Antidepressant Drugs Causing Epidemic of Mania, Mayhem and Murder

tttppp said:
I would agree that these drugs do "fuck" with your mind and body, but they do not improve it as advertised. The only real benefit psych drugs have is they sedate their patients. Patients which were violent in the past can be considered safer under medication because they are too tired to get out of bed, let alone kills someone. Problem is these drugs can have severe side effects, and when doctors just take guesses at what medications you should take, many times you get a horrible reaction. This is very common.
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*sigh* never mind. The point was that they really do alter your mind.
 
angelatc said:
Fair enough, but the "probably" part isn't provable. I could easily argue that there probably would have been more of these incidents if mentally ill people weren't getting their medications. I blame society's tendency to continually look to place blame on external sources, instead of focusing on individual responsibility.

Nobody is responsible for their own actions any more. It's the fault of big pharma, big government, corporate America, MK ULtra, chem trails, the Jooz...but nobody is ever just fucking insane.

Not that I actually look for objective (or even rational) discussion on the subject of anything on the forums, but the argument is clearly biased and one sided when people simply refuse to consider that there are indeed millions of people who are indeed helped by the same drugs and methods that are demonized here, without any legitimate studies to support their claims.

I just hope that the young libertarians reading these threads don't decide not to seek help for their personal demons out of a baseless paranoid fear proposed by the vocal outliers of society.
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You touched on something there. Nobody "is ever just fucking insane." Believe it or not, I actually believe that. There is always a cause for the things that people do, and the "just insane" part is something that has been drilled into the minds of people as a way to make taking drugs more acceptable. Even in the rare case that somebody may seem to do something violent or stupid for no reason whatsoever, there is usually a reason underneath it all. The "bunch of loonies" mindset is just another way for the government to classify and control people. Some people may seem crazy, but their condition is treatable, despite what we have been told.

You just seem to want to avoid any causal relationships between a totalitarian state and its techniques for control of society, and the way people behave. You can't ignore everything like you seem to want to. Eventually, you're going to have to face the facts that sometimes government is involved in these "conspiracies" because humans given power WILL abuse that power if they can, and believe me, they can. History is just one big string of conspiracies. It is the norm, not the exception. The only reason people like you believe conspiracies are some kind of crazy kooky thing to believe is because the people perpetrating the conspiracies have created that narrative which makes it the only "normal" and socially acceptable thing to believe. The evidence is all around us now, and we are not shifting the blame by putting it on government and big pharma and the state-controlled education system. We are pointing out the reality of our soceity today. The reality is not that just a bunch of random crazy shit happens and nobody knows why. Cause and effect, cause and effect.
 
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tttppp said:
There are no side effects to herbs. And herbs have the same effects on everyone. The key is taking the right herbs for you specific condition.
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tttppp said:
All herbs do the same thing for everyone. Everyone has different conditions, so the combination of herbs needs to be tailored for each person.
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You're absolutely right.

A toxic ingredient in a popular herbal remedy is linked to more than half of all cases of urinary tract cancer in Taiwan where use of traditional medicine is widespread, said a US study Monday.

Aristolochic acid (AA) is a potent human carcinogen that is found naturally in Aristolochia plants, an ingredient common in botanical Asian remedies for aiding weight loss, easing joint pain and improving stomach ailments.

The ancient herb has been touted around the world for thousands of years for everything from gout to childbirth, but scientists now know it carries serious risks of causing kidney disease and urinary cancers.

The latest research found it can interact with a person's DNA and form unique biomarkers of exposure, as well as creating signals within tumor suppressing genes that indicate the carcinogen has been ingested.
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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/herbal-remedy-blamed-high-cancer-rate-taiwan-study-204239835.html
 
Re:the OP-To be fair, Klonopin is prescribed for other things (like epilespy). I believe its use as an anti-depressant is "off-label". If I'm right, that changes the story a bit.
 
pcosmar said:
You can sue.. Go for it.
Of course you will be fighting the entire insurance industry,, The pharmaceutical industries, the Psychiatric industry, The US Government (FDA)
And all their combined resources.

I would just avoid the damn drugs.

Oh,, and to add,
Looking into this dark chapter is enough to eliminate any false view of a Benevolent Government.
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qft and +rep
 
Acala said:
I have no idea. But I am not aware, nor does the article cite, ANY evidence that anyone has demonstrated even a significant correlation between "these types of incidents" (whatever THAT means) and the use of xanax. So when the article jumps to the conclusion, repeated in the thread title, that certain drugs are causing murder etc. that is pure speculation.

There are literally millions of people who take xanax without acting violently, and many incidents of violence recorded through history before xanax was invented. So, if you want to be a careful, critical thinker, the ONLY thing you can conclude from this anecdotal evidence is that xanax and tequila do not prevent violence 100%. Anything beyond that is unsupported.

You are, of course, free to speculate at will. But don't pretend it is science.
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Have not read the whole thread but I can tell you through first hande experience-Xanax can cause a person to become irrational and violent. I went to a doctor who gave it to me for depression. I went from being incredibly depressed (sad) to ragingly angry. I was doing the dishes one day when I was taking it and in a spat of anger slammed the dishwasher closed with the dish racks sitting out on the door. Called the doctor to tell him it was causing me to go from not wanting to live to wanting to destroy things from being in a blind angry rage. The piece of crap doctor said that was not possible and dropped me as a patient. I quit taking the medicine and went back to being depressed (sad). Eventually I changed my situtation and that changed my problem with the depression.

These meds change the way you think and to act like there are people who cannot have this type of bad reaction to these drugs is wrong. Nothing changed about my situation except for taking xanax. I KNOW that is what caused me to be in such a blind rage. It came from out of nowhere and I reacted destructively before I could even think. Once I ditched the xanax I went back to being sad but not furious. Just because some people can be helped by it doesn't mean that there aren't some of us who can be turned irrational and manic.
 
The one time in my life I felt mildly depressed I bought myself a copy of the DSMV-III and self-diagnosed.

I also realized that I was boringly normal and that there are some really f-ed up folks out there.

Psychotropic drugs are way overperscribed, and too many Americans are way over medicated, yet the most natural anti-depressent known is illegal, as are drugs that have been clinically shown to treat drepresing and other mental disorders.

The entire medical industry in the USA is more about control than it is about health, and until the Federal Government gets completely out of it it is likely to stay so.
 
moostraks said:
Just because some people can be helped by it doesn't mean that there aren't some of us who can be turned irrational and manic.
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Common sense! Thanks!

I agree what works for some doesn't work for others.

Blanket statements about some of these drugs don't make sense to me, it's not like we're talking about cyanide where the physical effect is identical in every instance. Some of these drugs mess with brain chemistry by impeding neural transmission while others have more of a physical effect on the patient but every patient will react somewhat differently.

In the end it's up to the patient to do as you did....refuse to take medication that doesn't work for you.

I'm kind of leery about having the FDA and big-pharma in bed when it comes to messing with crazy peoples brain chemistry. But that raises the question; Who's going to keep an eye on big-pharma? Their business is formulating new chemical compounds and in the realm of "crazy" folks who can say if it's the drugs or the underlying issues that cause some patients to do what they do.

There's a moral/ethical and legal quagmire associated with any "treatment" of mental illness.
 
I heard a frightening lecture from a guy who had some well documented sources about the uptick in school shootings and the correlation to those kids being on Ritalin. It was back in 2006 so I can't remember a lot of the details but it scared the crap out of me.

Then after the lecture i went on a mini search and found a bunch of sites from some dr's who had done research which showed side effects of ritilan and a couple other ADD type drugs that included serious stuff like manic mood swings, suicidal thoughts, etc.

There were pages and pages of sources, not just 1 cooky infowars site or something, but multiple sources and multiple doctors.

(btw not calling info wars kooky, but the stuff I looked up was full of references)

I did that research on my own 5+ years ago, so unfortunately I don't have the sites or sources anymore. But it was scary.

Going back to the lecturer he was talking about the epidemic of medicating children and asking the population to take a step back before we start turning kids into zombies because they don't like sitting in a desk for 8hrs listening to boring subjects.

He was concerned about a generation of zombie children.

My only experience with medicating kids was my former neighbor she was raising a teenage boy alone, he was a sweet helpful boy. He was a bit sad about his dad leaving them when he was little. I guess he was going thru some emotional turmoil or depression or something and the doc prescribed something. He was on it for a while and she said she cried the whole time coz she didn't recognize him anymore while he was on it. She couldnt take him on the stuff and tossed it. She didn't wanna get into details, but it was bad. Well, she remarried and had a father figure in the home and i think it helped a lot...he was a good kid all along.


Again sorry I don't have specifics, this thread is 5 years too late for me to give better input, but it made me remember that scary lecture and my own startling research about ADD drugs.

I think the lecture was focused on ADD and the hyper one, and not solely ritilan.
 
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Western medicine has become a scam these days. A bunch of propaganda for big drug companies and their useless expensive dangerous chemical drugs which not only make it worse but cause other problems as well.

As someone who has taken the infamous acne drug accutane before, I can assure you that it can F with your mind. Not for all people, but for some. Also it only "cured" my acne for a few years then it came back- but then I went on a raw food diet and it permanently wiped out my acne- that's something they don't want you to know. Also before my raw food diet, when I had the big cysts taht would never go away with anything but expensive cortisone injections they lied to me. Dabbing organic apple cider vinegar on the cyst will make it go away in a few days, if not a day.

All they wanna do is drug you up with useless expensive dangerous pills. They hide the real truth. My friends mom was suffering from minor depression, went on these useless chemical pills and then became much worse. She has literally become addicted to these pills like a heroine addict is to heroine and will become suicidal if she is taken off the pills- she has become dependent on them- just what they want.
 
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nbhadja said:
Western medicine has become a scam these days. A bunch of propaganda for big drug companies and their useless expensive dangerous chemical drugs which not only make it worse but cause other problems as well.

As someone who has taken the infamous acne drug accutane before, I can assure you that it can F with your mind. Not for all people, but for some. Also it only "cured" my acne for a few years then it came back- but then I went on a raw food diet and it permanently wiped out my acne- that's something they don't want you to know. Also before my raw food diet, when I had the big cysts taht would never go away with anything but expensive cortisone injections they lied to me. Dabbing organic apple cider vinegar on the cyst will make it go away in a few days, if not a day.

All they wanna do is drug you up with useless expensive dangerous pills. They hide the real truth. My friends mom was suffering from minor depression, went on these useless chemical pills and then became much worse. She has literally become addicted to these pills like a heroine addict is to heroine and will become suicidal if she is taken off the pills- she has become dependent on them- just what they want.
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I agree 100%. Acne is from having an unclean liver...usually from bad foods. Getting a better diet is one way to reduce your acne problems.

As you said, drug companies are a scam. Eventually they are going to have a pill for every bodily function, and we'll all take pills all day long as if we are AIDS patients.
 
BlackTerrel said:
But you agree that we do not currently have an epidemic of mania, mayhem, and murder right? The title is fearmongering?

It sounds like we both agree the title is wrong.
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Yes, agreed, in fact, if anything, things are too safe, sane and regulated.

People walking about in a happy trance, induced by whatever cause, and the world's largest prison population in the world to keep a thumb on the malcontents.
 
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