Who cares what the libertarians think, ron paul won't run a write-in campaign. some states don't count writeins. RP as GJ's VP is reasonable.
Another source has come out saying Ron Paul tinkering with 3rd party run.
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Who cares what the libertarians think, ron paul won't run a write-in campaign. some states don't count writeins. RP as GJ's VP is reasonable.
I share this feeling, but on the other hand, it just doesn't feel like it would be fair of us to lobby RP to take a VP slot to a guy probably 99% of the country even knows.
They're on the ballot. GJ was a 2 term Governor.
If it wouldn't be fair to lobby RP to take VP, then it definitely wouldn't be fair to lobby RP to run as an I without being on the ballot. Being the VP candidate is just easier work.
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I can't see myself asking Ron to run for VP. Let him retire. If he could run for President 3rd party, I could see it.
Ron needs to debate Obama and Romney. Ron could get the poll numbers to do it. Otherwise, I don't see the point.
Ron needs to debate Obama and Romney. Ron could get the poll numbers to do it. Otherwise, I don't see the point.
If Ron is not on the ballot, pollsters won't ask about Ron. If you can't vote for him, it doesn't matter if you would vote for him. Ron Paul gets a 0% in those
states he's not on the ballot.
I don't think anybody except Gary Johnson should be asking Ron Paul to be VP. Leave Ron Paul alone. No one, not Ron Paul, and not Ron Paul Grassroots, has the stomach for this fight. Doug Wead mentioned how Ron Paul pulled back from attacking Romney due to the possible consequences. If he was worried about consequences then, it's likely he still is. And grassroots just isn't mighty, not anywhere near what it would have to be. It also pulls back from a fight, more interested in
getting beat up and whining than doing the beating up. That was Romney, and they won.
What all of you who are most interested in the Presidential race should do is grab a GJ sign on Tuesday and stand on that street corner and yell like it's Ron Paul and it's 2007.
Ron Paul knows we'll support whatever he does, whether it's I or LP. We don't have to tell him. But he also knows that we're not mighty enough, so it doesn't matter.
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You are probably right, but that's the same thing they said about Bob Barr...
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I don't see any benefit to Ron being VP. If it were LP or nothing, and GJ didn't see his own way to wanting Ron as Pres this go round, to raise his own profile for a future run, I'd say Ron should just not do it. It would be way beneath where he is for Ron to go BACK to VP role, and the only reason for Ron to do it is the presidential debates. With Gary in the polling question against Romney and Obama, Gary gets 1% and nowhere near the debates, VP OR president. With Ron being polled, he multiple times has polled above 15%, only ONCE below it, at 13%, at the time when his support was most questioned right after Rand endorsed. Ron would most likely poll enough to get them in the debates, barring a miracle, it looks like Gary would not.
Also, Ron can get matching funds which alone would dwarf what Gary could raise, if he will file for them, which means a higher profile run for the party and for Gary.
So LP can do the necessary things to get Ron on or not as president. I see no value and it not being worth it for Ron to go as VP. It would be insulting, frankly, given how much he would be bringing to the table.
And the polls Ron needs to do well in are NATIONAL polls, not state polls. And pollsters would ask that or wouldn't regardless of if he were off some ballots. Gary doing well in a STATE won't get him near the debates. And I wouldn't support a ticket with Ron as VP, I don't even think he should do it, and Gary in the presidential debate does nothing for me.
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Doug didn't say RON pulled back from attacking but that after Romney was seen as winning, the CAMPAIGN did. Ron rarely attacks, and does similarly to all. 'Fake' to Santorum was the one point that was different, but that was because a guy who voted for NCLB and was the whip for the Bush administration spending plans was trying to run as a fiscal conservative.
This would be a different race. I wouldn't badger Ron about it, but I'd let him know I'd support it, but only as Presidential candidate, the campaign would have to be about HIM.
And again, the polls are national polls, not state polls, and Ron would be on some ballots and running write in in other places. If he takes matching funds and has somethin like $15 million to start with, some polls SHOULD ask about them. If they don't, it is because pollsters don't like to ask about him, same as Gary, but based on polling to date, Ron would, and Gary would not, poll high enough to get in debates.
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But that was Wead, before RNC, giving his opinion. Not Ron himself, after RNC saying he still hadn't ruled it out, which was what was said on the call.
I don't think it is likely he will run, but I'd support it, if he were running as president.
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Ron isn't going to run. He told us that multiple times.
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Only those already supporting GJ think Ron should bother running as VP, and per Rasmussen, they only poll as 1%.
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He never told us that in those terms. And apparently he told a credible grass roots activist personally, AFTER RNC that he hadn't ruled it out, but what he saw as barriers, so he wasn't thinking he likely would.
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So basically, nothing has changed. Ron has consistently refused to rule it out, but he also offered hypothetical scenarios such as the world economy crashing down, the bottom coming out of the dollar, etc. when explaining why he'd run.
Idk why everyone is so worked up about this. I suppose it may be all the GJ people. Barring some major event, I think the best plan is leaving Ron to some well deserved rest and focusing on local races.
Btw, I haven't read the entire thread, but has anyone mentioned that Romney is sure to still have the anti-Paul PR campaign in play?
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Or the RNC and Mitt Romney screwing his delegates harder than he ever imagined possible.
Do we really care about an anti-Paul PR campaign? This is part and parcel of running in a presidential election. But the bigger issue is that it will be a 3-way race and not 2. This changes everything. Suddenly Obama and Romney cannot focus on each other, and besides that they are similar on many issues.
It does not make sense for RP to take a VP slot, especially not after he has been campaigning for president. That would be a desperation move. I would like RP to run for President because he has a good shot at winning it. Voter turnout in the general election is very low, Ron Paul has the most enthusiastic supporters, and he is a clear contrast from Obama and Romney. He did very well in the early Republican primary states. I found out that several of my friends actually support Ron Paul but were not into politics and I couldn't get them to the primaries or caucus. But if RP is on the general election he is getting their vote. RP also appeals to Democrats and independents.
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For some reason RP doesn't strike me as spiteful. There is more for Ron to gain, in advancing Liberty, by not running.
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Unless he tells us he's not going to run, using the exact words we demand in the exact order we demand, then that means he's still a candidate.
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I agree, although I think the Libertarian Party people will get up in arms if we try to oust their candidate down to VP, just from a few things I've read here and there online. Not necessarily those who supported RP and are now supporting GJ, but the ones who have been working for the GJ grassroots all along. I would expect some hostility.
That being said, I am going to avoid absolutes until we hear something more tangible. I think it is interesting we haven't really heard anything from Ron since he left the RNC, so that could very well be an indication he is mulling it all over. (or it could just means he's trying to stay out of the limelight and enjoy some time with his family)
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Kind of like how Ron Paul was still in the race, even after saying he wasn't, because he didn't say it after doing the secret sign.
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Kind of like how Ron Paul was still in the race, even after saying he wasn't, because he didn't say it after doing the secret sign.
He used the word "expect." And if you paid close attention, some people here, every time they refered to that statement, they used the word "expect," like it was a key word, meaning essentially "don't take any of this seriously."
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