Are you going to switch to Libertarian after the elections, or stay Republican?

[krott5333]

You can't take over a major political party in one election cycle.

It takes time. I think I'll stay republican and try to change the party from within.

At any rate, I can not agree with the libertarian stance on illegal immigration. Also, it seems like a lot of the more old guard libertarians are just as snobby and resistant to change as the old guard republicans.

I wouldn't mind open borders if it weren't for the entitlement-system and the leeching of social programs by illegal immigrants.

 

[Lord Xar]

Stay Republican and take back the Republican party!

No matter where we all came from whether it be apathy, the Democratic party, the Republican party, the Constitution party, the Libertarian party, or any other we have all come together as Ron Paul Republicans and we should stay so in order to STAY UNIFIED in a fight for the good of all American citizens, a fight that will not end on election day but continue on throughout the 50 states and beyond. We have a mission to elect deserving representatives who believe as we do in the fifty states and to master campaigns of future presidents. We can do this we the children of this new R[EVOL]UTION but to do so we must not waver, we must stand together to take back the Republican party and the country!

hmm. I have though on this for a bit. I have been a republican for over 20 years and its not getting better - only worse. Bush and co (the neocons and their propaganda machine) have all but destroyed the Republican party. So much so, that I think what you have now is a very corrupt and ineffectual and nontrusting evil shadow of what the Republican party is.

I don't think there is any saving the Republicans. I mean, you have vote fraud in NH and a complete reluctance to "solve the issue", you have shenanigans in LA and 'that is okay" - its this whole fabric of corruption that extends beyond mere acts, but a mindset. The republicans have been completely overrun and hijacked by those who are not republicans or if they are - they 'play by the new rules' and would rather see their party ruined than admit there is something completely wrong.

Bush allowed this. His handlers allowed this.

There is nothing left. I am definetly leaving. I just don't know where.

Libertarians are okay except I am not about their immigration policy. That is a make or break thing for me - some have said they are readjusting their platfrom. But unless they do that, I can't see believing in open borders.

If they adopted the "Ron Paul" platform, then yes.. otherwise.. who is to say.

Maybe I'll just go independent. But I am for sure leaving the Republicans.

Listen, you can't take back a party that doesn't want to "go back" - they have a GREAT OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW! Instead, they play shenanigans and support McCain. You tell me, is that a Republican part that "wants" to go back. Not only that. The MSM has been totally co-opted to serve neither party, but their own agenda.

Unless someone instills the fear of god in those in power - then there is not recourse, imho.

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

I was a Republican before I supported Ron Paul, and I'll be a Republican afterwards. Doesn't mean I'll vote for their candidates, but I'm going to remain involved in the Republican Party because it's MY party, and it needs to be taken back from the neocons.

 

[the Winner is (R0N P@uL)]

Democrat for Life.....

Ron Paul was the exception to the rule.....

 

[expatriot]

Sept 4 Launch MoneyBomb ?

I think I'll stick with the Libertarians. The Republican Party may be salvageable, but the light at the end of the big government social tyrant warmonger tunnel of doom has yet to appear.

It's a tunnel ? - are you sure? All this time I thought it was a sewer...

Somebody ought to tell the LP to start getting their affairs ready for September 5
Just in case.

 

[Sandy]

I wouldn't mind open borders if it weren't for the entitlement-system and the leeching of social programs by illegal immigrants.

Open borders is what the people who want a one world gov't love, they want a NAU so why would anyone be for this? It helps the globalists, and does not lead to freedom any more than leaving your house unlocked/open for anyone to pass through it and doing/taking what they want while passing through it does. Open borders with any criminal that could pass through and unmaneagable growth in population with American jobs being sent overseas, people being laid off, and major economic problems, no thanks!! Controlled borders with managed legal immigration will help maintain freedom, not the other way around. Protecting America is important, and I'm not going to feel 'liberal' guilt if non Americans complain. Immigration to plenty of other countries is strict and for good reason, more power to them.

A nation without borders is no nation at all. The open borders ordeal is 'progressive', not libertarian like some libertarians try to make it out to be. The LP is not perfect, and it is not just compromised Cato for example that is the problem. The LP in general also has a problem knowing when to lead and when to follow, too. Too much hyper individualism going on imo and a reason for plenty of problems.

Staying with the Rep party, it can change with focus and determination, Rome wasn't built overnight. Lots of new RP Republicans joining and even running.

 

[familydog]

Originally I wanted to switch back to the Libertarian party, but the more I think about it the more I want to just stay Republican. The reason is that Ron Paul has planted the seeds of conservative ideals once again in the party. So even if he doesn't win, and we have a Hillary presidency, we win. Once Hillary starts getting us into overseas adventures like her husband and doesn't do much about getting out of Iraq, you think Hannity, Boortz, Limbaugh, etc are going to be cheerleaders for her? Paul we live to see his Republican coalition (that is unless he switches runs as third party or independent and screws all that up). I'd like to be part of that to help it succeed.

 

[hocaltar]

Even if RP were elected I would still switch back to independent. My reasoning is simple. One good apple in a sack of shit isn't worth changing anything for. Don't get me wrong I sucked it up and changed my party identification in Florida so I could vote for RP; now, I am changing back.

Infact, I reccomend we do an "abandon the Repbublican Party bomb!" If 1 million people left the Republican party in one day. Talk about sending a message! Hell, they may even give RP credit.

 

[constituent]

neither. i'll give assistance to others running for office regardless of party affiliation, as long as they are pro-paul platform candidates...

but otherwise i'm done w/ anything politics after this.

 

[hillbilly]

I've been thinking about this for awhile now, and I think the best bet in the long run is to stay Republican.

The libertarian ideals of freedom and liberty are mainstream views, but often people don't realize its exactly what they want until they actually hear the message. And in my opinion, the best way to get that message to the masses is through mainstream parties and changing the Republican party from the inside-out, ground-up.

Run for office. Get involved locally. Talk to your neighbors. Continue to be the spreaders of truth.

Just never forget who you are and for whom you work.

Sounds good. That's exactly what I'm doing, too. I know there's others who want to go outside of the 'box' to change the system & that's great! We need to be coming at it from as many angles as they are coming at us. We need folk on the inside & on the outside; from way out on the fringe to tight-knit inner circles. The only way we have a chance is if we rip this 'box' apart from as many different directions as we can think of.

Too may elected officials have conveniently forgotten that they are supposed to be serving We the People.

 

[constituent]

Open borders is what the people who want a one world gov't love, they want a NAU so why would anyone be for this? It helps the globalists, and does not lead to freedom any more than leaving your house unlocked/open for anyone to pass through it and doing/taking what they want while passing through it does.

wow, you're so very wrong.

i want open borders and i'm opposed to one world gov't/nau... in fact, i'm opposed to gov't.

uhhh... it would lead to my freedom to cross that little ditch we call the rio grande at will, w/out needing permission and w/out having to show my papers.

freedom means freedom for everyone, even those you disagree w/, that includes me and millions of others in s. texas who would just as soon see a fence on the red and natchez than the rio grande.

once again, i'm no globalist. i'm a texan!

 

[dblee]

"If you want to change the system, it's easier to do so from within rather than throw bricks at it from outside."

 

[seeker1]

We all unified as Ron Paul Supporters.

Stay Republican and take back the Republican party!

No matter where we all came from whether it be apathy, the Democratic party, the Republican party, the Constitution party, the Libertarian party, or any other we have all come together as Ron Paul Republicans and we should stay so in order to STAY UNIFIED in a fight for the good of all American citizens, a fight that will not end on election day but continue on throughout the 50 states and beyond. We have a mission to elect deserving representatives who believe as we do in the fifty states and to master campaigns of future presidents. We can do this we the children of this new R[EVOL]UTION but to do so we must not waver, we must stand together to take back the Republican party and the country!

I am not a republicrat or a demoblican and have no intention of trying to reform a party to meet my ideals. I was an independent before and only joined the republicrats to vote for RP in the primary.

All this GOP loyalism reminds me of the original loyalists that didn't want to give up their cushy lives for the revolution.

 

[jrich4rpaul]

I'm staying Republican

 

[seeker1]

Sounds like an independent to me

neither. i'll give assistance to others running for office regardless of party affiliation, as long as they are pro-paul platform candidates...

but otherwise i'm done w/ anything politics after this.

That's been my position for more than 25 years.

 

[FreeTraveler]

I think that we should stay Republicans and take the party back.

+1000

I'll be registered Republican, but probably vote for Libertarian candidates in most races, unless there's an RPR running for that spot.

 

[FreeTraveler]

I think that trying to takeover the Republican party is hopeless and thats what this election is showing. They are too well rooted, to wel funded, its an impossible goal. Right now people hate Republicans, they hate bush. We are better off being an indepentant or Libertarian.

No, we're not. The game is completely stacked against a third party, as Dr. Paul has explained repeatedly. (As an aside, how do we expect other people to believe him, if we don't believe him ourselves?) At the LOCAL level, the Republican party is totally demoralized, and guess WHO elects the state and national leadership of the party?

If we're REALLY interested in a revolution, we can take over the party by the 2010 elections. If most of us are Sunshine Soldiers and Summer Patriots who want to sit behind a keyboard and whine, the rest of us will have to take our country back by exercising the Second Amendment.

 

[FreeTraveler]

neither. i'll give assistance to others running for office regardless of party affiliation, as long as they are pro-paul platform candidates...

but otherwise i'm done w/ anything politics after this.

Great, so until we're in a totally hopeless situation and it's time to brush off the Second Amendment, you're gonna quit?

 

[krott5333]

hmm. I have though on this for a bit. I have been a republican for over 20 years and its not getting better - only worse. Bush and co (the neocons and their propaganda machine) have all but destroyed the Republican party. So much so, that I think what you have now is a very corrupt and ineffectual and nontrusting evil shadow of what the Republican party is.

I don't think there is any saving the Republicans. I mean, you have vote fraud in NH and a complete reluctance to "solve the issue", you have shenanigans in LA and 'that is okay" - its this whole fabric of corruption that extends beyond mere acts, but a mindset. The republicans have been completely overrun and hijacked by those who are not republicans or if they are - they 'play by the new rules' and would rather see their party ruined than admit there is something completely wrong.

Bush allowed this. His handlers allowed this.

There is nothing left. I am definetly leaving. I just don't know where.

Libertarians are okay except I am not about their immigration policy. That is a make or break thing for me - some have said they are readjusting their platfrom. But unless they do that, I can't see believing in open borders.

If they adopted the "Ron Paul" platform, then yes.. otherwise.. who is to say.

Maybe I'll just go independent. But I am for sure leaving the Republicans.

Listen, you can't take back a party that doesn't want to "go back" - they have a GREAT OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW! Instead, they play shenanigans and support McCain. You tell me, is that a Republican part that "wants" to go back. Not only that. The MSM has been totally co-opted to serve neither party, but their own agenda.

Unless someone instills the fear of god in those in power - then there is not recourse, imho.

You make some valid points, and cause me to be still somewhat undecided as to what I want to do. However, keep in mind that Ron Paul and his subsequent movement has awoken a massive network of like-minded individuals.

Where do we go from here?

 

[FreeTraveler]

I am not a republicrat or a demoblican and have no intention of trying to reform a party to meet my ideals. I was an independent before and only joined the republicrats to vote for RP in the primary.

All this GOP loyalism reminds me of the original loyalists that didn't want to give up their cushy lives for the revolution.

There are only two ways to take back our country. One is to take over one of the two existing parties, the other is to exercise the Second Amendment. The revolutionaries are going to try for plan A before plan B. The loyalists are going to sit on the sidelines.

If you're not willing to take over the Republican Party, you're either satisfied with the status quo, or willing to wait 'till things get so bad it's time for the Second Amendment.

So are you the loyalist that's satisfied with things the way they are, or are you bunkering in and buying food and ammunition expecting things to fall apart? I don't see any other choices?