Another note about the 4th of July money bomb

Exactly - we ARE supposed to change things... like Congress... lol

Anyway, hopefully most of us can agree on the big picture here:

-- Ron Paul needs support in Congress

-- FreedomSlate08 has taken the initiative to identify and organize 25+ freedom candidates that will give him that support

-- We have the power to give these candidates a real shot at getting elected

I can't take another term of politics-as-usual, so I'm going to donate my butt off on the 4th :)
 
I took serious issue to the fact that you only asked for $10 each on the MLK day bomb and then shortly after Rick Williams pronounced the Ron Paul campaign dead. (This was back in February). A major coincidence or were you already planning something? Asking for $10 when you could have asked for $100 just seemed like you were more interested in email addresses than bringing money into the Ron Paul campaign. If you can convince me sir I guarantee you I am one of your biggest critics... however I am here with an open mind prepared to hear you out if you choose to be heard on the matter.

Ball is in your court.

In my eyes the greatest value we received for raising $4.3 million dollars for Ron Paul was in the publicity we received, not the fact that the campaign had the money. I think most would agree with me and this is due to the fact that we received what I would estimate to be well over $10 million in publicity for the event.

On November 5th we had about 36,000 donors pull together to raise $4.3 million dollars. Then on December 16th we beat our record by bringing about 67,000 donors together to raise over $6 million dollars. But, to our dismay we barely got any publicity for the second money bomb event. At that point I thought it would be good strategy to try to show our numbers. If you'll remember we were fighting the "he can't win syndrome" that was raining down in full force on our efforts. Raising a large amount of money was great, but it hadn't been enough to convince a person on the street that we had large numbers and the he COULD win. The only thing that we could do that was different, that stood a chance of gaining massive publicity, and would help us convince those who liked Ron Paul but thought he was a wasted vote, would be to have over 100,000 people donate on the same day. Even that wasn't going to be a cure all but in my mind it was a move in the right direction. It would be a huge morale booster and would give fresh ammo to our argument and cause.

There were other factors as well. 1.) We had just underperformed in the NH primary which hurt morale. 2.) a lot of people were writing me telling me they were very upset there was no recount and that they wouldn't donate again. 3.) Many supporters had depleted their funds with two huge money bombs 4.) no publicity from December 16th meaning less motivation going forward.. and so on. So, I thought it would much easier for us to go with a lower minimum number so that everyone could participate. The pledge was for $10 or more so I thought we could certainly raise millions of dollars as well.
 
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Behind all the buzzwords this movement is about integrity and responsibility, without which there are no truly free markets, just deception and a greater fools game.
If a business is deception based, it IS bad and good luck spinning it under the "free market" umbrella.

I would like to see this movement become a multi-billion dollar bulwark business network with tremendous influence. Even if I'm wrong about you, I felt compelled to speak my peace. And now I'm done.:D

By all means you are allowed your opinion. For my part I don't see "free market" as a buzz word. I know there was no intent to deceive on our part and I know that we aren't trying to spin anything.
 
I thought the small donation bomb had more to do with beating Obamas "most donaters" record and thought that was talked about in NH?
 
The trick to being a skillful deceiver is to not blatantly hide things while feigning openness. After all, to deceive there first needs to be trust.
I doubt anyone reads 100 page terms and condition agreements, or 1000 page Patriot Acts because of a certain level of trust. And while not illegal or necessarily immoral, I just hoped this community wouldn't run businesses like everyone else.
Aren't we supposed to change things, not just politically but socially as well?
What are we accomplishing when we chest-thump platitudes then run another shady business like everyone else?

The trick to being a skillful deceiver is to make assumptions in your statements that state certain elements as fact when they are not in fact facts. I don't think you are doing it on purpose, but if you read your statements you will see that you have already convicted FreedomSlate08 of being shady or acting shady, but in fact we have done nothing shady at all. We are operating as a very moral and upright business. Furthermore please remember that all of the candidates have joined our effort and are very excited to be a part of it. That should help you to see that we are operating in a very legitimate way because we have the support of some very upright and legitimate candidates for office.. the best of the best in fact! :)
 
The trick to being a skillful deceiver is to make assumptions in your statements that state certain elements as fact when they are not in fact facts. I don't think you are doing it on purpose, but if you read your statements you will see that you have already convicted FreedomSlate08 of being shady or acting shady, but in fact we have done nothing shady at all. We are operating as a very moral and upright business. Furthermore please remember that all of the candidates have joined our effort and are very excited to be a part of it. That should help you to see that we are operating in a very legitimate way because we have the support of some very upright and legitimate candidates for office.. the best of the best in fact! :)

Of course both parties are pleased in agreeing to how to distribute other people's money.
What you are doing is not legitimate.
I think of it like all the donations give us shares in a liberty fund. You just can't divvy up OUR money however you please and write it off to 'that's business'.
As shareholders, we control the capital flow and are entitled to know what it's paying for.
My contention is that we are entitled to know how the money is spent.
You may not agree, but that's where we ethically differ.

Perhaps my idealistic standards are too high, but I'm disappointed nonetheless.
Better this all came out now than on July 5th, that's for sure.
 
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Exactly - we ARE supposed to change things... like Congress... lol

Anyway, hopefully most of us can agree on the big picture here:

-- Ron Paul needs support in Congress

-- FreedomSlate08 has taken the initiative to identify and organize 25+ freedom candidates that will give him that support

-- We have the power to give these candidates a real shot at getting elected

I can't take another term of politics-as-usual, so I'm going to donate my butt off on the 4th :)

Astroturfing for BTM?:rolleyes:
 
Exactly - we ARE supposed to change things... like Congress... lol

Anyway, hopefully most of us can agree on the big picture here:

-- Ron Paul needs support in Congress

-- FreedomSlate08 has taken the initiative to identify and organize 25+ freedom candidates that will give him that support

-- We have the power to give these candidates a real shot at getting elected

I can't take another term of politics-as-usual, so I'm going to donate my butt off on the 4th :)


Thanks little frog- like I said the fee is a great thing for the community and the big picture here is that we need to get these candidates in office!!
 
Thanks for the post Kurt, you're absolutely correct about people needing to do their own critical thinking-- placing too much trust in another source is part of what got us into the mess we are in.



From a high level view, there are three things:
- I have the resources to contribute.
- I have some context of a relevant and appropriate sized track record of who needs to be trusted. For example, if I have seen someone put in 300 thankless hours towards some good endeavor and I was asked by them to put in 3, it would be considered. Conversely, if someone had put in 3 hours and asked me to put in 300, that's a different story. In a real situation, if Larry Lepard ask me to do a favor I would- and I have and will continue to do so.
- I foresee the project as being cost effective with a good "return on investment" (with the return being winning hearts and minds).



Josh would have to provide a complete answer, but for what I personally put up there it was dependent upon both objective and subjective elements. The main objective criteria was an endorsement from Dr. Paul-- which of course isn't infallible. Subjectively it is dependent upon the pulse of the overall established and credible grassroots on the forum that have built up a good deal of capital by doing great things for the movement.

Amy does a pretty good job of explaining it here (but pay no attention to DrYongrel :)):
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=135694


I've given some good thought to the overall vetting process for candidates- I think a great service would collect and summarize objective information and then provide some subjective ratings on various key points that can also be summarized. For example, an important aspect of a candidate to me is their past grassroots activism (as it's an indicators to their commitment to the issues)- that could be objectively listed (and somewhat verified with the verification included in the evaluation) and then also subjectively graded. Any subjective formula however shouldn't be public to prevent gaming of the system. Granted, it does cut both ways since, some sort of corrupt vetting service could do damage, so it would be important to have a vetting service with more credibility then what they could afford to lose. One thing that could help too is to have the subjective ratings done in a blind manner in that the grader(s) don't know who the candidate is when possible- they only get generic data.

In the end is it a balance of risk (of doing the wrong thing), spending time making sure you do the right thing vs. the problems of doing nothing (bad idea). So this is why I see it useful to leverage trusted work from others.

Please let me know if this doesn't answer all of your questions.

Great post!! Thanks for taking the time to write about it. I think we covered alot on this and its good food for thought.

I like the blind grader concept, very interesting idea.

I would like to have you on as a guest on Wake Up America sometime to share your story about Ron Paul Forums and talk about anything freedom and liberty. Open invitation :)

Best,
Kurt Wallace
Wake Up America Show
mon-fri 9am-11am EST
www.breakthematrix.com
www.freedomslate08.com
 

Hi Trevor,


What he said! Campaigning takes an amazing amount of time. In Illinois, almost all the effort so far has been to gather the signatures we need. The Ron Paul supporters didn't line up in droves to help a lesser candidate, and even if they had, they couldn't circulate petitions for Allan Stevo if they had circulated for Ron Paul per state law.

Getting invited to participate in a major fundraiser that somebody else is organizing is a gift to us.
 
It's ridiculous to use the same "he can't win" mentality against these 25 candidates, that have been vetted and are dedicated to the cause, as was used and so hated by us when applied to Ron. Our unending support to the cause means we'll win in the end, and every dollar helps these candidates get out there and spread the message.

Show your support tomorrow, and ensure a victory for all of us in November.
 
That clown's almost always indecent. :D



yes thats why i got back at him this way:

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It's ridiculous to use the same "he can't win" mentality against these 25 candidates, that have been vetted and are dedicated to the cause, as was used and so hated by us when applied to Ron. Our unending support to the cause means we'll win in the end, and every dollar helps these candidates get out there and spread the message.

Show your support tomorrow, and ensure a victory for all of us in November.

PERFECT POST!

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So far my campaign has only $275 from today's efforts! Please help out!

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The fight for freedom does not end when its no longer convenient. It means fighting on, under all circumstances, when its hard and we are scarred from the the road behind us. We have had many victories in the R3VOLution, but we have not gotten to our goals of bringing accountability and responsibility to the government. We have not yet brought new representation into the government that believes the way our fore fathers have and follows the law of the land, our Constitution.

We can now. We have over 20 candidates running for Congress that can make a difference. We can back up Ron Paul in Congress and vote to reduce government size, influence, and costs to avert economic crisis. We can bring our troops home from overseas and restore our liberties. But we need you to not give up hope. We need you to stand strong, and continue the sacrifice.

We need you to support and help these candidates. Please go to http://www.FreedomSlate08.com and donate today.
 
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