Another source has come out saying Ron Paul tinkering with 3rd party run.

[zeloc]

For some reason RP doesn't strike me as spiteful. There is more for Ron to gain, in advancing Liberty, by not running.

There is nothing to gain in not running.

 

[sailingaway]

So basically, nothing has changed. Ron has consistently refused to rule it out, but he also offered hypothetical scenarios such as the world economy crashing down, the bottom coming out of the dollar, etc. when explaining why he'd run.

Idk why everyone is so worked up about this. I suppose it may be all the GJ people. Barring some major event, I think the best plan is leaving Ron to some well deserved rest and focusing on local races.

Btw, I haven't read the entire thread, but has anyone mentioned that Romney is sure to still have the anti-Paul PR campaign in play?

I don't think most people think that was anything more than a reason the campaign threw out to justify what it did sort of 'Romney was going to win so it wasn't worth putting Ron through that'. I don't see how Romney would be worse that Bush and Rove whom he already went up against in Texas. Nationwide, of course, but Ron really is pure, and if they raise the issues, many will look into them, and discover that.

It may or may not happen, I think it is still pretty unlikely, but it sounds like Ron hasn't ruled it out even yet, which surprised me. I assume because the RNC was such blatant cheating and the rule changing when Ron HAD enough states to be placed into nomination was enough to make anyone angry.

 

[zeloc]

I agree, although I think the Libertarian Party people will get up in arms if we try to oust their candidate down to VP, just from a few things I've read here and there online. Not necessarily those who supported RP and are now supporting GJ, but the ones who have been working for the GJ grassroots all along. I would expect some hostility.

That being said, I am going to avoid absolutes until we hear something more tangible. I think it is interesting we haven't really heard anything from Ron since he left the RNC, so that could very well be an indication he is mulling it all over. (or it could just means he's trying to stay out of the limelight and enjoy some time with his family)

I don't think we should try to "oust" anyone, if the VP on the Libertarian ticket decides to step down and Gary Johnson decides to accept the VP slot, then all is well, but if either of them don't, then no one should remove them against their will. As much as I'd like to see Ron Paul run, it should be done the right way or not at all.

 

[sailingaway]

I agree, although I think the Libertarian Party people will get up in arms if we try to oust their candidate down to VP, just from a few things I've read here and there online. Not necessarily those who supported RP and are now supporting GJ, but the ones who have been working for the GJ grassroots all along. I would expect some hostility.

That being said, I am going to avoid absolutes until we hear something more tangible. I think it is interesting we haven't really heard anything from Ron since he left the RNC, so that could very well be an indication he is mulling it all over. (or it could just means he's trying to stay out of the limelight and enjoy some time with his family)

we wouldn't oust their candidate. They would have to decide if Ron's running as president offered enough benefits that THEY want it. It would be their decision. I am just against Ron doing it at all as VP, and can see big benefits to the LP with running Ron as president. But it is their decision to make if they want to, now they know Gary Johnson is polling at 1%.

 

[sailingaway]

I don't think we should try to "oust" anyone, if the VP on the Libertarian ticket decides to step down and Gary Johnson decides to accept the VP slot, then all is well, but if either of them don't, then no one should remove them against their will. As much as I'd like to see Ron Paul run, it should be done the right way or not at all.

Of course, and I can't imagine Ron taking it if it weren't offered by them, nor COULD he, if you think about it.

 

[sailingaway]

For some reason RP doesn't strike me as spiteful. There is more for Ron to gain, in advancing Liberty, by not running.

Showing the RNC they can't get away with cheating, so not to try it in future years, isn't 'spite'. When do people change behavior if they get away with it?

But I'm not thinking this is likely. However, one of the points made on the call last night was that ONE of the points Ron raised was not thinking he had enough support. On THAT front, grass roots has a role to show he would have support. The rest is up to Ron, who can always run independent with as many ballots as he can get and write ins in most of the rest, or to the LP IF and ONLY IF, they see enough benefits to Ron running LP to offer Ron the top slot.

So it is still unlikely, but I had thought Ron had ruled it out, and was surprised to learn he hadn't, after RNC. At this point in 2008 he HAD ruled it out.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Of course, and I can't imagine Ron taking it if it weren't offered by them.

Perhaps even if Gary and the party agreed, I think a poll of the LP voters (not us, but the ones that voted earlier) should be taken and let them have a voice.

 

[NY-Dano]

Do we really care about an anti-Paul PR campaign?

That's the kind of talk you hear from people who believe they have nothing to lose. Ultimately, I believe this is one of the big divides in the Liberty Movement right now. There are those who believe we have nothing to lose because, 'its all coming crashing down anyhow, so who cares?' And then there are those of us who believe that the system will keep on going on as it always has, with a very gradual decline into economic stagnation and tyranny. Under this second scenario the best approach is to play politics, as much as we all may hate it.

 

[Natural Citizen]

That's the kind of talk you hear from people who believe they have nothing to lose. Ultimately, I believe this is one of the big divides in the Liberty Movement right now. There are those who believe we have nothing to lose because, 'its all coming crashing down anyhow, so who cares?' And then there are those of us who believe that the system will keep on going on as it always has, with a very gradual decline into economic stagnation and tyranny. Under this second scenario the best approach is to play politics, as much as we all may hate it.

My issue with those who accept that repatriating the GOP is the way to go is that they premise it upon the schematics of the election process in general. Not much speak from them relevant to the goings on in the world. Many of which are not placed properly into perspective with what the GOP has been spewing over the last 8 years or so.

I never cared for the old cough it up and follow me speak. There needs to be more substance (relevant substance) from those working within the establishment platform.

 

[sailingaway]

With what the RNC did with the rules, no one will ever be nominated who is not approved by establishment. They pick the delegates, they can change the rules at any time if there is something that happens to give a candidate they don't like an edge that they haven't thought of to block in advance.

I don't think we are interested in establishment approved candidates.

I'm not saying give up on the GOP, I think we should redouble efforts. However, I can certainly see where showing what competition could do might be a good thing, both at the polls and in the courts, because I still think we have a heck of a disenfranchisement suit we could bring.

 

[wgadget]

FREE MARKET PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS!

All we need is MORE CHOICES.

 

[zeloc]

That's the kind of talk you hear from people who believe they have nothing to lose. Ultimately, I believe this is one of the big divides in the Liberty Movement right now. There are those who believe we have nothing to lose because, 'its all coming crashing down anyhow, so who cares?' And then there are those of us who believe that the system will keep on going on as it always has, with a very gradual decline into economic stagnation and tyranny. Under this second scenario the best approach is to play politics, as much as we all may hate it.

You have my position totally wrong. It's not because I'm thinking 'its all coming crashing down anyhow, so who cares?', but rather my incredible optimism that Ron Paul is an excellent candidate with excellent positions and strong grassroots supporters that we will prevail over any anti-Paul PR campaign (if he were to run).

 

[CPUd]

Check what we have now:
http://www.dailypaul.com/253601/we-...nson-paul-2012-ticket-update-from-evan-cutler

I was contacted by two County Organizers for Ron Paul in Florida this morning. They say they have a Billionaire who will pledge a vast portion of his fortune to help any Presidential Candidate who will sign a campaign pledge stating what they will do in office, and promising to report progress and take responsibility for success or failure in the first year.

I thought it was a joke at first, but sadly, not.

 

[zeloc]

I was interested in Ron Paul running as a third party but after the Jay Leno show I am not. He is clearly not serious about changing this country, if he was then he would have pursued the third-party idea. We have seen his meekness throughout the campaign and I have lost confidence. It's time to focus on other candidates. Throughout the campaign his objective was to spread his message of liberty, I don't think he was ever serious about being president and it was reflected in many ways; people are not interested in voting for someone who is wishy-washy.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Check what we have now:
http://www.dailypaul.com/253601/we-...nson-paul-2012-ticket-update-from-evan-cutler



I thought it was a joke at first, but sadly, not.

I posted my "Letter to LP Members" to that topic and sent it to the contact link they gave for Gary Johnson.

 

[sailingaway]

I was interested in Ron Paul running as a third party but after the Jay Leno show I am not. He is clearly not serious about changing this country, if he was then he would have pursued the third-party idea. We have seen his meekness throughout the campaign and I have lost confidence. It's time to focus on other candidates. Throughout the campaign his objective was to spread his message of liberty, I don't think he was ever serious about being president and it was reflected in many ways; people are not interested in voting for someone who is wishy-washy.

I disagree that he is wishy washy. What he isn't is someone whose ego says it has to be him -- even when it really does, imho. But it is his choice.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I disagree that he is wishy washy. What he isn't is someone whose ego says it has to be him -- even when it really does, imho. But it is his choice.

I am totally with that ! ^^^

edit: He's not pushy, he knows that people get the government they want, he won't force you to vote and, unlike some, won't trick you out of your vote.

 

[phoenixrising]

I seriously doubt this will be an issue. The call will in most likelihood be one sided with everyone muted. Some conference systems allow a lot of control like press 1 if you want to ask a question. Freeconferencecall.com isn't one of them. If he un-muted, some people using VoIP would set up feedback loops or on speaker would set up feedback loops and the call would have to be reset and everyone would have to call back in. Also, everyone will try to speak at once and it becomes total fail. The only way around this is if you can ask to speak via a keypress and only you get un-muted or if there has been a prior call for people that want to talk or ask questions and they are told - OK - your turn... the opposition has also messed up audio on these calls deliberately in an effort to sabotage our communications.

I have some experience in this area...

-t

the call was done very professionally. evan spoke & then let those wanting to comment queue up ..& each had the floor 1-by-1

guyz...evan is the real deal. there is nothing haokey about this regarding collecting #'s etc...

evan cutler is also the one in 2008 who headed the national DVD project...over 4000 DVD's were created & mailed to the delegates in advance of the convention.

all he is attempting to do now is get enough momentum behind RP to get him to run with GJ! judge gray has already been spoken w/& would be willing to step down IF RP is willing to step up...yet RP isn't convinced enough people want him in there.

RP CAN run as VP...there is no "loser law" in effect in this regard. it only comes into play IF he runs for the same position...which he is NOT

look..all we're attempting to do is get the petition numbers up there for now...to get RP to think about going w/GJ! yet it will only work if EVERYONE promotes the link....& he's not convinced --yet.
http://weneedpaul.com/

for the millions following RP now...we need a hell of a lot more signatures...yet not enough are aware of it!

btw: voting for GJ this go round makes a huge statement to the crappy GOP right now...& isn't it time for a 3rd party????? if ever before the time IS NOW!!! the numbers will make a statement in & of itself...even if GJ doesn't get in!

& a wasted vote? look at the 2 IDENTICAL choices--it doesn't matter!

 

[sailingaway]

the call was done very professionally. evan spoke & then let those wanting to comment queue up ..& each had the floor 1-by-1

guyz...evan is the real deal. there is nothing haokey about this regarding collecting #'s etc...

evan cutler is also the one in 2008 who headed the national DVD project...over 4000 DVD's were created & mailed to the delegates in advance of the convention.

all he is attempting to do now is get enough momentum behind RP to get him to run with GJ! judge gray has already been spoken w/& would be willing to step down IF RP is willing to step up...yet RP isn't convinced enough people want him in there.

RP CAN run as VP...there is no "loser law" in effect in this regard. it only comes into play IF he runs for the same position...which he is NOT

look..all we're attempting to do is get the petition numbers up there for now...to get RP to think about going w/GJ! yet it will only work if EVERYONE promotes the link....& he's not convinced --yet.
http://weneedpaul.com/

for the millions following RP now...we need a hell of a lot more signatures...yet not enough are aware of it!

btw: voting for GJ this go round makes a huge statement to the crappy GOP right now...& isn't it time for a 3rd party????? if ever before the time IS NOW!!! the numbers will make a statement in & of itself...even if GJ doesn't get in!

& a wasted vote? look at the 2 IDENTICAL choices--it doesn't matter!

I just don't see any point in Ron taking a demotion to run as VP to someone who polls so much lower that the ticket won't get in the debates. The POINT of doing it from my personal point of view was that Ron at the top of the ticket likely would get them in the debates (based on prior polls). Then Ron would debate Obama and Romney and THAT would be worth the price of admission, so to speak.

 

[Sentinelrv]

I just don't see any point in Ron taking a demotion to run as VP to someone who polls so much lower that the ticket won't get in the debates. The POINT of doing it from my personal point of view was that Ron at the top of the ticket likely would get them in the debates (based on prior polls). Then Ron would debate Obama and Romney and THAT would be worth the price of admission, so to speak.

I'm with Sailing on this one. There is no point in doing this if Ron can't get into the debates to challenge Romney and Obama. That is the only reason I'm interested in this. I know 3rd party isn't going to win so do the sore loser laws really matter? This is all about getting exposure and changing people's minds, letting them know there are other options. With Gary Johnson at the top of the ticket, we don't get that exposure. Gary could really benefit from being Ron's VP, but not the other way around.