Another note about the 4th of July money bomb

[SwordOfShannarah]

Hey Trevor, check out this thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=144276

It's a discussion about a Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty Bomb for this November 5th. We want to use your November 5th domain.

I think it's a great idea and have had the thought that something should be done on November 5th for some time now (as I see many also have ). I held off from an immediate yes to Brandon because we were already in talks about a CFL money bomb. We may want to do a smaller one before this date if they have strong need for it. I guess we'll see how that develops.

I also think we should expand the event. I've been in talks with Linda (Granny Warrior) about holding another rally in DC on the 5th. I don't know- I'm sure we can come up with a lot of ideas. If not a rally maybe we throw a liberty trade show/convention with lots of vendors, or a huge concert, etc. Who knows.. I'll join in on the thread over there and lets come up with some great ideas and make it happen!

 

[SwordOfShannarah]

Thanks for coming over here and clearing up some things, Trevor.

Thanks for having me!

 

[mport1]

My biggest problem with freedom slate is that out of the 23 candidates on the slate, maybe 2 or 3 or them can win. Take Peter James for instance, he's on the slate, yet he got drilled in the special election a week ago (the winner got 81%). I like Peter, but why give money him when he has no chance. We should consolidate our money into 1 or 2 candidates that have the best shot, not 23, whom most of have very little or no shot of winning the seat.

Agreed.

 

[SwordOfShannarah]

Hey Trevor, I am hoping you consider using the www.ThisNovember5th.com site for the anniversary of the November 5th Mass Donation for the CFL. I think this could be a great way to start getting new support from people that are discovering Dr. Paul. This will also help the other grassroots projects in the aspect it could potentially inspire more people to join our movement as the first donation did.

Please take this into consideration. I got a video that is almost finished it could go viral.

Kind Regards,

James

Hmmmm... another video?? We all know what happened the last time you decided to make a cool video. Uh oh.. the neo-cons are in trouble!!

 

[David A. Gay Sr.]

Agreed.

David Gay here.

Ron Paul Endorsed.

Republican

Running for an OPEN SEAT in a Republican district.

Registered Republicans in N.Y. 25 and registered Democrats are 1-1

GOP challenger just lost a primary last year and people around here don't like him.

Dem challenger works for Dan Maffei...

This race is in the bag... All it's going to take is some fundraising!

Please be sure to donate!

http://www.davidgay2008.com
http://www.freedomslate08.com

 

[SwordOfShannarah]

My biggest problem with freedom slate is that out of the 23 candidates on the slate, maybe 2 or 3 or them can win. Take Peter James for instance, he's on the slate, yet he got drilled in the special election a week ago (the winner got 81%). I like Peter, but why give money him when he has no chance. We should consolidate our money into 1 or 2 candidates that have the best shot, not 23, whom most of have very little or no shot of winning the seat.

You make a great point but to be fair choosing based on who we think will or won't win is a very difficult and most likely unfair decision for us to make. We all remember the George Stephanopoulos indecent. Ultimately I think the onus is on the voter to do the research and on the candidate to make their case about their prospects to win.

In line with your statement we plan to keep FreedomSlate08.com as a standing money bomb website. We'd like to keep helping the candidates raise money until November. With FreedomSlate08 we can simply change the date to have a new money bomb fund raising event. As we move further along candidates who don't win their primaries will fall off the list on their own. When we get closer to the elections the final money bomb will be for a list of candidates who are fully "in the race". So, the final event will naturally be the kind of money bomb you're talking about.

 

[No1ButPaul08]

You make a great point but to be fair choosing based on who we think will or won't win is a very difficult and most likely unfair decision for us to make. We all remember the George Stephanopoulos indecent. Ultimately I think the onus is on the voter to do the research and on the candidate to make their case about their prospects to win.

In line with your statement we plan to keep FreedomSlate08.com as a standing money bomb website. We'd like to keep helping the candidates raise money until November. With FreedomSlate08 we can simply change the date to have a new money bomb fund raising event. As we move further along candidates who don't win their primaries will fall off the list on their own. When we get closer to the elections the final money bomb will be for a list of candidates who are fully "in the race". So, the final event will naturally be the kind of money bomb you're talking about.

Fair enough.

I will point for those looking to do their own research that Open Secrets is a good place to start. This allows you to see the fundraising totals (through March 30) for the Ron Paul candidate and his/her opponents. Another good thing to look up is the past elections for the district, this should give the researcher a good idea of the district landscape, and whether they think it can be won.

Congressional Quarterly rates races on how competitive they think it will be and what way they believe the race is leaning. This can be found here

The Cook Political Report provides the same service

 

[David A. Gay Sr.]

To be fair, open secrets reports from fec quarterly data. Many of us began our campaigns on April 1st and are listed on the fec website at $0 in spite of having already begun raising funds.

-David Gay

http://www.davidgay2008.com

 

[No1ButPaul08]

To be fair, open secrets reports from fec quarterly data. Many of us began our campaigns on April 1st and are listed on the fec website at $0 in spite of having already begun raising funds.

-David Gay

http://www.davidgay2008.com

This is correct and I edited my post to say through Mar. 30

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

We all remember the George Stephanopoulos indecent.

That clown's almost always indecent.

 

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

Hi Paul Bearer,

I don't think we have been deceptive in our marketing. The disclosure notice at the bottom of the page is exactly where it should be and it is in normal sized print. We're not and never have been hiding anything. If we wanted to deceive we wouldn't have put up a disclosure notice at all.

The consequences should (and I think will) be that people get behind these candidates and join us at http://FreedomSlate08.com.

Nice PR spin... don't try and turn it around on me like I'm not being supportive of the candidates; all of the Paul endorsed candidates have received hundos from me.

Also, I believe the disclosure notice is for liability/fraud purposes, not a gift from your heart... so stop the B.S.

Anyway, I have nothing against BTM or what you're doing, just how you are doing it.
If you are going to run your business placing disclosures "where they should be," like every other business, well... I would hope you're better than that.

If you didn't have anything to hide you'd have put in the statement how much of a cut you're getting and let us decide if it's fair or not.

 

[schooldayze]

Hi Paul Bearer,

I don't think we have been deceptive in our marketing. The disclosure notice at the bottom of the page is exactly where it should be and it is in normal sized print. We're not and never have been hiding anything. If we wanted to deceive we wouldn't have put up a disclosure notice at all.

The consequences should (and I think will) be that people get behind these candidates and join us at http://FreedomSlate08.com.

Actually, if you do not put up disclosure you would be violating the law. FEC tends to throw people in jail for that Just a point of clarification.

 

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

David Gay here.

Ron Paul Endorsed.

Republican

Running for an OPEN SEAT in a Republican district.

Registered Republicans in N.Y. 25 and registered Democrats are 1-1

GOP challenger just lost a primary last year and people around here don't like him.

Dem challenger works for Dan Maffei...

Is this Louise Slaughter's district? I grew up in the area.
I have a lot of friends in Wayne County.. I get 50 votes for ya!

 

[SwordOfShannarah]

Nice PR spin... don't try and turn it around on me like I'm not being supportive of the candidates; all of the Paul endorsed candidates have received hundos from me.

I never said you aren't supportive of the candidates and I wasn't trying to turn anything around on you. That's awesome that you gave money to them.

Also, I believe the disclosure notice is for liability/fraud purposes, not a gift from your heart... so stop the B.S.

I never said it was a gift from the heart or tried to B.S. you. Sorry you feel that way.

Anyway, I have nothing against BTM or what you're doing, just how you are doing it.

You're welcome to your opinion about how we do things. My opinion is that we're doing things very well.

If you are going to run your business placing disclosures "where they should be," like every other business, well... I would hope you're better than that.

This movement supports the free market as a solution to our problems. Being a business is a great thing. To act as if business is bad or wrong is miss the point of what this movement is all about.

If you didn't have anything to hide you'd have put in the statement how much of a cut you're getting and let us decide if it's fair or not.

We're not hiding anything, but as a business it is not our place to disclose what we charge our clients. If the customer wants to tell you they can (and they have), but it's not our place to do it.

 

[SwordOfShannarah]

Actually, if you do not put up disclosure you would be violating the law. FEC tends to throw people in jail for that Just a point of clarification.

Exactly right and as I stated in the initial post we're paying attention to what the law requires... we have to!

 

[schooldayze]

Ok Trevor, since you are clearing things up. I want to "pull a major thorn from my paw" when it comes to the greater movement we are involved in... and for that matter the Ron Paul movement which continues even after he has "ended his campaign."

Let me say for the record. I want to believe your intentions are good. I want to believe that you're only interested in enough to pay the bills so you don't have to work for the man, and spend 100% of your time working for freedom for myself, my children and for the rest of the people in this country. Unfortunately we need money to be able to eat... and if we don't make a profit somewhere then in my case I'm out swinging a hammer, and not working for the freedom movement.

That being said... let's hash it out.

I took serious issue to the fact that you only asked for $10 each on the MLK day bomb and then shortly after Rick Williams pronounced the Ron Paul campaign dead. (This was back in February). A major coincidence or were you already planning something? Asking for $10 when you could have asked for $100 just seemed like you were more interested in email addresses than bringing money into the Ron Paul campaign. If you can convince me sir I guarantee you I am one of your biggest critics... however I am here with an open mind prepared to hear you out if you choose to be heard on the matter.

Ball is in your court.

 

[LittleFrog]

PB of inJustice, I'm trying not to be offended that you think we common folk lack the wherewithal to scroll through a fairly simple one page site and comprehend all of the information presented throughout... including the ALL CAPS disclosure notice at the bottom.

If it's posted right there on the front page, they obviously aren't trying to hide anything. If they were trying to hide it, I hope they'd be clever enough to come up with something trickier than posting it right there in plain sight, in big white capital letters on a black background. LOL.

 

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

This movement supports the free market as a solution to our problems. Being a business is a great thing. To act as if business is bad or wrong is miss the point of what this movement is all about.

Behind all the buzzwords this movement is about integrity and responsibility, without which there are no truly free markets, just deception and a greater fools game.
If a business is deception based, it IS bad and good luck spinning it under the "free market" umbrella.

I would like to see this movement become a multi-billion dollar bulwark business network with tremendous influence. Even if I'm wrong about you, I felt compelled to speak my peace. And now I'm done.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

Aloha Trevor,

I'm stoked to see you here with this thread

Thanks.

 

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

PB of inJustice, I'm trying not to be offended that you think we common folk lack the wherewithal to scroll through a fairly simple one page site and comprehend all of the information presented throughout... including the ALL CAPS disclosure notice at the bottom.

If it's posted right there on the front page, they obviously aren't trying to hide anything. If they were trying to hide it, I hope they'd be clever enough to come up with something trickier than posting it right there in plain sight, in big white capital letters on a black background. LOL.

The trick to being a skillful deceiver is to not blatantly hide things while feigning openness. After all, to deceive there first needs to be trust.
I doubt anyone reads 100 page terms and condition agreements, or 1000 page Patriot Acts because of a certain level of trust. And while not illegal or necessarily immoral, I just hoped this community wouldn't run businesses like everyone else.
Aren't we supposed to change things, not just politically but socially as well?
What are we accomplishing when we chest-thump platitudes then run another shady business like everyone else?