Antidepressant Drugs Causing Epidemic of Mania, Mayhem and Murder

[pcosmar]

Another good documentary.

 

[ItsTime]

Most people who murder someone never murdered anyone before. Therefore, whatever they ate for breakfast the morning of the murder caused it.

Most people who are addicted to heroin smoked pot first. Therefore, pot causes heroin addiction.

The Great Depression ended after WWII therefore WWII ended the Great Depression.

I don't really care one way of the other, but you might want to understand the fallacies in the narratives humans create around cause and effect.

Using this reasoning nothing causing anything.

 

[pcosmar]

Thats exactly why legal action should be taken against them. If they don't have a rational explanation for giving a drug, they should be liable for the damages the medicine causes.

Nope,, They are insulated. Both the insurance companies and Pharmaceutical companies have buildings full of well paid lawyers to deal with this shit.

 

[tttppp]

Nope,, They are insulated. Both the insurance companies and Pharmaceutical companies have buildings full of well paid lawyers to deal with this shit.

Thats really a different topic. Unfortunately, cases are won or lost in this country based on who has the most money. Odds are a mentally unstable person is not going to have the resources to take on these people.

But that doesn't change the fact that these doctors SHOULD be liable for the damages their medication causes.

 

[dannno]

I do not believe that it is accidental.

http://ssristories.com/
http://www.ssristories.com/index.php?sort=date

And though the program was "officially" ended after the truth of it started leaking out,, I have never been convinced that it ended at all.

WARNING!

Withdrawal can often be more dangerous than continuing on a medication. It is important to withdraw extremely slowly from these drugs, usually over a period of a year or more, under the supervision of a qualified specialist. Withdrawal is sometimes more severe than the original
symptoms or problems.

That is no joke..

 

[pcosmar]

Thats really a different topic. Unfortunately, cases are won or lost in this country based on who has the most money. Odds are a mentally unstable person is not going to have the resources to take on these people.

But that doesn't change the fact that these doctors SHOULD be liable for the damages their medication causes.

Odds are that a mentally stable person would not be portrayed as such by the media and the public relations that would be painting him as a drooling imbecile.
"He must be psychotic or why would he be on pills."

Yes they should be responsible..

There are a great many things that "should be".

 

[John F Kennedy III]

And yet crime rates are actually falling.

Says who?

 

[dannno]

And yet crime rates are actually falling. Hard to reconcile......

Not really. The majority of crime and fraud, in dollar amounts, is committed by the elite/wealthy.

Most of the crimes you are referring to (measurable community crime rates, personal property crimes, etc) are committed because those people are poor and desperate, not because they are psychotic.

 

[tttppp]

Odds are that a mentally stable person would not be portrayed as such by the media and the public relations that would be painting him as a drooling imbecile.
"He must be psychotic or why would he be on pills."

Yes they should be responsible..

There are a great many things that "should be".

Too bad there are not lawyers who specialize in this. They could make a fortune taking doctors to court for side effects from medications. Really, how could doctors justify some of their recommendations? "Oh, the drug company paid me to prescribe it." I'm sure that would go over really well with a jury.

 

[pcosmar]

Too bad there are not lawyers who specialize in this. They could make a fortune taking doctors to court for side effects from medications. Really, how could doctors justify some of their recommendations? "Oh, the drug company paid me to prescribe it." I'm sure that would go over really well with a jury.

I think you would find the drug companies are contributing to defense of the doctors..

You do realize that no one was ever arrested nor charged for the crimes of MK Ultra. NO One.

 

[dannno]

But that doesn't change the fact that these doctors SHOULD be liable for the damages their medication causes.

I completely disagree. How on earth can you possibly prove if a medication caused a crazy person to act crazy, or whether they were simply acting crazy because they are psychotic!?

You'd have ALL doctors going out of business, because inevitably ALL doctors will treat a patient who experiences a negative outcome and has the potential to make money through lawsuits. So lawyers will get on board and take advantage.

The real problem is that the medical industry runs the FDA and has essentially made it illegal for anybody to advertise natural products, which are safer and more effective, as being effective cures or medications for these conditions.

No, lawsuits are not the answer. The answer is the free market. If a doctor is successfully treating patients with mental psychosis using plants and other inexpensive natural methods then insurance companies will see that they can provide a cost savings to their bottom line and direct their customers towards the more effective doctors by giving them a lower co-pay or only using those particular doctors.

The reason that isn't happening today has got to be at least 10 if not 100 fold.. but all of them have to do with the government controlling the insurance and medical industries with monopoly players acting to protect their industry and products.

 

[tttppp]

I think you would find the drug companies are contributing to defense of the doctors..

You do realize that no one was ever arrested nor charged for the crimes of MK Ultra. NO One.

Who's MK Ultra?

A competent lawyer would be able to point out who is paying for the defense of the doctors. That would really look bad if the doctor's defense was paid for by the drug companies. You might as well put a big GUILTY sign on the doctor. All that money cannot win cases for these doctors. What it does is drag the process out, and force the patient and his lawyers to spend more money. If they have the money to stay with the drug companies, the drug company or doctor will eventually lose the case. Unfortunately, the patient cannot recover the legal fees even if he wins, so at some point he has to make a decision as to whether or not its profitable to continue the case. Thats where these big companies get you. They make you spend so much money, its not even profitable.

 

[Jingles]

I don't believe a drug causes "murder" as much as I believe guns "cause" murder...

 

[tttppp]

I completely disagree. How on earth can you possibly prove if a medication caused a crazy person to act crazy, or whether they were simply acting crazy because they are psychotic!?

You'd have ALL doctors going out of business, because inevitably ALL doctors will treat a patient who experiences a negative outcome and has the potential to make money through lawsuits. So lawyers will get on board and take advantage.

The real problem is that the medical industry runs the FDA and has essentially made it illegal for anybody to advertise natural products, which are safer and more effective, as being effective cures or medications for these conditions.

No, lawsuits are not the answer. The answer is the free market. If a doctor is successfully treating patients with mental psychosis using plants and other inexpensive natural methods then insurance companies will see that they can provide a cost savings to their bottom line and direct their customers towards the more effective doctors by giving them a lower co-pay or only using those particular doctors.

The reason that isn't happening today has got to be at least 10 if not 100 fold.. but all of them have to do with the government controlling the insurance and medical industries with monopoly players acting to protect their industry and products.

Why would it be a bad thing if these doctors went out of business? Without these doctors scamming their patients, the natural medicine industry would get a big boost.

If a doctor's only explanation for giving a medication was that they were paid to give it out, you better believe they are liable for any damages it causes. I've been to some incompetent doctors before. Believe me, they are just guessing. And after they guess wrong 9 or 10 times, they want to guess more. The world would be a better place if these doctors just jumped of a cliff. Patients don't need to go to doctors who just take guesses for them. The need to go to doctors who know what they are doing.

 

[Jingles]

>The alleged shooting of a police officer in Austin by a man taking the anti-anxiety drug Xanax is just one of a plethora of recent incidents fueled by anti-depressant pharmaceuticals – an epidemic of mania that has swept the country.

Alprazolam is an anti-anxiety medication not a anti-depressant. It functions on the GABAb receptor similar to alcohol except alcohol effects all/majority of GABA receptors. This would be like stating that if I drink so I suddenly cause crime. Not trying to be a dick, but drugs themselves don't cause these things to occur. I've done my fair share of Xanax in my life and it has never caused me to kill people, commit violent acts, etc... This it what bothers me about infowars articles about drugs is they seem to blame the drugs themselves (and they are being pushed by X, Y, Z) so suddenly all pharms are bad. Benzos are very helpful to people with anxiety issues. These aren't SSRI's, and etc... that actually screw with serotonin levels permanently.

Yes the pharm companies are inbed with the government. Yes the drug war is unjust. Of course, but drugs themselves don't cause crime, but people cause crime. These articles just annoy me who was a former drug user in the the past and has done/looked into every recreational drug under the sun. Xanax doesn't make you kill people as much as drinking makes you kill people. It's about the people themselves and not the drug.

 

[No Free Beer]

Well no shit. He was mixing it with, what seems to be, a lot of alcohol.

 

[dannno]

Why would it be a bad thing if these doctors went out of business? Without these doctors scamming their patients, the natural medicine industry would get a big boost.

If a doctor's only explanation for giving a medication was that they were paid to give it out, you better believe they are liable for any damages it causes. I've been to some incompetent doctors before. Believe me, they are just guessing. And after they guess wrong 9 or 10 times, they want to guess more. The world would be a better place if these doctors just jumped of a cliff. Patients don't need to go to doctors who just take guesses for them. The need to go to doctors who know what they are doing.

What I'm saying is that in your situation those who provide natural medicines could also be sued by people who are psychotic who have psychotic episodes while on natural substances.. If the doctor is selling the substances to the patients, then they are essentially "being paid" to give it out to the patient. But the psychotic reaction they have could even be from a reaction from an old prescription medication that was taken over a year prior, but the natural medication gets blamed because it is really impossible to trace the blame like that in a court of law.

My point is that the reason the FDA exists is to keep an un-level playing field against natural medicines, and I believe if you put these medications on a level playing field then you'd have natural medicines win out in most cases and you wouldn't have the issues we are having today.

It's sort of like Ron Paul's position on immigration - he believes that if we took away the govt. incentives for illegals to come here, then those who came here for the most part would be welcomed because they would be providing lower cost labor which would benefit everyone.

 

[Jingles]

Well no shit. He was mixing it with, what seems to be, a lot of alcohol.

And that is called synergy (Increasing the effects of one specific type of drug with a drug of the same type). But having multiple of drugs in your system doesn't make you kill people. It has much, much more to do with the personality of the individual as well as situations. My body has at times contained more depressant class drugs than it should have survived, but I never killed anyone, violated anyones rights, stolen things, etc... I have blackedout enough in my life to understand that it really isn't about "blackouts" or using a bunch of drugs but how you are as a person (I've probably had a years worth of "blackouts in my life or more in regards to total time of my life" and I have never expressed an ounce of violence during such, nor have I been in a fight, etc....). If an individual is violent that will be more expressed if their inhibitions are lowered. That doesn't somehow make drug use/drinking bad as much as the fact that the specific individual is just a violent individual.

Like I said, it is not a drug as much as the individual.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I have no idea. But I am not aware, nor does the article cite, ANY evidence that anyone has demonstrated even a significant correlation between "these types of incidents" (whatever THAT means) and the use of xanax. So when the article jumps to the conclusion, repeated in the thread title, that certain drugs are causing murder etc. that is pure speculation.

There are literally millions of people who take xanax without acting violently, and many incidents of violence recorded through history before xanax was invented. So, if you want to be a careful, critical thinker, the ONLY thing you can conclude from this anecdotal evidence is that xanax and tequila do not prevent violence 100%. Anything beyond that is unsupported.

You are, of course, free to speculate at will. But don't pretend it is science.

Who's talking about science? Do you have to have a peer-reviewed study for EVERYTHING you believe?

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

My brother is bi-polar and takes several medications for it. Was he completely batshit insane and a violent individual before? Most definitely. Did the medicine make him better? Hell no. It made him worse and he ended up incarcerated.

Not everyone who takes a medication is going to flip out and kill someone though. Some people do actually need these drugs to function normally in society and without them would be flipping out and killing people (withdrawal has already been discussed in this thread which when coupled with the problems the have already makes for a really bad situation).