Anyone else here pro-choice?

[loupeznik]

Atheist, Pro-life (in the original sense of the word) and anti death penalty. My judgement is not "clouded by religion", none of the pro-choice arguments have convinced me yet, many of them derive from modern feminism, the belief that a woman is more valuable and should have more freedoms than a man, or emotional, "She is poor and can't afford a child!". If your child had cancer and you couldn't afford treatment would you kill him also? It's purely selfish. Some "pro-choice" arguments in the thread...

"I don't want to tell a woman what to do with her body": I don't want to tell a woman what to do with her house either, but will I let her murder someone in her house without consequence? Absolutely not.

"Abortions are safer if they are legalized": So is rape or murder, but I don't value the life of a mother over her child's.

I am also an Atheist here. I also believe that a woman should not murder someone in her house without consequence. She should definitely be able to cast them out of her house at her will.

I am of coarse pro-choice.

 

[jumpyg1258]

Im pro choice up until the last trimester.

 

[Mckarnin]

I'm pro-keep your legs shut if you're not ready to accept what comes along with it.

 

[Mckarnin]

I think that this is a very interesting issue and will watch it. This is an interesting predicament since the Constitution upholds certain rights for individuals. I think er need to seriously consider whether an unborn child constitutes an "individual". If that is the case do all Constitutional rights of the child need to be protected?I would say yes.

 

[VoluntaryMan]

Whose choice? There is NO question of "when life begins." Any scientist knows the difference between a living and a dead organism, as should any intelligent person. It ain't rocket science; it's Biology 101...pretty simple, really. The serious question is "when do RIGHTS begin?" Do we determine that a life has no rights because of its extreme state of helplessness, and hopeless dependence upon its mother? Or, do we simply rule in favor of one over the other, when those rights come into conflict? Does the mother's right to life supercede the child's, when the mother's life cannot be saved without taking positive action to end the child's. Where is the line? Is there a line?

Should the child's right be deemed inadequate to survive the conflict presented by an untimely or inconvenient pregnancy? If so, what happens when technology advances to the point (as it surely will) that a child can be successfully and routinely transplanted from its mother to a willing surrogate, at even the very first stages of pregnancy, with significantly less trauma to the mother's body than the current methods of abortion? Then, the assertion of a mother's right to terminate her pregnancy will no longer necessitate the termination of the life of her child.

Anyone who values individual rights, and the unalienable right to life, should be careful about treating these questions too lightly.

 

[tarabyte]

I am for real choice, not coercion.

I've seen very small towns that preach abstinance only programs and have seen a 14 year old working on her second child.

I agree 100%. Sex education is extremely important. Just telling teens that pre-marital sex is a sin and not going into sufficient detail or offering a choice on the matter is bad.

pro-choice

You can't stop abortions. Outlawing abortions would be about as effective as outlawing drugs.

I agree completely.

The drugs and sex education items are very similar in nature. Kids need to be educated so they can make informed decisions.

Telling them something is outright wrong and then not bothering to try to win them over with rational debate is just going to encourage them to rebel. Teens always rebel against their parents.

These subjects should be approached through education and persuasion and not through guilt-tripping, saying it is just wrong, and telling them they can't do it.

It is better to lay out all the cards on the table, tell your kids from a rational point of view why you feel the way you do, and then give them their own freedom of choice, armed with the knowledge they need to protect themselves from the inherent dangers.

 

[tarabyte]

non-religious, anti-death penalty, pro-life as well.

If someone doesn't want a child, to the point they would rather kill the baby rather than raise it, then they shouldn't be having sex (or use birth control and condoms)

If abstinence is shoved down thees kids throats, they can often have no idea about birth control or condoms. Improper education causes more unwanted pregnancies.

 

[Jae0]

As i said in the other thread:

Im conflicted about abortion.
Personally, in my heart I think its absolutely wrong.
But, the other side of me that is my brain feels that its not my place to try to force my morals on other people. If a woman wants to get an abortion its her decision and she has to live with it for the rest of her life.

I guess in the end i'm fine with it being legal. As long as the government doesnt help fund it and the mothers have to see the ultrasound and hear the heartbeat before its done.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Fortunately, Ron "gets it".<IMHO>

 

[Theocrat]

"Abortion and Human Rights" by Gregory Koukl

For all of you "pro-choice" advocates on this thread, I highly recommend that you read this commentary, where Greg convincingly describes how the issue of abortion is truly no different than the issue of slavery. The issue to be considered is the issue of human rights.

 

[matterweisen]

im pro-choice, to a point. I believe you should get one, and thats it. but i also believe abortion is a personal local issue and should not be regulated by the federal government.

 

[GHoeberX]

I'm a pro-choice male and I am curious as to whether anyone else here, male or female, is as well.

I'm Pro-let-the-states-decide-everything-first and during a state election I'd be pro-choice.

 

[Marceline88]

I am pro-personal responsibility and not having sex unless your prepared to deter unwanted pregnancies or prepared to be a parent, yet I am also pro-not letting the government decide what I can and can't do with my own body, however I am also pro-"life begins at conception" and pro-it's a baby, a human and it has it's own rights and for God's sake please consider that before using abortion as contraception. I am also pro-allowing rape and incest victims to terminate their pregnancies if they desire to.

I am also anti-assholes who kill doctors and burn clinics and show graphic pictures of aborted fetuses to the public, my daughter doesn't need to see that. I am also anti-late term abortion unless the mother's life is in the balance.

I am.......quite sure it is not a black and white, simple or FEDERAL issue.

 

[Jae0]

"You stay out of my vagina and i'll stay out of yours"

 

[tarabyte]

I am pro-personal responsibility and not having sex unless your prepared to deter unwanted pregnancies or prepared to be a parent, yet I am also pro-not letting the government decide what I can and can't do with my own body, however I am also pro-"life begins at conception" and pro-it's a baby, a human and it has it's own rights and for God's sake please consider that before using abortion as contraception. I am also pro-allowing rape and incest victims to terminate their pregnancies if they desire to.

I am also anti-assholes who kill doctors and burn clinics and show graphic pictures of aborted fetuses to the public, my daughter doesn't need to see that. I am also anti-late term abortion unless the mother's life is in the balance.

I am.......quite sure it is not a black and white, simple or FEDERAL issue.

I pretty much agree with you on your stances

Although I'm not sure if life really begins at conception or not.

But I do agree completely with your approach on the whole abortion issue, and I wish everyone took the same approach as you do.

 

[roversaurus]

Mostly pro life.

I really think returning the issue to the states is the best way to solve
the controversial issue.

And I really appreciate those who disagree setting the issue aside for
more important issues.
So, to the Democrats, I say - If Ron Paul is not on the ballot you guys just
tell me who you want me to support and I'll be there for you too.

 

[Janet0116]

pro-choice female here

 

[rp08orbust]

I think the legality of abortion should be decided at the county level. I would vote "pro-life" at the county level unless there was evidence that lots of poor women in the county were getting sick or dieing from getting them illegally.

 

[JMann]

I am pro-choice but believe Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional.

 

[angelatc]

What bothers me is preaching abstinence and treating sex as if it is evil actually increases the number of unwanted pregnancies.

Yet the same people who deny easy access to contraceptives and adamantly oppose sex education are the ones most pissed off about abortions.

Heck, they get pissed off about pregnancies in general.

With a notable exception in Mike Huckabee, people were merciless when the younger Spears girl announced she was pregnant. He was the only person gentle enough to say that he was glad she opted to give birth to her child. Everybody else insinuated she was a cheap whore.

She's a 16 year old kid, who made a mistake. The "compassion" I saw for her makes it clear that we're simply not ready or willing to love all the children.

A good many of us seem far more intent on using pregnancy as a penance for women who have sex.