Are you for open borders?

[Met Income]

i didn't chose to be a human who can't fly either

That's fine. Humans aren't preventing you from flying. I am having my choices prevented because of the State.

 

[Met Income]

Why does a private security company get to enforce their monopoly of violence on a person if that person does not consent?

Even a private company should not initiate violence against another. If the government didn't do this, they'd be cool too. It's not the monopoly that makes something immoral, it's the violence. The monopoly just makes the system that much less efficient and effective at carrying out its goal. We know this.

 

[Met Income]

exactly!

Why are private security companies any different than public ones? they're both hired by some to force on others.

Again, he said that, not me. He put words in my mouth.

 

[The Patriot]

Even a private company should not initiate violence against another. If the government didn't do this, they'd be cool too. It's not the monopoly that makes something immoral, it's the violence. The monopoly just makes the system that much less efficient and effective at carrying out its goal. We know this.

So no one has the right to prosecute child rape?

 

[WaltM]

They do in that you cannot justify initiating violence against them.

why this time?

Well, how?

by knowing what you need, want and making it hard (or impossible) for you to get it.

You don't have a right to hit a child. Obviously, you have the ability to do so, because you're stronger, but that's on you.

Child protection services would be proud of you.

It doesn't because it did not acquire the property legitimately.

Tell me what's acquired legitimately? Please.

It used force and violence to acquire it.

It's called work & labor.

If people donated to the State and it used that money to buy property on the free market, the transaction would be legitimate.

They do, it's called lobbying & corporate cooperation.

Not everyone that it rules over consents. In that sense, it does not have a legitimate authority over these people.

exactly, and I don't recognize your standard of morality and property over me, please don't force it on me.

Yes, since you have a right to not be violated.

WOW. What's that mean? society owes me my entitlement of freedom from violation? Police state for the good?

Don't violate others because you don't want them to violate you.

It's not violation if I never agreed to respect their boundaries.

 

[WaltM]

So no one has the right to prosecute child rape?

I bet he'll say everybody has the right to prosecute and punish.

 

[WaltM]

Even a private company should not initiate violence against another.

Who's watching them?

If the government didn't do this, they'd be cool too. It's not the monopoly that makes something immoral, it's the violence.

so you agree that competition isn't always good, monopoly isn't always bad, it's violence that's more important to avoid?

The monopoly just makes the system that much less efficient and effective at carrying out its goal. We know this.

you assume you know the goal, don't you?

 

[WaltM]

That's fine. Humans aren't preventing you from flying. I am having my choices prevented because of the State.

just as you can't overcome, overthrow, or abolish the state, I can't abolish my fate and nature.

 

[Met Income]

why this time?

Always. Again, the initiaon of violence is never justied.

by knowing what you need, want and making it hard (or impossible) for you to get it.

Please elaborate, since this is very vague. And since you said "me" please be specific.

Child protection services would be proud of you.

Um, ok.

Tell me what's acquired legitimately? Please.

I told you in the post that you quote. Please re-read.

It's called work & labor.

And the the initiation of violence and coercion, which is clearly wrong.

They do, it's called lobbying & corporate cooperation.

Except they use my money against my consent, which is clearly wrong.

exactly, and I don't recognize your standard of morality and property over me, please don't force it on me.

I'm not forcing morality on you. You don't have to think that violating is me is wrong, you just don't have a right to do it and shouldn't do it.

WOW. What's that mean? society owes me my entitlement of freedom from violation? Police state for the good?

It means if you don't have a right to violate me and are wrong if you do so. Police state for the good? Please don't put words in my mouth.

It's not violation if I never agreed to respect their boundaries.

Yes, it is, because I own myself and you don't.

 

[Met Income]

I bet he'll say everybody has the right to prosecute and punish.

Where did I say that? Quote me. Are you able to not put words in my mouth and create ridiculous straw man arguments?

 

[Met Income]

Who's watching them?

Like anything else, the consumers.

so you agree that competition isn't always good, monopoly isn't always bad, it's violence that's more important to avoid?

Again, never said that. This is becoming a habit for you. Clearly, competition is better than a monopoly.

you assume you know the goal, don't you?

They claim the goal is life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but that's impossible when you stick guns in people's faces and tell them what to do.

 

[Met Income]

just as you can't overcome, overthrow, or abolish the state, I can't abolish my fate and nature.

I'm not preventing you from voluntarily having your state. I wouldn't enslave you like that. But since I am an individual who exists separate of you, and therefore, not your slave, I am allowed to opt out of the State that I never agreed to join.

 

[Met Income]

So no one has the right to prosecute child rape?

Who said that? Can you please not put words in my mouth? Thanks.

 

[WaltM]

Like anything else, the consumers.

So if consumers chose to pay private security to violate others, what's your defense?

Again, never said that. This is becoming a habit for you. Clearly, competition is better than a monopoly.

Not clear to me at all, you keep saying that you don't want competing theories of justice and morality and only yours is correct.

They claim the goal is life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but that's impossible when you stick guns in people's faces and tell them what to do.

what if that was the means to the end?

 

[WaltM]

Where did I say that? Quote me. Are you able to not put words in my mouth and create ridiculous straw man arguments?

you said consumers, which means practically everybody, with credentials and authority. or at least you said "we are all morally justified to do it"

 

[The Patriot]

Even a private company should not initiate violence against another. If the government didn't do this, they'd be cool too. It's not the monopoly that makes something immoral, it's the violence. The monopoly just makes the system that much less efficient and effective at carrying out its goal. We know this.

So no one has the right to prosecute a child rapist?

Ok.

 

[The Patriot]

Who said that? Can you please not put words in my mouth? Thanks.

I asked the question, I am not putting words in your mouth. Answer the question.

 

[WaltM]

I asked the question, I am not putting words in your mouth. Answer the question.

yes, please Met Income, if he put words in your mouth, please correct him and say he's wrong, simply denying one conclusion after another inference is tiring, are you afraid of what we'd think after you answer the question?

 

[mediahasyou]

So no one has the right to prosecute a child rapist?

Ok.

In a anarcho-capitalist society, child rape would be prosecuted by the DRO of the child. Since the rapist initiated force against the child, the rapist owes a debt to the child. Therefore, the DRO will take necessary actions to collect that debt. Business ostracism and negotiating would socially pressure the rapist to consent to an arbitration. If he did not, he would be cut off from the rest of society.

If you are the curious type, "The Market for Liberty" has a more detailed explanation: http://freekeene.com/free-audiobook/

 

[Kalashnikov Josh]

I'm more of a Constitutional Libertarian than a socialist or wanna be anarchist,an American first and foremost,regardless of political stripe,religion,or whatever- so therefore I have to insist that our national sovereignty be respected and enforced.
Along with all the other precedents and law found in the Constitution of the United States of America.

I simply dont understand whats 'libertarian' about a border free,one world 'utopia'.Sounds more like what the globalists have in mind for us-a world oligarchy with a socialist government structure.
Anyone who thinks thats a good idea needs to learn what is meant by the term 'useful idiots'.

And anyone who thinks anarchy is a good idea needs to understand that if you have no government-someone with the organized structure of government will come and impose their government on you.All this 'agrarian society' nonsense is tripe.Look whats happened to all the 'agrarian societies' before us.
Altruistic idealism notwithstanding,those are the breaks of the reality in which we find ourselves here on Earth.

I'd rather have the benefits of a central government limited by law than either the woes of an oligarchy or be the conquest of a more advanced society.

I'd like my Republic back,please.

You socialists/anarchists hiding behind Libertarian labels are making it pretty easy to identify yourselves with this post.

I thought roaches liked hiding in the dark?

P.S.-in this American Republic,a REAL criminal like a rapist would be given a fair trial consisting of due process under law,and if found guilty-a quick execution.
The justice system would be unburdened by the enforcement of 'mala prohibita' law (like the 'war on drugs' and all the other 'big brother told you no' laws) and being able to squarely focus on the real criminals-the rapists,murderers,and robbers-the violators of the 'natural law ' or 'mala en se' law;we would be able to carry out justice much more efficiently and fairly.
It can work.