Alert! Breaking:If sanctions against Iran fail, war may be inevitable,Ron Paul Was Right!

[SaulPaulinsky]

Ya it's a real shame Rand has a more warmonger streak in him. He's not a true heir to the RP legacy and I can't support a warmonger of any stripe.

People change with age sometimes. But I'm certainly not counting on or expecting Rand to be the torch bearer for the future.

 

[SaulPaulinsky]

I have a friend who just joined the Army and he's currently stationed in Korea. His wife was at our house yesterday talking to my wife and she was excited about him coming back and getting a cushy desk job on a base here. I felt bad for her. I didn't have the heart to tell her that that is probably not going to happen when we go to war with Iran.

She's not too bright anyway apparently. Most Army I know are thrilled to be in Korea because it means they won't be in Afghanistan. He'd probably get a year off, then go to AFG. The Army has really been abused in the last 10 years.

 

[Intoxiklown]

I'm not really sure if this is the right forum for this thread. However, I think some people are missing the larger issue as to what is really fueling this....

http://www.forexcrunch.com/gold-for-oil-india-and-iran-ditch-dollar-report/

Gold for Oil: India and Iran Ditch Dollar – Report

Countries are very much in the works (India, Japan, China, Russia, ect) to start using alternate currency to trade oil with instead of USD.

 

[angelatc]

Question - have sanctions ever worked?

 

[69360]

It's all just rhetoric and posturing. It would be suicidal for the Iranians to try and close the straights. They might do it successfully for a few days, but the retaliatory strike would wipe out their navy, which is really more akin to our coast guard and not a force that can project power globally.

In 88 they mined the straights during the Iran/Iraq war. One of our ships hit an Iranian mine. Our response was operation praying mantis. We wiped out 25% of their Navy in one day with no combat losses. That was with one carrier battle group. We have 2 carrier battle groups in the area now with another en route.

 

[sailingaway]

Rand is more pro preemptive war than paul. A(against muslims)

Rand has no prejudice against Muslims. What Rand is, across the board, is more 'incrementalist' than Ron. He's trying to figure out the most he can get and actually get it. Ron is trying to wake people up and get them thinking differently, although he will vote to make things better. Rand goes too far imho on compromise and frankly, I don't get the sanctions thing either, and I am going to have to look into it. What I do know, though, is that a handful of things 'looked bad from the outside' in his Senate campaign that if you were following him and the stuff thrown at him you knew exactly where he was coming from. Ron Paul is possibly a once in a lifetime candidate, although I look at some of the new people coming into politics following his footsteps and am encouraged. But Rand is really good. His challenge is the slippery slope of compromise.

 

[Root]

A new armed conflict with Iran is going to drive more of the anti-war people from both parties over to our cause.

 

[sailingaway]

Here is a breakdown of what is really happening in the world in regards to WW3, I follow this stuff just as much as I follow Ron Paul.

1) Russia and China will back Iran if Iran is attack, both stated publicly
2) U.S.A will do everything in there power to get Iran to attack first
3) Iran has stated that if a oil embargo is put into place ( EU just signed it today to take effect in JULY 2012 ) then Iran will close the straight of hormus. Iran also said it might just cut off the oil before that, effecting Spain, Italy and Greece.
4) U.S.A and the U.K said they will attack Iran if the straight is closed
5) Iran has 500k reg troops and about 150k RNG ( Special ), the Shahab 3 is a medium range, liquid-propellant, road-mobile ballistic missile, which Iran has 300 to 500 of. It can and will be used against American troops stationed in the area and it will destroy Isreal.
6) Russia and China are frantically building up there military power knowing what is coming.
7) Ron Paul predicted this and Ron Paul is the only one that can stop it.

I don't see Iran trying to destroy Israel because Israel has nukes -- in fact all of Iran's neighbors have nukes. But backed in a corner seeing no way out, people fight. That is why Ron was saying back the ships off a couple miles and give people room to talk to eachother.

 

[sevin]

Sucks that Rand voted for the sanctions. I don't think I can support him because of that. What's up with that, how can you be Ron Paul's son and have heard everything he's said throughout his whole political career and still support something like that? I don't get it.

Ya it's a real shame Rand has a more warmonger streak in him. He's not a true heir to the RP legacy and I can't support a warmonger of any stripe.

So if Rand Paul were to run for President in 2016, would you guys just sit on the sidelines and call him a warmonger?

 

[A. Havnes]

I'd just like to quote Invader Zim, if you'll bear with me.

ZIM: What is WRONG with these people?!?! This place is just BEGGING to be DESTROYED!!!

 

[Philadelphia76]

People change with age sometimes. But I'm certainly not counting on or expecting Rand to be the torch bearer for the future.

Agreed with this. As it stands- I don't look at Rand as the future "heir" or what have you- but look at him ultimately being more of an "establishment ally" of the Liberty Movement. Kind of a more overtly supportive Jim DeMint or something. Nothing to complain about IMHO- as we certainly need help in those circles too...

 

[LibertyEagle]

There is only one Ron Paul. If you guys are going to wait for another just like him, you will be waiting a very long time.

 

[flightlesskiwi]

correction:

Question - have sanctions sieges ever worked?

answer: if you are strong enough to keep it going and make those you are laying siege to desperate enough to strike out, they always work.

 

[dfalken]

Sucks that Rand voted for the sanctions. I don't think I can support him because of that. What's up with that, how can you be Ron Paul's son and have heard everything he's said throughout his whole political career and still support something like that? I don't get it.

Yup, this is one of the reasons why I don't trust Rand. There was another issue I was amazed at his vote on but I can't remember what it was.

 

[Teenager For Ron Paul]

Those sanctions were a completely fucking stupid idea in the first place...

I'm sure frothy's really excited about this.

 

[SaulPaulinsky]

Question - have sanctions ever worked?

Eh could argue a few. Most recently Myanmar. Also apartheid.

"A 1997 study by the Institute for International Economics found that since 1970, unilateral U.S. sanctions had achieved foreign policy goals only 13 percent of the time. The study also concluded that sanctions are costing the United States $15 billion to $19 billion annually in potential exports."

http://corpwatch.org/article.php?id=14581

Could have argued Libya until well...you know.

But there's no way this is gonna work against Iran, because the way to protect yourself against getting bombed is to get a nuclear weapon. And countries to the left and right of them have been occupied by the US...ergo, it makes sense for them to pursue a nuclear weapon like several other regional powers have.

 

[69360]

I don't like all the Rand bashing very much. He's a principled person and a good leader. He just made a very personal stand against the TSA. He spoke out on the floor against NDAA. What other Senator would do that? No son is exactly like his father. Rand is 100 times better than most of Washington. I'd be proud to vote for Rand someday.

 

[Khun Jean]

I think war is inevitable. I moved to Thailand for that reason.
With the US sending their carrier Enterprise to Iran, i think that will be the 'false flag' to blame Iran and get Russia and China off the US backs when they attack Iran. Very similar to what was done in Pearl Harbour. Sanctions to make your 'enemy' economy go bust and the wait until they attack. As said before 'even Bambi will attack when cornered'. And if they don't soon enough, you can always blow up one of your own ships with the help of some friends in the area and blame it on Iran.

Why else send a carrier that will be decommissioned next year, at a very great cost, better to get it destroyed. What are a few thousand soldiers life worth in a manipulated global 'marketplace' anyway. Cheaper than processing the waste of 8 nuclear reactors? A win-win for psychopath leaders.

Maybe when we stay on top of this we can inform people about the strategies that might be used to start a war.
If more people know about it it might help to prevent it.

We might find a few others. This one to me is very obvious.

 

[RickyJ]

Bring it on. The shock will cause an economic 'correction' that will elect a third party candidate.

No, don't bring it on. War is hell and this one will lead to WW3 and be the deadliest war in Earth's history. The economy and problems of today will seem like paradise compared to WW3.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Ya it's a real shame Rand has a more warmonger streak in him. He's not a true heir to the RP legacy and I can't support a warmonger of any stripe.

If he voted against it, it would have been passed anyway. He needs to be a little warmonger to fit into the party and take it over.