An Obama Presidency May Not Be Effective For Future Liberty Movements

Ben2008 said:
I'm not saying having morals is a bad thing. I'm saying your morals themselves are perverse. Your principle is irrational. Your principle is evil.

If you're able to step in to help prevent a great evil from happening, at the cost of a smaller evil happening, and you don't do it, what good are you? In order to make yourself feel morally pure, you'll let an attrocity happen when you could have prevented it. I don't see anything respectable about that.
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Go away. McCain is evil. And you are advocating Evil.
GO play in traffic. Its safer than your dribble.
 
Ben2008 said:
Exactly.

Dr. Paul said today in an interview on CNN today (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_yjImzwuIU) that it would be best for McCain to win, if for nothing else that it will bring some gridlock. That's a sentiment I expressed yesterday in my thread "I hope McCain wins."

If Obama wins, we're going socialist and there's no turning back for many many years.
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Just in all fairness Ron Paul also said that Obama would be better trying to bring
our troops home while McCain's health plan is better so he was also pointing out
what would be good about either of them. And I sure disagree that Obama would
bring more socialism than McCain is and that is obvious when you hear what McCain's plans are and that he voted for the Bailout!
 
torchbearer said:
Go away. McCain is evil. And you are advocating Evil.
GO play in traffic. Its safer than your dribble.
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If Hitler and Clinton were running against each other, you wouldn't vote for Clinton because he's a lesser evil. This is the problem with you people who refuse to vote for a lesser evil. Due to your fear of getting your hands dirty, you allow greater evil to happen when it could have been prevented. It's despicable.
 
Ben2008 said:
I'm not saying having morals is a bad thing. I'm saying your morals themselves are perverse. Your principle is irrational. Your principle is evil.

If you're able to step in to help prevent a great evil from happening, at the cost of a smaller evil happening, and you don't do it, what good are you? In order to make yourself feel morally pure, you'll let an attrocity happen when you could have prevented it. I don't see anything respectable about that.
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"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." ~John Quincy Adams.

Irrationality is voting for evil, and justifying that as 'helpful'...
 
JenH88 said:
"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." ~John Quincy Adams.

Irrationality is voting for evil, and justifying that as 'helpful'...
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"Vote for principle" means nothing unless you define what that principle is. What is your principle?

Voting for evil is not irrational if doing so prevents a greater evil from happening. What's rational about allowing an attrocity to happen if you could have helped prevent it. Again, I think your principle is perverse. Voting for a lesser evil is not BEING evil. It's voting to minimize evil, which is not evil.

I never thought Dr. Paul was absolutely pure or his policies perfect, but I voted for him in the Primary, because I vote for the lesser evil. Under your principle, I shouldn't have voted at all.
 
Playing into the false illusion of the two party system is irrational if your goal is real liberty and freedom.

We will have to agree to disagree as this conversation is going no where, you are simply repeating the same thing over and over.

I would imagine you would have a better chance of rallying McCain votes elsewhere as many of the people here take the liberty of voting very seriously, and do not degrade it into some kind of sick sport or horse race- my ancestors did not die so that I could throw my vote away like some kind of chess pawn, they died so I could voice my opinion- my REAL opinion.
 
jenh88 said:
playing into the false illusion of the two party system is irrational if your goal is real liberty and freedom.

We will have to agree to disagree as this conversation is going no where, you are simply repeating the same thing over and over.

I would imagine you would have a better chance of rallying mccain votes elsewhere as many of the people here take the liberty of voting very seriously, and do not degrade it into some kind of sick sport or horse race- my ancestors did not die so that i could throw my vote away like some kind of chess pawn, they died so i could voice my opinion- my real opinion.
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+1776
 
JenH88 said:
Playing into the false illusion of the two party system is irrational if your goal is real liberty and freedom.

We will have to agree to disagree as this conversation is going no where, you are simply repeating the same thing over and over.

I would imagine you would have a better chance of rallying McCain votes elsewhere as many of the people here take the liberty of voting very seriously, and do not degrade it into some kind of sick sport or horse race- my ancestors did not die so that I could throw my vote away like some kind of chess pawn, they died so I could voice my opinion- my REAL opinion.
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As I have said before... im not falling for the "false choice illusion", you are a victim of false reality. Either McCain or Obama is GOING to win not a false choice.. this is a fact...

tell it to Ron Paul who says McCain will be better for the country than obama which would be a disaster..

Hmmm interesting.. RP says there is a lesser of two evils... how ironic...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_yjImzwuIU
 
How can something be a fact before it has even occurred? Is it safe to assume that one of the two will win- yes. But let's ask ourselves, why is that a safe assumption in the first place. Of course the logical reason is because our country has fed into the false two party illusion- the facade that you HAVE to choose between these two people. The same illusion some of you are trying to force others to buy into.

There's two types of voters on this board, those that hold the illusionary line that "voting third party" means you wasted your vote, and those who believe you should vote for who you want regardless of what anyone else says or tries to pressure you into.
 
EndTheFed said:
As I have said before... im not falling for the "false choice illusion", you are a victim of false reality. Either McCain or Obama is GOING to win not a false choice.. this is a fact...

tell it to Ron Paul who says McCain will be better for the country than obama which would be a disaster..

Hmmm interesting.. RP says there is a lesser of two evils... how ironic...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_yjImzwuIU
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Posting it twice doesn't make it true. I ignored it the first time but yet again you posted it. I can certainly understand the arguments for McCain but Ron Paul supporting him isn't one of them. Everyone knows he's supporting Chuck Baldwin. In video the reporter simply asks what aspects of economic plans would be better, Paul cited small portions of their plans and said McCain would be better for healthcare and Obama for foreign policy and concludes "but quite frankly how can we trust anybody". The disaster comment was in response to the "divided government" approach. Paul did say it would be better off if they were fighting each other and concluded that is still a poor argument to vote for McCain.

In sum Ron Paul was just entertaining the reporters argument and commenting on it....not withdrawing his support of Chuck Baldwin for John McCain.
 
I wish I could air an ad all over America that's similar to McCain and Obama's joint "get out and vote" ad...except one where at the end, someone yells, "If all of you non-voters came out and voted third party, both of these assholes would probably lose!" ;)
 
Damn torch...you just said in another thread you were getting ready to go to work for the Obama campaign...so you're an obama troll? Thank GOD there are SOME voices of reason on here. There are probably people here who will vote for McCain but are afraid to say they will on this forum because they'll get blasted. As for Tones, I'm not here for a popularity contest...i'm here to continue with LIBERTY...I would also be VERY afraid of an Obama win...8 years of this communist will absolutely kill any chance we will have for spreading Liberty and getting our momentum back. tones
 
tonesforjonesbones said:
Damn torch...you just said in another thread you were getting ready to go to work for the Obama campaign...so you're an obama troll? Thank GOD there are SOME voices of reason on here. There are probably people here who will vote for McCain but are afraid to say they will on this forum because they'll get blasted. As for Tones, I'm not here for a popularity contest...i'm here to continue with LIBERTY...I would also be VERY afraid of an Obama win...8 years of this communist will absolutely kill any chance we will have for spreading Liberty and getting our momentum back. tones
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Ok, maybe you are a troll. I thought you were just a misguided member.
I was talking to endthefed, and was being sarcastic.
My opinion of you just went to total shit.
Ignore list.
 
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