American Killed in Libya protest over film

[mac_hine]

James Corbett (www.corbettreport.com) weighing in on RT:

 

[BlackTerrel]

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/1225747/1/.html

Good to see people are taking action

WASHINGTON: The Coptic Christian church condemned the film that has triggered violent protests in Muslim countries on Wednesday, reflecting fears of a backlash after Copts were blamed for promoting the film.

The film enraged protesters in Cairo who stormed the embassy on Tuesday and was also linked to the later attack on the US consulate in the Libyan city of Benghazi that left the ambassador and three other Americans dead.

An Arabic adapted version of the English-language film was reportedly promoted by a group of Coptic Christians in Egypt, where clips were shown on an Egyptian television station at the weekend, setting off protests.

The Holy Synod of the Coptic Orthodox Church met Wednesday and issued a statement condemning the film.

"Its release at this specific time is part of a malicious campaign targeting defamation of religions aiming to divide the people, most notably the Egyptian people," the statement said.

Egypt's Coptic Christians are a minority that complain of discrimination from Muslims and further isolation following the revolution that toppled Hosni Mubarak as part of the Arab Spring.

And now that they are being linked to the film lampooning the Prophet Mohammed, fears of a backlash are growing among the Coptic community in Egypt.

 

[AGRP]

The movie in question is very poorly produced, poorly acted and certainly in poor taste.



It's an attempt at creating hate between the Coptic Christians and Muslims, presumably to get other Christians involved in more conflict with Muslims.


Also dune buggy tire tracks at 13:31! (The only funny part of the movie)

A lot of the people share a common accent. The lady's accent at 10:24 is incredibly thick. It was probably produced in Israel.

Working version:

 

[Muwahid]

There is no reasoning with savages. Leave their countries. Leave their resources alone. Leave. This isn't a national security issue unless you have friends in high places who have an economic interest in these particular locales.

Savages? It's cowardly to call a besieged people savages for acting more times than not in self defense. The entire region suffered regime change at the hands of imperialists in the 1900s, and any attempt to reject the dictators was met with death and destruction.

The real savages are the ones dropping bombs indiscriminately from drones, and invade these countries, not to mention all the taxes everyone here pays which is used to manufacture more bombs and weapons. So try not to judge people.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Savages? It's cowardly to call a besieged people savages for acting more times than not in self defense. The entire region suffered regime change at the hands of imperialists in the 1900s, and any attempt to reject the dictators was met with death and destruction.

The real savages are the ones dropping bombs indiscriminately from drones, and invade these countries, not to mention all the taxes everyone here pays which is used to manufacture more bombs and weapons. So try not to judge people.

In this instance, they murdered 4 people because of some stupid movie.

 

[Peter Dow]

Obama response inadequate

I am shocked and horrified at this and my sincere condolences to our American friends and loved ones.

This incident confirms my concerns that diplomatic missions in "war-on-terror" countries are not being properly secured by being located in properly secured and defended military bases.

This reminds me of the storming of a UN base in Mazar-e-Sharif when 7 UN workers were killed in April 2011. The guy responsible at the time for UN security - Gregory B. Starr, the United Nations Under-Secretary-General for Safety and Security, is an American who used to be employed as the person responsible for the security of US diplomatic bases.

I have further concerns that the US & NATO countries' military these days lack the military knowledge and competence even to able to secure our military bases. Bases can't be properly secured in or near an urban area. You need a security zone of cleared and controlled ground of at least 6 miles, but 10 miles is better, around a military base to keep enemy fire from rockets and mortars out of range.

If you don't control the ground around a base this happens - 3 were killed at Bagram Air Base, Afghanistan yesterday.



We've been at war in Afghanistan for nearly 11 years now and still the US and NATO military are operating out of insecure bases! Our supply routes in Afghanistan have never been secured and recently a decision by NATO-ISAF (commanded by a US general) was taken to close bases along the main highways in Afghanistan making the roads even more insecure.

The military and security leaders we are depending on to keep our personnel safe during this war on terror are incompetent and our diplomats would be well advised to have no faith in them. If I was a diplomat in a country with security problems I would quit and come home until we get proper military and security people in charge.

So there is a pattern here of incompetence at the very highest levels of leadership in the United States, NATO and the United Nations.

The people in charge are incompetent and this is very serious folks. We need urgent action to get competent people in post. We need a shake up at the highest levels of government on the military and security side especially. This can't be allowed to go on.

Obama response inadequate

Obama has ordered "heightened security" and the story so far is that means 50 more marines are on the way to Libya. That's an inadequate response.

It's not enough to "order heightened security" if by that you mean ordering the same incompetent fools currently in charge of security to continue in post but to try to do a proper job this time despite still having no idea what to do.

The President should -

• Sack and replace the Secretary of Defense (Panetta) with someone who will sack incompetent generals and appoint competent ones
• Sack and replace the Secretary of State (Clinton) with someone who will sack incompetent security officials and appoint competent ones
• Close all vulnerable diplomatic embassies and consulates in countries with a war-on-terror connection, with an armed jihadi terrorist groups threat
• Establish new secure embassies and consulates within new or existing military bases
• Site new military bases for the embassies / consulates in rural areas where the land for 6 to 10 miles around the embassy can be occupied and controlled
• Site about 60 defensive machine-gun posts 1000 metre / 1000 yard intervals around a circumference at a radius of 6 miles from the base,
• Surround the machine gun posts with barbed wire and vehicle barriers
• Man the 60 machine guns, 3 men per gun, 24/7 with a force of about 540 marines per base,
• Vastly increase the size of the Marine Security Guard from the small force now of about 1000 to the many thousands of marines it will take to secure all the new bases

Sorry "ordering heightened security" simply doesn't cut it.

See my topic here in Ron Paul Forums - How NATO-ISAF and the Afghans should defend our supply routes

Check out my blog on AfPak military strategy and the war on terror

 

[Peace Piper]

In this instance, they murdered 4 people because of some stupid movie.

And what do you call those who do this:

U.S. again bombs mourners
The Obama policy of attacking rescuers and grieving rituals continues this weekend in Pakistan

In February, the Bureau of Investigative Journalism documented that after the U.S. kills people with drones in Pakistan, it then targets for death those who show up at the scene to rescue the survivors and retrieve the bodies, as well as those who gather to mourn the dead at funerals: “the CIA’s drone campaign in Pakistan has killed dozens of civilians who had gone to help rescue victims or were attending funerals.” As The New York Times summarized those findings: “at least 50 civilians had been killed in follow-up strikes after they rushed to help those hit by a drone-fired missile” while “the bureau counted more than 20 other civilians killed in strikes on funerals.”
http://www.salon.com/2012/06/04/obama_again_bombs_mourners/

What are people that murder Women and Children usually called?

An alleged al-Qa’ida training camp at al-Ma’jalah, Abyan, was hit by a cruise missile on 17 December 2009. A Yemeni parliamentary inquiry found that 41 local residents, including 14 women and 21 children, and 14 alleged al-Qa’ida members were killed in the attack
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-...rates-evidence-us-airstrikes-yemen-2010-12-01

How about this:

McChrystal: We've Shot 'An Amazing Number' Of Innocent Afghans

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/02/mcchrystal-weve-shot-an-a_n_523749.html

More:

US cluster bombs 'killed 35 women and children'
Thirty five women and children were killed by an American cruise missile armed with cluster bombs which struck an alleged al-Qaeda training camp in Yemen, according to a study.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...uster-bombs-killed-35-women-and-children.html

and this:

One week after a U.S. military airstrike killed a 16-year-old American citizen in Yemen, no one in the Obama administration, Pentagon or Congress has taken responsibility for his death, or even publicly acknowledged that it happened.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...al-questions/2011/10/20/gIQAdvUY7L_story.html


Maybe the cause of this is "a stupid movie" as we've been told, or maybe that is another lie like Tillman, Jessica Lynch or hundreds of other cases of bald faced lies. Why would anyone believe anything "reported" by our military or the embedded presstitutes?

 

[JohnM]

In this instance, they murdered 4 people because of some stupid movie.

I would be very surprised if this turned out to be true.

Edit:

The attacks were billed as the spontaneous action of mobs of righteous Muslims offended by an obscure movie about Mohammed that virtually no one had heard of. This interpretation is absolute nonsense. These attacks have all the earmarks of prior coordination, with the film serving only as a cover story.

source: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/j...her-disastrous-american-intelligence-failure/

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

In this instance, they murdered 4 people because of some stupid movie.

The movie is an excuse to incite... this is about what the US/UK/France did to Libya last year.

 

[ZenBowman]

A lot of the people share a common accent. The lady's accent at 10:24 is incredibly thick. It was probably produced in Israel.

Working version:

Wow, strong bias.

The evidence points to the opposite, it was made by a Coptic Christian - Nakoula Basseley Nakoula. They tried to blame Israelis, hence pitting one of their enemies against the other by conveniently scapegoating Jews.

http://www.nola.com/movies/index.ssf/2012/09/california_coptic_christian_co.html

The search for those behind the provocative, anti-Muslim film implicated in violent protests in Egypt and Libya led Wednesday to a California Coptic Christian convicted of financial crimes who acknowledged his role in managing and providing logistics for the production. Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, told The Associated Press in an interview outside Los Angeles that he helped with logistics for the filming of "Innocence of Muslims," which mocked Muslims and the prophet Muhammad and may have caused inflamed mobs that attacked U.S. missions in Egypt and Libya. He provided the first details about a shadowy production group behind the film.

 

[pcosmar]

In this instance, they murdered 4 people because of some stupid movie.

A movie both produced and promoted for exactly that purpose. To incite violence.
To insult and deliberately provoke.

Libya is a mess,, and that mess was created. The same damn thing is happening in Syria,,(and elsewhere)

 

[libertygrl]

What We Know About 'Sam Bacile,' The Man Behind The Muhammad Movie

Most Americans knew nothing about Innocence of Muslims. That's the film that has set the Muslim world on fire, causing protests in Egypt and Libya that led to the death of the U.S. ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens.

The bottom line is that we know very little about "Sam Bacile," the man who says he produced the film and says Sam Bacile is his name. The Wall Street Journal caught up with Bacile before he went into hiding. (Update at 3:34 p.m. ET. Some of the claims made in the Journal interview have come under question. We've updated this post below to reflect that.)

According to the Journal, Bacile raised "$5 million from 100 Jewish donors" and he produced the film using 60 actors and 45 crew members.

Bacile told the Journal that he made the film to expose "Islam as a hateful religion."

"Islam is a cancer," he told the paper. "The movie is a political movie. It's not a religious movie."

In another interview, Bacile told The Associated Press that he was a real estate developer and an Israeli Jew, but Israeli authorities told the wire service they have no records of him being a citizen.

NPR's library did not turn up any footprint for Bacile. It found no property, phone, licenses or court records. And Bacile had not made news until today.

Bacile repeated what he told the Journal to the AP.

"The U.S. lost a lot of money and a lot of people in wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but we're fighting with ideas," he said. The AP story also points out that Bacile may have been warned this film would be controversial and perhaps even incite violence.

"You're going to be the next Theo van Gogh," Steve Klein, a consultant on the film, told the AP he told Bacile. Van Gogh, the AP explains, was the Dutch filmmaker who was killed after making a movie perceived as insulting to Islam.

Innocence of Muslims is a feature-length film. In early July, "Sam Bacile" posted a 14-minute trailer of the film on YouTube. (Be warned, many have found the video offensive.) The preview portrays Muhammad as an imbecile and as a false prophet.

For Muslims it's offensive to simply depict the prophet. To insult him is a whole other story.

Bacile told the AP that he was sorry for the death of Ambassador Stevens, but he blamed his death on the security system.

"I feel the security system [at the embassies] is no good," Bacile said. "America should do something to change it."

When clips of the film were shown on an Egyptian TV program, they were described as being the work of Terry Jones, the Florida pastor who has burned Qurans. Jones, The Wall Street Journal reports, was merely promoting the film, saying he would screen the trailer at his church on Sept. 11.

"The film is not intended to insult the Muslim community, but it is intended to reveal truths about Muhammad that are possibly not widely known," Jones said in a statement obtained by The Orlando Sentinel.

Update at 7:27 p.m. ET. Calif. Coptic Christian Confirms Role:

Using the cellphone number they talked to "Sam Bacile," The Associated Press tracked down a man named Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, who lived at the address that aligned with cellphone records.

Nakoula denied that he directed the film but admitted that he was the manager for the production company. He also told the AP that he was a Coptic Christian.

The AP notes that Nakoula has a criminal record: He pleaded no contest in 2010 to federal bank fraud charges and served 21 months in federal prison.

The AP adds:

"Nakoula denied he had posed as Bacile. During a conversation outside his home, he offered his driver's license to show his identity but kept his thumb over his middle name, Basseley. Records checks by the AP subsequently found the name 'Basseley' and other connections to the Bacile persona.

"The AP located Bacile after obtaining his cell phone number from Morris Sadek, a conservative Coptic Christian in the U.S. who had promoted the anti-Muslim film in recent days on his website. Egypt's Christian Coptic population has long decried what they describe as a history of discrimination and occasional violence from the country's Arab majority."

Update at 6:18 p.m. ET. Actress Says This Wasn't What She Signed Up For:

Gawker has an interview with Cindy Lee Garcia, an actress from Bakersfield, Calif., who appears in the film.

She said the film makes her "sick" because she was never told this was the movie she was making. In fact, the lines she delivered were dubbed over to insert the offensive and blasphemous lines.

Gawker reports:

"The script she was given was titled simply Desert Warriors.

" 'It was going to be a film based on how things were 2,000 years ago,' Garcia said. 'It wasn't based on anything to do with religion, it was just on how things were run in Egypt. There wasn't anything about Muhammed or Muslims or anything.'

"In the script and during the shooting, nothing indicated the controversial nature of the final product. Muhammed wasn't even called Muhammed; he was "Master George," Garcia said. The words Muhammed were dubbed over in post-production, as were essentially all other offensive references to Islam and Muhammed."

This is in line with the analysis that On The Media presented earlier. It found the offensive speech in the 14-minute trailer was always dubbed over.

"I can't help but wonder if the actors involved in the project were told what kind of film they were making," OTM producer Sarah Abdurrahman writes.

Also, using the title Desert Warriors, we found a casting call for the film. "Sam Bassiel" is listed as the producer.

The film is described as a "historical Arabian desert adventure film."

Update at 5:19 p.m. ET. 'Bacile' Never Gave His Name:

Sarah Curran of member station WUSF spoke to Pastor Terry Jones in Gainesville, Fla., today.

Jones told her that Bacile, which he said is not his real name, contacted his church so it could screen the film.

Jones said he talked to Bacile today, but doesn't know anything about him.

"In our conversations," Jones said, "he has never given us his name."

On tonight's All Things Considered, NPR's Elizabeth Blair explains that the film received attention because Jones scheduled a screening of the trailer for Sept. 11.

That got picked up by Jones' friend, an Egyptian-born Christian activist in Washington, D.C., named Morris Sadek.

Dion Nissenbaum, a reporter for The Wall Street Journal, told Elizabeth that Sadek promoted the event through his email list, which goes out to many Egyptian journalists.

Update at 2:17 p.m. ET. Bacile Not His Real Name?:

Jeffrey Goldberg at The Atlantic writes that he just got off the phone with Steve Klein, whom the AP describes as an associate of Bacile.

Klein told Goldberg that Bacile is not a real name.

"I don't know that much about him. I met him, I spoke to him for an hour. He's not Israeli, no," Klein told Goldberg. "I can tell you this for sure, the state of Israel is not involved, Terry Jones [the radical Christian Quran-burning pastor] is not involved. His name is a pseudonym. All these Middle Eastern folks I work with have pseudonyms. I doubt he's Jewish. I would suspect this is a disinformation campaign."

Klein, by the way, was profiled by the Southern Poverty Law Center, which describes him as an "extremist" who has led anti-Muslim protests.

"In 1977, he founded Courageous Christians United, which now conducts 'respectful confrontations' outside of abortion clinics, Mormon temples and mosques," the SPLC reports. "Klein also has ties to the Minuteman movement. In 2007, he sued the city of San Clemente for ordering him to stop leafleting cars with pamphlets opposing illegal immigration."

So, we repeat again, with this story it's better to remain highly skeptical.

Update at 1:02 p.m. ET. That $5 Million Figure:

The Hollywood Reporter has some important context about that $5 million figure thrown out by Bacile:

"Though Bacile claims he spent $5 million on the movie — a figure that would put the film on par with the Toronto festival entrant Julianne Moore-starrer What Maisie Knew — the 13 minutes of footage available online look unprofessional. Furthermore, Bacile has virtually no footprint in the Hollywood community. The writer-director-producer has no agent listed on IMDBPro and no credits on any film or TV production."

What's safe to say now is that we should look at those claims with a great deal of skepticism.

h ttp://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-wa...-sam-bacile-the-man-behind-the-muhammad-movie

What to believe??? The guy has a criminal background and a few different aliases. All makes for a perfect set up man for hire. Still not sure who was behind this, but I have my suspicions that it's the usual suspects.

 

[Peter Dow]

In this instance, they murdered 4 people because of some stupid movie.

Some stupid movie that got outraged about on "NileSat" satellite TV to Egyptians, Libyans and others in that part of the world.

NileSat Know your enemy

Without "some stupid movie" being outraged about on NileSat by jihadists deliberating trying to incite believers to attack Americans nobody would have noticed the YouTube clip.

It's not the first time that NileSat got our guys killed.



So the question is, who has allowed Egypt to get satellite broadcasting without being sure that the TV channels are responsible?

It's because some stupid politicians in the West decided to deregulate the control of satellite TV broadcasting.

Our own politicians thought that they could trust businessmen and the market to make profits by selling satellite TV broadcasting to whoever had the money.

So Ron Paul supporters, do you want to keep trusting the market, or do you want Americans to be safe abroad?

Your call.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

5 million dollars to make that piece of crap movie?

 

[pcosmar]

So the question is, who has allowed Egypt to get satellite broadcasting without being sure that the TV channels are responsible?

It's because some stupid politicians in the West decided to deregulate the control of satellite TV broadcasting.

Our own politicians thought that they could trust businessmen and the market to make profits by selling satellite TV broadcasting to whoever had the money.

So Ron Paul supporters, do you want to keep trusting the market, or do you want Americans to be safe abroad?

Your call.

Who the fuck are you ?

(oh yeah,, that's right)
This is not some Nazi Fascist Authoritarian Forum.

You are obviously in the wrong place.

 

[Peter Dow]

This is not some Nazi Fascist Authoritarian Forum.

Glad to hear it. I'm a republican, hence the REPUBLICAN arm band.

I wouldn't want to be mistaken for one of the Queen's royalists.

 

[Peter Dow]

It's because some stupid politicians in the West decided to deregulate the control of satellite TV broadcasting.

Oh national broadcasting is still regulated by those "nasty authoritarians".

The FCC - What We Do

The Federal Communications Commission regulates interstate and international communications by radio, television, wire, satellite and cable in all 50 states, the District of Columbia and U.S. territories. It was established by the Communications Act of 1934 and operates as an independent U.S. government agency overseen by Congress. The commission is committed to being a responsive, efficient and effective agency capable of facing the technological and economic opportunities of the new millennium. In its work, the agency seeks to capitalize on its competencies in:

• Promoting competition, innovation, and investment in broadband services and facilities;
• Supporting the nation’s economy by ensuring an appropriate competitive framework for the unfolding of the communications revolution;
• Encouraging the highest and best use of spectrum domestically and internationally;
• Revising media regulations so that new technologies flourish alongside diversity and localism;
• Providing leadership in strengthening the defense of the nation’s communications infrastructure.

It's just that Western politicians decided to stop global regulation of satellite TV and leave it up to monarchs and dictators to broadcast "KILL THE INFIDELS" TV throughout North Africa and the Middle East from orbit.

You want that? It's your call.

 

[devil21]

Global regulation is a bad word around here.

 

[Peter Dow]

Global regulation is a bad word around here.

That's OK. I said it was your call. No global regulation it is. "KILL THE AMERICANS & INFIDELS" TV broadcasting now ...

 

[TheGrinch]

Check out my blog on AfPak military strategy and the war on terror

Yeah, I think I'll pass on that, LOL.