Another source has come out saying Ron Paul tinkering with 3rd party run.

[parocks]

I think the only way this idea gets off the ground is if Mr. Gray says publicly (with Gov. Johnson's and the LNC's assent of of course) that he is willing to step aside and publicly ask Paul to consider joining the ticket. Anything else would look like he was trying to muscle his way onto the ticket.

I find it amazing RP simply cannot give a definite yes or no answer to any question. By not saying he absolutely rules out any such non-major party bid he encourages sincere people like this fellow in Alaska who are not willing to see the campaign come to an end say "so you're saying there's still a chance right?" Sometimes he brings his own problems on himself.

Of course Rand has probably gotten wind of this by now (news never stays hidden around here) and I guarantee you he's going to make sure RP doesn't announce anything newsworthy on Leno this Tuesday.

Sounds like the last 3 months. Ron Paul Campaign sends out an email with not enough delegates to win. Everyone attacks Benton instead of realizing what it means. I'm there too, explaining what a Black Swan event was and how it could effect things.

Ron isn't going to cut off his options. So don't expect him to. A Johnson / Paul ticket on the LP is more feasible than Ron Paul as an I. I can see the first one, not the 2nd. Unless some Mark Cuban type steps up into the VP spot with Ron Paul. The money just isn't there otherwise.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

So where is this money bomb? Even if he does not run 3rd party, we can use the money from it to help other liberty candidates.

 

[No1butPaul]

Well, between this and the lawsuit it all is starting to seem like grasping at straws. I don't mean to sound defeatist, but I don't think it's out of line to express some skepticism. Right now I'm thinking about vote for Johnson = -1 for Romney, but vote for Obama = -2 for Romney (for the swing state voters).

 

[Bronies-4-Paul]

I'll give all my disposable money, available time and vote at a Paul/Johnson ticket.

 

[Badger Paul]

"Ron isn't going to cut off his options"

So again, this is an option right?

I hope his secretaries enjoy all the phone calls.

 

[eleganz]

Well, between this and the lawsuit it all is starting to seem like grasping at straws. I don't mean to sound defeatist, but I don't think it's out of line to express some skepticism. Right now I'm thinking about vote for Johnson = -1 for Romney, but vote for Obama = -2 for Romney (for the swing state voters).

its about the national debate. i honestly think we'd all be letting ourselves down if we let those two turds argue between each other like they have something of value to say. we can run ron this last time to open the minds of the nation and make them question why ron wasn't elected instead of the 2 idiots and why the third parties are always screwed. it takes a lot for somebody to awaken from the slumber.

 

[sailingaway]

Sounds like the last 3 months. Ron Paul Campaign sends out an email with not enough delegates to win. Everyone attacks Benton instead of realizing what it means. I'm there too, explaining what a Black Swan event was and how it could effect things.

Ron isn't going to cut off his options. So don't expect him to. A Johnson / Paul ticket on the LP is more feasible than Ron Paul as an I. I can see the first one, not the 2nd. Unless some Mark Cuban type steps up into the VP spot with Ron Paul. The money just isn't there otherwise.

Johnson got 1% in Rasmussen http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S2747708.shtml?cat=504 You need 15 % to be in debates. Ron has multiple times exceeded that. Ron being Pres on the ticket gives GJ, who is young enough to run again, a solid chance of being in at least the VP debate, otherwise he has no chance at all. Ron would bring everything and what he would get as VP isn't worth it. The presidential debate would be the reason to do it.

GJ has no NEED to do it, but gets a benefit if he makes Ron the Presidential nominee. Ron can run independent or not run, but VP doesn't seem worth it at all.

I will call and email to encourage him to run as President to be in the presidential debate, but I will say I can see why he wouldn't think VP was worth it.

Then he does what he does. I'll support him, not badger him.

 

[PursuePeace]

its about the national debate. i honestly think we'd all be letting ourselves down if we let those two turds argue between each other like they have something of value to say. we can run ron this last time to open the minds of the nation and make them question why ron wasn't elected instead of the 2 idiots and why the third parties are always screwed. it takes a lot for somebody to awaken from the slumber.

Absolutely agree.

 

[orenbus]

I'd rather have Ron independent or not run at all than VP so if Gary doesn't want to be VP with higher profile from more funding Ron would bring in, and the likelihood of being in at least VP debate -- instead of no debate at all -- and young enough to run again, despite the fact that GJ just got 1% in a Rasmussen poll against Obama and Romney, then that is fine. GJ doesn't have to do anything. But as VP I just don't see the benefit being worth it for Ron to run, particularly in second place to someone polling so far below him.

If they get into the debates, Ron is who will get them in, and the pollsters only mention the presidential candidate's name.

Agreed.

edit: except for that last point, a VP's name can be mentioned but usually only in a negative light such as Palin or in this case:

 

[parocks]

I think the question is really..... would having ron in the national debates be worth the prospect of potentially flushing any future we had with the GOP down the drain?

How would that "flushing" work? It hurts Ron Paul's future in the Republican Party. It might hurt Rand Paul's future in the Republican Party. But it doesn't hurt Liberty's future. Ron Paul goes up there as VP with Gary, or up there as P with Mark Cuban, and gets a lot of votes, both parties are going to try to get those votes. We'll continue to try to win state committee seats and get our people in there as GOP State Chair. And we pick Liberty Candidates and the State GOP we control spends to benefit the candidates we like. This is almost entirely dependent on who shows up at the GOP meetings. I'm not sure what effect Ron Paul doing this will have on attendence at GOP meetings where votes for committee take place.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

its about the national debate. i honestly think we'd all be letting ourselves down if we let those two turds argue between each other like they have something of value to say. we can run ron this last time to open the minds of the nation and make them question why ron wasn't elected instead of the 2 idiots and why the third parties are always screwed. it takes a lot for somebody to awaken from the slumber.

Yep. It is well worth it. It is not about winning anymore for 2012. It is more about using this oppurtunity to open the minds of potentially millions who will help us in 2016.

Do the rest of you guys honestly think that Rand Paul or any current liberty loving statesmen can win in 2016 if we don't grow in leaps? For all we know, GOP will put on the same circus show in 2016 and screw us again just because we didnt have "enough" support.

From what I read, support for the movement grown by 2-4x in many states when compared between 2008 and 2012. Ron Paul was getting 2nd and 3rd place out of 5 or 6 candidates like Iowa and New Hamshire. If 2-4x growth can be achieved again for 2016, we'd be rolling good. I think the debates will be required to improve chances in 2016... especially for Rand.

 

[RickyJ]

Evan Cuttler (sp?) seems to think it is definitely possible to sway Ron Paul to decide to run third party. We got nothing to lose so I will be making those calls.

 

[mport1]

I'm guessing the chances of GJ voluntarily stepping aside for RP is slim to none.

Maybe not. He probably realizes by now that his campaign is going nowhere and may want to save himself the embarrassment of a 1% showing.

 

[parocks]

Johnson got 1% in Rasmussen http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S2747708.shtml?cat=504 You need 15 % to be in debates. Ron has multiple times exceeded that. Ron being Pres on the ticket gives GJ, who is young enough to run again, a solid chance of being in at least the VP debate, otherwise he has no chance at all. Ron would bring everything and what he would get as VP isn't worth it. The presidential debate would be the reason to do it.

GJ has no NEED to do it, but gets a benefit if he makes Ron the Presidential nominee. Ron can run independent or not run, but VP doesn't seem worth it at all.

I will call and email to encourage him to run as President to be in the presidential debate, but I will say I can see why he wouldn't think VP was worth it.

Then he does what he does. I'll support him, not badger him.

Not being on the ballot is a real problem. People who support Ron Paul would support him as Pres or VP. Unless Ron Paul is at the top of an Indie ticket with a Mark Cuban who would spend a lot of his own money, somehow getting his name on ballots.

Think about this: if Ron Paul is not on the ballot in a state, the pollsters will not ask about Ron Paul. That will effect his polling numbers. If Gary Johnson is on the ballot, they would (or could) ask about him. If Ron Paul is the VP, Ron Paul supporters will know to pick Gary Johnson when they're called by pollsters.

 

[parocks]

Maybe not. He probably realizes by now that his campaign is going nowhere and may want to save himself the embarrassment of a 1% showing.

Gary Johnson probably will do better than any other Libertarian.

 

[parocks]

I've never seen anyone mention this, but Rand Paul is up for reelection in 2016. That has a large bearing on running in 2016.

Yep. It is well worth it. It is not about winning anymore for 2012. It is more about using this oppurtunity to open the minds of potentially millions who will help us in 2016.

Do the rest of you guys honestly think that Rand Paul or any current liberty loving statesmen can win in 2016 if we don't grow in leaps? For all we know, GOP will put on the same circus show in 2016 and screw us again just because we didnt have "enough" support.

From what I read, support for the movement grown by 2-4x in many states when compared between 2008 and 2012. Ron Paul was getting 2nd and 3rd place out of 5 or 6 candidates like Iowa and New Hamshire. If 2-4x growth can be achieved again for 2016, we'd be rolling good. I think the debates will be required to improve chances in 2016... especially for Rand.

 

[ProBlue33]

I am for any ticket that screws Romney because of his ruthless fixing and rigging this election cycle.
There is an old saying from the bible "you reap what you sow", known today as "what goes around comes around".

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

I am for any ticket that screws Romney because of his ruthless fixing and rigging this election cycle.
There is an old saying from the bible "you reap what you sow", known today as "what goes around comes around".

Yeah. It is not like Ron will speak ill about Romney or even Obamacare/Romneycare.

 

[Indy Vidual]

Gary Johnson probably will do better than any other Libertarian.

Hope so

 

[LibertyEagle]

He's not running. Give it up.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...n-Paul-3rd-Party-Rumors-Confirmed-to-be-FALSE