely campaigning on the same issues as Schiff).

You should look at his unfavorables which are 2%.

Only thing we need to do is convince people that he can win. That´s why phonebanking is relevant!

So I'm going to spend this afternoon doing something that I know will have a real impact- volunteering at an animal shelter.

Yeah you make choices everyday. If you think that´s more important then fine.

If you really believe we must give our all to support liberty candidates whether they can win or not, why don't you just sign your next paycheck over to my campaign?

I'm running as a Libertarian candidate for the Texas House of Representatives. I have no chance of winning, but what the Hell, you'd go to the mat at all times for any liberty candidate, right?

Cause i don´t know you and nobody who i know haven´t endorsed you.

It seems that you are not even active in campaigning.

Pretty simple, isn´t it.

I won't expect the check anytime soon, because you are going to make a rational decision that it's not worth spending your rent money on my campaign even though I'm a libertarian running against a big government Democrat (the Republicans didn't even bother to compete in this district).

What we are asking here people to do is FREE.

Asking a check when nobody has even heard about you is little bit different thing than what i´m talking about.

If you are not active why should the grassroots be.

We all make that kind of decision on every race. Having analyzed Schiff's chances, I don't feel it's worth putting any more of my money or time into his campaign (just as you will surely not put your money into my campaign).

How confused you are ? PHONEBANKING IS FREE!

Supporting a candidate doesn´t mean that you need to DONATE.

If you want to make calls, have at it, but you can't make the decision for all the rest of us.

OMG. This is so ridicilous.

I´m just trying to talk you sense.

You should remember that if we would have had that kind of attitude during the Ron Paul candidacy we wouldn´t even have these forums.

Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it.

- Ron Paul!

 

[qwerty]

I've had my first break in my work schedule and I've been up sense 9:00am and still going strong. I'm at call 75 and so far, majority of my calls have been leaving smart drop message but I did manage to convert 2 Linda's and send out some information.

Anyone that's on the fence - come on and do it. It's easy, I'm taking care of my 3 kids and doing this. You can even surf the web while you do it. Instead of reading Mises articles and listening to music or YouTube. Substitute one for schiff calls!

Richard From San Jose

Awesome!

 

[truthsaga]

Update:

I called a gentlemen who writes for the Harold Examiner - or the name was close to that. He said "He was definitely leaning towards Schiff and will be writing about him soon." I linked him to Peter's YouTube and it seems like these calls are paying off.

 

[libertarian4321]

Why you are thinking about the whole population when only registered republicans count at this point ?

Either or both. Even though CT has a smaller percentage of Republicans, it still has more Republicans than a state like WY because it has many times the population of WY.

And she´s doing that, she won´t debate!

Of course she won't debate- she'd have to be a fool to debate a candidate sitting at 5% with no name recognition.

A debate would give Schiff free air time, help his name recognition, give him a chance to take free shots. Even if she out debates him, he still gains more than she does.

If she ignores him, he remains irrelevant and pulls in maybe 15%.

Politics 101- if you are the big dog, you don't get drawn into a fight with the Yorkie yipping and nipping at your heels.

You should look at his unfavorables which are 2%.

As I said before, when no one knows who the Hell you are, your unfavorables will be low.

Only thing we need to do is convince people that he can win. That´s why phonebanking is relevant!

Good luck. Like I said, I'm a realist. I know a lot of you are dreamers. We aren't going to agree on this issue.

Yeah you make choices everyday. If you think that´s more important then fine.

Cause i don´t know you and nobody who i know haven´t endorsed you.

That wasn't your criteria. You said we should do all we can for every liberty candidate.

I know you are being intentionally obtuse, but you get my point- we can't all go all out for EVERY liberty candidate- we have to make decisions. You decided not to send me your rent check, I decided not to make calls for Schiff.

It seems that you are not even active in campaigning.

Again, that wasn't your criterion- you said we should support every liberty candidate, even those with no chance of winning.

I'm a liberty candidate. I'm on the ballot. I could theoretically win (just as Schiff can win, in theory).

You decided my campaign wasn't worth assisting because I have no chance.

That's the same decision I made regarding Schiff's campaign.

What we are asking here people to do is FREE.

Even if it was free (it's not for everyone, obviously- a lot of people pay to make long distance calls), it's still an investment in time.

If you are not active why should the grassroots be.

Because you said we should support ALL liberty candidates- your words, not mine. You didn't say we should only support liberty candidates who meet certain activity criteria or who we think have a certain chance of winning.

How confused you are ? PHONEBANKING IS FREE!

For some yes, for others, no.

You should remember that if we would have had that kind of attitude during the Ron Paul candidacy we wouldn´t even have these forums.

Ron Paul had a chance. Not a great chance, but a chance. Peter Schiff, at this point, has none (there, I said it). If Schiff's campaign was going to do anything, it would have had to make a significant move long before now.

Ron Paul was not only a candidate I believed in more than Schiff, he had a chance because he was in a race with more than 10 candidates- and when you have that kind of chaos, any candidate who gains traction has a shot. More importantly, Ron Paul was continuously rising- in name recognition, in the polls, in number of volunteers, and in money. Schiff has not done that. The campaign is in its last leg, and most voters have no idea who he is. If he was even remotely competitive at this point (say within 20 points of the front runner), I would feel differently, but he's wallowing behind with a 47% deficit. Ron Paul was never even 40% behind the front runner, let alone in the final weeks before the primary.

If Ron Paul's campaign had remained stuck at "*" in the polls (which is where he started out- too low to register), I wouldn't have put as much effort as I did into his campaign- I would have sent him some money (as I did with Schiff and Bednarik and Harry Browne and lots of other candidates I agreed with, but who had no chance) and that would have been about it. But he was gaining momentum the entire time, and appeared to have a shot at a huge upset, so I put a lot more effort in. I just don't see that with Schiff.

You do realize that all the time you've spent trying to brow beat obviously unwilling people into phone banking could have been used to make calls, right?

Anyway, good luck with your phone calls. I've got to deliver some dog food.

 

[qwerty]

Either or both. Even though CT has a smaller percentage of Republicans, it still has more Republicans than a state like WY because it has many times the population of WY.

Yes, but if there about 100.000 republicans who are going to vote in the primary it ain´t much.

We must talk about the real numbers!

We have allready made 60-70 000 calls...

Of course she won't debate- she'd have to be a fool to debate a candidate sitting at 5% with no name recognition.

A debate would give Schiff free air time, help his name recognition, give him a chance to take free shots. Even if she out debates him, he still gains more than she does.

If she ignores him, he remains irrelevant and pulls in maybe 15%.

Politics 101- if you are the big dog, you don't get drawn into a fight with the Yorkie yipping and nipping at your heels.

We will see this, you don´t know what´s going to happen so don´t act like you know.

The fact is that this will hurt her campaign but we don´t know how much.

As I said before, when no one knows who the Hell you are, your unfavorables will be low.

Why you again act like you know the truth ? You don´t know the reasons.

Only fact that we know is that he unfavorables are low and that´s good thing.

People who know him like him.

Good luck. Like I said, I'm a realist. I know a lot of you are dreamers. We aren't going to agree on this issue.

Why you again act like you know. You can´t know we will see.

BUT i rather FIGHT and lose than quit and lose. What are going to win with quitting ? Maybe we just have different personalities.

That wasn't your criteria. You said we should do all we can for every liberty candidate.

I know you are being intentionally obtuse, but you get my point- we can't all go all out for EVERY liberty candidate- we have to make decisions. You decided not to send me your rent check, I decided not to make calls for Schiff.

We can support every candidate who has been proven to be a true liberty candidate. That´s for sure.

Ofcourse you need something to prove yourself to grassroots. That you are not just empty promises. Trusting is the key.

Again, that wasn't your criterion- you said we should support every liberty candidate, even those with no chance of winning.

I'm a liberty candidate. I'm on the ballot. I could theoretically win (just as Schiff can win, in theory).

You decided my campaign wasn't worth assisting because I have no chance.

That's the same decision I made regarding Schiff's campaign.

AGAIN! You´re not a liberty candidate to me until you are proven to be one.

Why support a looser candidate who himself states that he has no chance ? LOL!

We don´t need quitters but fighters, if you are a quitters you can´t make any difference even if you are elected.

You don´t have the personality needed, that´s why you don´t get support.

Even if it was free (it's not for everyone, obviously- a lot of people pay to make long distance calls), it's still an investment in time.

I think Peter pays all the calls ? What do you mean by long-distance calls ?

Investment of time, lol, if you are not willing to do that for liberty, i think you are in the wrong forums.

And i´m not anymore asking your time, feel free to be in quitter team.

Because you said we should support ALL liberty candidates- your words, not mine. You didn't say we should only support liberty candidates who meet certain activity criteria or who we think have a certain chance of winning.

Again, you are not a liberty candidate until you have been proven to be one.

For some yes, for others, no.

For U.S citizens it is, i think...

Ron Paul had a chance. Not a great chance, but a chance. Peter Schiff, at this point, has none (there, I said it). If Schiff's campaign was going to do anything, it would have had to make a significant move long before now.

Ron Paul was not only a candidate I believed in more than Schiff, he had a chance because he was in a race with more than 10 candidates- and when you have that kind of chaos, any candidate who gains traction has a shot. More importantly, Ron Paul was continuously rising- in name recognition, in the polls, in number of volunteers, and in money. Schiff has not done that. The campaign is in its last leg, and most voters have no idea who he is. If he was even remotely competitive at this point (say within 20 points of the front runner), I would feel differently, but he's wallowing behind with a 47% deficit. Ron Paul was never even 40% behind the front runner, let alone in the final weeks before the primary.

If Ron Paul's campaign had remained stuck at "*" in the polls (which is where he started out- too low to register), I wouldn't have put as much effort as I did into his campaign- I would have sent him some money (as I did with Schiff and Bednarik and Harry Browne and lots of other candidates I agreed with, but who had no chance) and that would have been about it. But he was gaining momentum the entire time, and appeared to have a shot at a huge upset, so I put a lot more effort in. I just don't see that with Schiff.

This is getting ridicilous now!

Schiff has like 13% now from 100.000 voters. He needs to get like 40%, that means 27.000 votes more.

And after that polling Schiff campaign will have a direct mail campaign & media blitz and has made 60-70 000 calls.

You can´t even compare that to Ron Paul´s campaign. Just think about the numbers!

You really can´t be serious. I don´t say that Ron Paul hadn´t chance but i say that Peter better chance! Numbers prove it.

You do realize that all the time you've spent trying to brow beat obviously unwilling people into phone banking could have been used to make calls, right?

I just hope that other people can see that your attitude is very counter-productive for our cause.

Yes, i will fight for liberty even when we are losing. Yes, i will support U.S candidates even i live in Europe, cause i fight for the things i believe in and won´t give up. If you give up you never win.

Your country is in the mess cause so few really stand up. When some people stand up we should support them.

 

[qwerty]

Update:

I called a gentlemen who writes for the Harold Examiner - or the name was close to that. He said "He was definitely leaning towards Schiff and will be writing about him soon." I linked him to Peter's YouTube and it seems like these calls are paying off.

AWESOME BRO!

Thank god there are people like you!

 

[teamrican1]

Ron Paul had a chance. Not a great chance, but a chance. Peter Schiff, at this point, has none (there, I said it). If Schiff's campaign was going to do anything, it would have had to make a significant move long before now.

I have one word for you: Nevada. Similar number of registered voters. Sharon Angle had no money and no ads. All she had was a stupid website her husband designed that looked like it came out of 1994 and contained spelling and grammar errors. She's not charismatic, doesn't seem particularly smart, and had very little going for her in terms of past accomplishments. Yet overnight she managed to go from nobody to front runner in the GOP Senate nomination and ended up winning. Sharon Angle is to Peter what that 13 year old girl Peter is always yammering on about is to us. If Sharon Angle can turn a primary on it's head overnight, so can Peter! This is not a "traditional" year for politics. Your preconceived rules for who is viable at what point are no longer valid. Linda is winning yes, but everybody knows her support is built on sand. It's not like we have to get hard core Linda supporters to convert to Peter. There are no hard core Linda supporters. All we have to do is convince people that don't like Linda but think "she can win" to vote for Peter instead. Since Linda's support is so soft, any movement in Peter's direction could start a stampede and we win walking away.

 

[truthsaga]

Right On Rican!

We all have to choose our battles but Schiff is to good of a candidate to pass up. I don't want to feel like I didn't do enough, if he loses, he loses. But, it won't leave me feeling like I could of done more. I'm at call 268 and I'll keep going up until I have to get ready for work.

funny call; I actually ended up calling a officer on a secured police line, haha. He was with it but said "You shouldn't be calling this line!"

 

[dannno]

Either or both. Even though CT has a smaller percentage of Republicans, it still has more Republicans than a state like WY because it has many times the population of WY.

Were you apart of the Ron Paul for President movement? You donated to that, even though we had to reach more than 50 times more people to have the same impact?? This is more than 50 times easier to reach people because it is a single state.. 50 TIMES IS GIGANTIC!! Do you know much about math, can you comprehend how much easier this little task is?? 29th means they are lower than average, at least the median, so that is great!!

 

[jmdrake]

Not so sure that ya do but ok

I'd trade Rand and another random liberty candidate for Schiff getting in.. he is the MAN...

I wasn't going to respond to this thread again until I had a chance to make some calls, but that won't be until next week so what the hay?

The candidate I'd most like to see when this election is John Dennis. That would send shockwaves through the GOP and the liberal establishment at the same time. Can you imagine the headlines? Nancy Pelosi ousted by antiwar republican? I realize that's a super longshot. That's just my "if I could blink three times and have a wish" response.

The local candidate I supporting has a very good chance at winning. No it's not a federal election. But winning the state legislatures will be imperative to mounting any successful 10th amendment challenge to the growth of the federal government. Plus this becomes your "farm team". Instead of "successful businessman nobody's ever heard of" running for congress you can (eventually) have "speaker of the (blank) state legislature" running for congress. And since foreign policy is never an issue in these elections, we could be building up a farm team without them needing to "pander" to neocons on issues that are important to the rest of us.

So. I will help Schiff....when I get the time. (And I know time is running out). But for me he's not the most important person running.

 

[qwerty]

I have one word for you: Nevada. Similar number of registered voters. Sharon Angle had no money and no ads. All she had was a stupid website her husband designed that looked like it came out of 1994 and contained spelling and grammar errors. She's not charismatic, doesn't seem particularly smart, and had very little going for her in terms of past accomplishments. Yet overnight she managed to go from nobody to front runner in the GOP Senate nomination and ended up winning. Sharon Angle is to Peter what that 13 year old girl Peter is always yammering on about is to us. If Sharon Angle can turn a primary on it's head overnight, so can Peter! This is not a "traditional" year for politics. Your preconceived rules for who is viable at what point are no longer valid. Linda is winning yes, but everybody knows her support is built on sand. It's not like we have to get hard core Linda supporters to convert to Peter. There are no hard core Linda supporters. All we have to do is convince people that don't like Linda but think "she can win" to vote for Peter instead. Since Linda's support is so soft, any movement in Peter's direction could start a stampede and we win walking away.

Great Example!

Right On Rican!

We all have to choose our battles but Schiff is to good of a candidate to pass up. I don't want to feel like I didn't do enough, if he loses, he loses. But, it won't leave me feeling like I could of done more. I'm at call 268 and I'll keep going up until I have to get ready for work.

funny call; I actually ended up calling a officer on a secured police line, haha. He was with it but said "You shouldn't be calling this line!"

That´s the spirit bro!

Were you apart of the Ron Paul for President movement? You donated to that, even though we had to reach more than 50 times more people to have the same impact?? This is more than 50 times easier to reach people because it is a single state.. 50 TIMES IS GIGANTIC!! Do you know much about math, can you comprehend how much easier this little task is?? 29th means they are lower than average, at least the median, so that is great!!

Exactly!

 

[qwerty]

I wasn't going to respond to this thread again until I had a chance to make some calls, but that won't be until next week so what the hay?

The candidate I'd most like to see when this election is John Dennis. That would send shockwaves through the GOP and the liberal establishment at the same time. Can you imagine the headlines? Nancy Pelosi ousted by antiwar republican? I realize that's a super longshot. That's just my "if I could blink three times and have a wish" response.

The local candidate I supporting has a very good chance at winning. No it's not a federal election. But winning the state legislatures will be imperative to mounting any successful 10th amendment challenge to the growth of the federal government. Plus this becomes your "farm team". Instead of "successful businessman nobody's ever heard of" running for congress you can (eventually) have "speaker of the (blank) state legislature" running for congress. And since foreign policy is never an issue in these elections, we could be building up a farm team without them needing to "pander" to neocons on issues that are important to the rest of us.

So. I will help Schiff....when I get the time. (And I know time is running out). But for me he's not the most important person running.

You have good points!

We need to support every true liberty candidate but when we have limited time we need make decicions with our time!

But i think we shouldn´t put so much effort to Rand anymore since he has the locals behind him allready!

This is not against Rand, this i an idea to try to get as many candidates to Senate & house as we can!

 

[qwerty]

So far over 40% are phonebanking or will start soon!

Thank you!

 

[South Park Fan]

Am i doing something wrong by following the official script? All I am getting are Nos and Voicemails.

 

[truthsaga]

Your doing fine. I introduce myself the way script starts but I also ask if they've been following the senate race at all to get the conversation going.

The voicemails are almost as good as Yes! We have an easy job, we have to get his name out there. We don't have to worry about making voters liking him, when they hear his message and his credentials, it's a usually a win!

Keep at it. Yesterday I made about 364 calls, right now I'm at 71. The vibe is really good.

 

[dannno]

Am i doing something wrong by following the official script? All I am getting are Nos and Voicemails.

It could be a timing thing for the voicemails.. best time is probably 5:20-8:00pm during the week.

I haven't gotten any "No's" or McMahon supporters yet... just people who are undecided, support Schiff or don't know anything about the race. Also got a Democrat some how who seemed potentially interested in looking into him.

One thing I add to the script is "I'm volunteering my own time ...."

Those bolded words help emphasize to the person that you are really just a volunteer, not getting paid to call them. That makes them feel bad to hang up cause they know you believe in what you're doing.

 

[truthsaga]

Nice Danno! Keep up the good work. You, South Park, and I should have a phone banking thing this weekend. Us 3 to win it all!

 

[DjLoTi]

I can´t believe that this kind of attitude can be part of our movement, part of freedom movement.

We support liberty candidates, because they stand for what we believe in not because they can win.

+1

I can't believe how many people on here are being total downers on Schiff - actually going out of their way to discourage support. As if Linda or Blumenthal resemble anything better.

The guy who made 73 calls... great job. If we could all keep doing this maybe we can turn the tide, but 'let it not be said that we did nothing' but talk trash on the internet!