Are you for open borders?

[Dunedain]

What makes you think that? It seems to me that racial division is a key point keeping the elites in power. All of their talk about ending racism is actually just racism itself disguised, racism that they perpetuate. If all humans truly became one race, they would lose that advantage and would have to find other ways to divide and conquer.

Racial division ultimately results in balkanization. Left long enough (like in the Balkans) you have many little countries and fiefdoms springing up all over the place. Homogenization is the way to ultimately control a system completely. All food is McDonald's, all things are Walmart, all people are obedient, atomized, separated from the culture and heritage from which they sprang.

Ironically, they push "diversity" to accomplish this goal. Ironically, it is people like myself that values true racial diversity. I'm sure many will find that funny. The ugliest sight I ever saw was a KFC in Peking/Bejing.

 

[Toureg89]

"We the People of the United States" is not a tyranny.

actually, "We the People" are a tyranny. a tyranny of the majority.

in my state, the state of Florida, the popular vote was successful in stripping away the rights of gays to marry.

not much of a respect for human rights, imo.

the notion that the american population as a whole wouldn't move to restrict the rights of fellow americans is absurd, when they in fact do it ALL THE TIME.

 

[Met Income]

No one has the right to initiate force against another. The end.

 

[LibertyEagle]

They want impoverished masses, similar to what Russia had in 1917 and China had in 1949. Largely middle-class Americans, with their traditions of limited government and individual freedom just havent delievered the desired effect.

I think I heard a communist say once "Elect a new people" or something similar.

America can have immigration, but only when the welfare state is abolished, massive immigration with the welfare state is a recipe for disaster.

Agreed.

 

[Dieseler]

Gary Allen explained The Pincer Effect very well. I'm pretty sure we're deep within the Pincer right now.

 

[Fiscal Conservative]

I am for a more secured border, and when I say 'secured', I mean 'physically'. We need to put a huge stop to illegal immigration before the matter evolves into an unstoppable crisis. Our coastlines must be 'physically secured' as well, because we need to totally enforce every entry we have. This issue can go on and on with many other issues that are upon this issue alone.

Just to name off one issue that I'd like to bring up is 'welfare'. Illegal immigrants should not be rewarded welfare, because it's the American taxpayer that's been paying for their everyday lives. I can go on and on until I'm blue in the face, so I'll end it here.

 

[Met Income]

I am for a more secured border, and when I say 'secured', I mean 'physically'. We need to put a huge stop to illegal immigration before the matter evolves into an unstoppable crisis. Our coastlines must be 'physically secured' as well, because we need to totally enforce every entry we have. This issue can go on and on with many other issues that are upon this issue alone.

Just to name off one issue that I'd like to bring up is 'welfare'. Illegal immigrants should not be rewarded welfare, because it's the American taxpayer that's been paying for their everyday lives. I can go on and on until I'm blue in the face, so I'll end it here.

So end the welfare state, then. The answer to tyranny is not more tyranny.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Gary Allen explained The Pincer Effect very well. I'm pretty sure we're deep within the Pincer right now.

Good 'ol Gary.

I don't remember the Pincer Effect though. Would you describe it please?

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I'm for Private Property, therefore I reject everything that violates Private Property rights. Therefore I believe that no one has the right to tell me who I can, or cannot have on my property. I also do not believe in violating my principles for the sake of utilitarianism.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I am for a more secured border, and when I say 'secured', I mean 'physically'. We need to put a huge stop to illegal immigration before the matter evolves into an unstoppable crisis. Our coastlines must be 'physically secured' as well, because we need to totally enforce every entry we have. This issue can go on and on with many other issues that are upon this issue alone.

Just to name off one issue that I'd like to bring up is 'welfare'. Illegal immigrants should not be rewarded welfare, because it's the American taxpayer that's been paying for their everyday lives. I can go on and on until I'm blue in the face, so I'll end it here.

I can't speak for every state/county, but a few years back, a land owner near the border here in AZ allowed fencing to be built to keep out illegals. It was paid for by concerned citizens. The left-liberals here likened it to the Berlin Wall. However, last I heard, the fence had some impact in keeping illegals out. This is one of the reasons all property should be private-citizens have better incentive to keep it secure than the government does.

 

[Dunedain]

I can't speak for every state/county, but a few years back, a land owner near the border here in AZ allowed fencing to be built to keep out illegals. It was paid for by concerned citizens. The left-liberals here likened it to the Berlin Wall. However, last I heard, the fence had some impact in keeping illegals out. This is one of the reasons all property should be private-citizens have better incentive to keep it secure than the government does.

I agree that defended borders are great. They keep people out. However, if it was all private how would we respond when La Raza just buys one piece property on the border and lets all the illegals in?

 

[Toureg89]

I agree that defended borders are great. They keep people out. However, if it was all private how would we respond when La Raza just buys one piece property on the border and lets all the illegals in?

encourage his neighbors to build fences on the "border" between their property and his property?

 

[Pacis]

I selected 'yes' in the poll. Not an accurate representation of my position, though. I think political borders are totally illegitimate. I don't think they should be open or closed. They shouldn't exist at all.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I agree that defended borders are great. They keep people out. However, if it was all private how would we respond when La Raza just buys one piece property on the border and lets all the illegals in?

Which "La Raza" do you mean? There is an advocacy group by that name as well as a common gang. In the case of the former, it would be a civil issue to be handled in a court. La Raza would be accountable for damages done if found guilty of a crime.

In the latter, property owners would have to 1) insure against possible damage 2) arm themselves accordingly 3) consider hiring a security company 4) build a significant barrier that would prevent the gang from crossing. (this seems expensive at first glance, but not nearly as expensive as the ineffective system currently in place. Google the "barrier" that the AZ state government has going-it's not what I would call "secure". It's basically a chain-link fence. Since these barriers would be quite large, the landowners could buy in bulk and save when market forces are allowed to work.)

That's all I have time for now. If I think of more, I'll type some up. ttyl.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I agree that defended borders are great. They keep people out. However, if it was all private how would we respond when La Raza just buys one piece property on the border and lets all the illegals in?

This is a prime reason why all public property should be immediately ceded to private ownership via both homesteading and original ownership (as best as can be done). There is now a tension where there should be none. So the two sides fight. This is the natural tension in every State.

Do you agree with unbridled private property ownership? Do you agree that private property is the basis for our rights? Do you agree once you leave the realm of unbridled private property ownership that you venture into the realm of arbitrary considerations and therefore your consideration is no more just than any other?

Answer these questions honestly.

 

[Dieseler]

Good 'ol Gary.

I don't remember the Pincer Effect though. Would you describe it please?

Starts on page 78.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2297676/c...e-Dare-Call-it-Conspiracy-english-rarereactor

 

[Met Income]

I agree that defended borders are great. They keep people out. However, if it was all private how would we respond when La Raza just buys one piece property on the border and lets all the illegals in?

End the welfare state and then it doesn't matter.

 

[LibertyEagle]

End the welfare state and then it doesn't matter.

Yes, it does. Once again, if you allow people in the door faster than they can be assimilated, and in some cases, some who have no interest in becoming Americans at all, it will assure that any semblance of our founding principles will be drowned out completely. This of course is what the globalists want, which is why illegal immigration has been promoted and little has been done to stop it.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Starts on page 78.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2297676/c...e-Dare-Call-it-Conspiracy-english-rarereactor

Thanks Diesler.

 

[Dieseler]

Thanks Diesler.

Your welcomed.
I wonder how he would analyze the situation today.