Are you for open borders?

Are you for open boarders?

  • Yes

    Votes: 102 32.1%
  • No

    Votes: 199 62.6%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 17 5.3%

  • Total voters
    318
Why do you care if someone speaks English or not?

It is difficult to imagine a more basic ingredient for feeling at home and doing well in a new society that knowing the language. Knowledge of English is so central to life in the United States and so obviously a key element in “feeling at home” that one hesitates to mention it. Yet, astoundingly, some argue that learning English is a “barrier” that must be dismantled. This makes no sense. Walk down the street of any city in Hong Kong, Germany, or India. If you don’t speak the language, the street names, stores signs, ads, announcements, building functions, and so on are lost to your understanding. This is even before you attempt any written or spoken transactions. Could you apply for a job in Italy without speaking Italian? Could you read a lease in Germany if you wanted to rent an apartment? A working knowledge of English — reading, speaking, and writing — is a critical element in easing what will always be to some extent a difficult transition.

The United States began as an English-speaking country and it has remained so despite having no official language policy and despite welcoming speakers of many foreign languages.27 Between 1840 and 1924, two-thirds of the immigrants to this country spoke a language other than English. Yet, as the sociologist Stanley Lieberson notes, “despite efforts on the part of all immigrant groups to maintain their ancestral languages, their descendants soon contributed to the growing number of English monologs in the United States. The shift was rapid . . . and in most cases it was final.”28 There are a number of reasons for this. Schools taught English, and occupations required it.29 Yet, in the end, Schiffman agrees with his colleague Kloss30 that the ultimate reasons are neither to be found in nationality laws unfavorable to other languages, nor in government policy or coercion, rather in “. . . the absorbing power of the highly developed American society . . . the manifold opportunities for personal advancement and individual achievements which this society offered were so attractive that the descendants of the ‘aliens’ sooner or later voluntarily integrated themselves into this society.”31

The same remains true today. English facility does function as a common bond and facilitates the connections between the country and its people. It underlies an understanding of, and therefore facilitates a connection to, the shared social and political values of the country and an understanding of them. A working knowledge of English is the foundation of a basic understanding of republican democracy. Indeed, it is hard to see how the iconic American Creed can play much of a unifying role if people don’t understand the language upon which it is built and operates.

At one time, government, civic organizations, and industry took this responsibility seriously. They no longer do. The original legislation for the Bilingual Education Act of 1967-68 developed by Texas Senator Ralph Yarborough was specifically designed to increase English facility. Ethnic advocates and their allies gutted the English learning provisions.32 As a result, the integration of generations of immigrants into the American national culture was slowed. Given the large number of immigrants who arrive in this country, both legally and illegally, every year and the diversity of their backgrounds, there are probably more foreign languages spoken here than ever before. In those circumstances, a common standard language is even more important to developing and maintaining a cohesive and integrated national community.

http://www.cis.org/node/274
 
Originally Posted by libertygrl View Post
a common standard language is even more important to developing and maintaining a cohesive and integrated national community.

http://www.cis.org/node/274

I support a balkanized nation.

That way it's harder to unite around one preznit and have unification like under the FDR and Wilson and Bush regimes for a war and a draft and a welfare state.

If people feel a sense of "otherism" and don't associate with the preznits like the South used to do, then we get less Patriotism\Nationalism.

The people in the south are all screwed up now, and the Federal Schools have mashed up their brains. If you don't stand up and say the pledge and want to die for the war efforts, they want to beat you up. I don't think we need one language either.

Lest you all forget, those systems (however anarchic they were) were conquered by States.

Well at a minimum there is no need for the Federal Government. Texas has 25 million people. Israel has 10 million people and 300 nukes. Texas could easily have a few nukes to defend itself and wouldn't need much more than that. Same goes for the rest of the states.

Anarchist Ireland lasted longer than the U.S. has anyway and had less wars, and it didn't go bankrupt like as England did in the 1970's. U.S. will go bankrupt in the next 100 years or so without a doubt...at least a good chance of it.
 
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We need wide mine fields and those cool gun towers Israel uses along the borders.
 
Lest you all forget, those systems (however anarchic they were) were conquered by States.

So even if anarchist systems worked in practice, they would still be conquered by States.

Now, you could require that everyone in the world exist in anarchy. But, because some men will inevitably form tribes, and expand on those tribes with technology, then all of the anarchist societies would be doomed from the start.

So no States have ever been conquered? Can you name me a State that lasted for 1,000 years and fought off an Empire for 200 years?
 

Rome didn't last for 1,000 years, (it lasted for around 250 years as a Republic, then about 300-400 as a Despotic Empire, then it crumbled) nor did it fight Carthage for 200 years. Wrong on both accounts.

Besides, you keep grasping at strawman. Why are you fighting the facts so desperately? Why do you want to live as a subject so bad?
 
Why are you fighting the facts so desperately? Why do you want to live as a subject so bad?

I'm sure there's a more appropriate pic out there, but f* it...

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good enough.
 
Rome didn't last for 1,000 years, (it lasted for around 250 years as a Republic, then about 300-400 as a Despotic Empire, then it crumbled) nor did it fight Carthage for 200 years. Wrong on both accounts.

Besides, you keep grasping at strawman. Why are you fighting the facts so desperately? Why do you want to live as a subject so bad?

He has rational fears, just not solutions. There's no empirical evidence that suggests governments can solve problems better than the free market.
 
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He has rational fears, just not solutions. There's no empirical evidence that suggests governments can solves problems better than the free market.

Free markets open the competion for goods to countries with no organic value system. In other words how would we compete with haiti? How do we compete with china? These countries can import broken glass to the USA and take it back and fix it then send it back to us cheaper than we can make it in the first place. Our first responsibility is to our people. America can self sustain to a large degree. What ever else we need we can deal with Europe. Meaning countries who share our lifestyle values. By that I mean adequate housing clothing food and luxury items like entertainment etc.
Free market is suicide as it pertains to national autonomy in a so called global economy!!!!!!!

So back to the point it is possible to shut down the borders. Any one can find arguments that you can't. Please get serious. America is for Americans. No one else.

PS. Americans came from Europe and were pagans or Christians just to clear up any possible questions on whose country this is.
Re-patriate all people who came here un-naturally or illegally.

edit: Prior to America being established it was a continent and not a country. I am talking America the country.
 
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Free markets open the competion for goods to countries with no organic value system. In other words how would we compete with haiti? How do we compete with china? These countries can import broken glass to the USA and take it back and fix it then send it back to us cheaper than we can make it in the first place. Our first responsibility is to our people. America can self sustain to a large degree. What ever else we need we can deal with Europe. Meaning countries who share our lifestyle values. By that I mean adequate housing clothing food and luxury items like entertainment etc.
Free market is suicide as it pertains to national autonomy in a so called global economy!!!!!!!

So back to the point it is possible to shut down the borders. Any one can find arguments that you can't. Please get serious. America is for Americans. No one else.

PS. Americans came from Europe and were pagans or Christians just to clear up any possible questions on whose country this is.
Re-patriate all people who came here un-naturally or illegally.

edit: Prior to America being established it was a continent and not a country. I am talking America the country.

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where to start?
 
The immigration debate is weird though because dems can use the threat of amnesty as a way to get new voters for themselves so as to scare republicans who otherwise wouldn't care.

I think enforcing immigration laws is fine just so long as it's not via employment verification or national I.D. cards.
 
secessionists

I think he only believes in national sovereignty with regard to other nations not regard to ruling its own people as in taxing them, regulating them, etc.

Paul is not really opposed to secessionist groups in my opinion, which are groups against the national sovereignty.

YouTube - Ron Paul - Republic of Texas
 
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