AfterRonPaul.com

sevin said:
Pretty cool, but it looks like it's just about the Free State Project. I was hoping it'd be more about articles and ideas on what we should be doing to keep fighting for our country.

http://www.tomwoods.com/afterpaul/
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Why bother? Who wants to fight for the federal government. I say it's time to secede - there is no hope of changing the federal government, and why would anyone want to continue spending time and money trying? It's a huge waste. They do nothing worth saving.

Liberty-loving people are moving to NH, getting active, and having success getting elected, creating media, doing outreach, and civil disobedience. There is no other viable plan for liberty in our lifetime. If you know of one, I'd love to hear it. Meantime, we're here doing what it takes, and more are joining us every month.

I recommend seriously looking at the 101 reasons to move to NH at http://freestateproject.org/101Reasons
 
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FTL_Ian said:
Why bother? Who wants to fight for the federal government. I say it's time to secede - there is no hope of changing the federal government, and why would anyone want to continue spending time and money trying? It's a huge waste. They do nothing worth saving.

Liberty-loving people are moving to NH, getting active, and having success getting elected, creating media, doing outreach, and civil disobedience. There is no other viable plan for liberty in our lifetime. If you know of one, I'd love to hear it. Meantime, we're here doing what it takes, and more are joining us every month.

I recommend seriously looking at the 101 reasons to move to NH at http://freestateproject.org/101Reasons
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Well you have some subjective opinions in your argument. There are reasons to bother with trying to change the system in other ways. It might be that the FSP will not accomplish enough to stop the feds. Remains to be seen of course.

You want me to abandon my property and family to move to NH where my profession is not an abundant job source. Can't do it. Not willing to take such a risk.

I support what the FSP is doing but I also think the shit is about to hit the fan with monetary/economic collapse. At this point in time even if the state as we know it dissolves, a new one that is worse would likely take it's place. Mainly because the majority of people would demand it. Not enough people are educated on what government really is all about. If that were to happen, then liberty lovers are corralling themselves into an easy execution situation in NH.

I do wish you would consider adding more options to your site because there are more options for liberty lovers. But of course it's your domain name so you can do whatever you want. Good domain buy btw.

I love Free Talk Live btw. Great show.
 
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Glad you like the show. Can you tell me what the other options are besides the Free State Project? I would love to hear something even near as effective as the FSP.

If you want the populace to accept liberty, you'll need a large concentration of people in an area talking about liberty with that populace. We are creating that here.

I don't want you to do anything you don't want to do - that would be silly. I only want the people to move here who are looking to accomplish liberty in their lifetimes and want to join with other activists who are willing to do what it takes. If your career and family have priority, I understand.

Besides some far off future liberty wonderland like the Honduras "Free city" project and the other speculative venture of seasteading - what is actually happening that you think is actually an option? Is there a persuasive video for it you can point me to that could be added to that site? (It's not my site, by the way.)
 
After Ron Paul...... Judge Andrew Napolitano.I like Rand although he isn't Ron.I like Napolitano in his own right.I think he's pure if that makes sense.
 
S.Shortland - that is not a plan to achieve liberty in our lifetime. That is just another man-savior for you to get behind in the hopes that he can change everything. If your idea of a plan is to try to elect someone to president in 2016, you are fooling yourself.
 
FTL_Ian said:
S.Shortland - that is not a plan to achieve liberty in our lifetime. That is just another man-savior for you to get behind in the hopes that he can change everything. If your idea of a plan is to try to elect someone to president in 2016, you are fooling yourself.
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Ian, I agree with you that the answer to our problem is not to elect a single man to office.
 
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FTL_Ian said:
Why bother? Who wants to fight for the federal government. I say it's time to secede - there is no hope of changing the federal government, and why would anyone want to continue spending time and money trying? It's a huge waste. They do nothing worth saving.
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I completely agree.

FTL_Ian said:
Liberty-loving people are moving to NH, getting active, and having success getting elected, creating media, doing outreach, and civil disobedience. There is no other viable plan for liberty in our lifetime. If you know of one, I'd love to hear it. Meantime, we're here doing what it takes, and more are joining us every month.

I recommend seriously looking at the 101 reasons to move to NH at http://freestateproject.org/101Reasons
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Yep. FSP FTW ;)
 
The website seems to include 2 videos and nothing else.

The first video is interesting. The 2nd video is interesting. There doesn't seem to be anyway to take action, though. What are we supposed to DO after Ron Paul? That is something the website doesn't seem to address unless by DO you mean maybe move to New Hampshire at some point.
 
Keith and stuff said:
The website seems to include 2 videos and nothing else.

The first video is interesting. The 2nd video is interesting. There doesn't seem to be anyway to take action, though. What are we supposed to DO after Ron Paul? That is something the website doesn't seem to address unless by DO you mean maybe move to New Hampshire at some point.
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Yeah, I'm not as enthusiastic about the website.
 
FTL_Ian said:
Glad you like the show. Can you tell me what the other options are besides the Free State Project? I would love to hear something even near as effective as the FSP.

If you want the populace to accept liberty, you'll need a large concentration of people in an area talking about liberty with that populace. We are creating that here.

I don't want you to do anything you don't want to do - that would be silly. I only want the people to move here who are looking to accomplish liberty in their lifetimes and want to join with other activists who are willing to do what it takes. If your career and family have priority, I understand.

Besides some far off future liberty wonderland like the Honduras "Free city" project and the other speculative venture of seasteading - what is actually happening that you think is actually an option? Is there a persuasive video for it you can point me to that could be added to that site? (It's not my site, by the way.)
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I just don't agree when you say trying to change things at a national level won't work. I hasn't worked yet. That's for sure. But Ron Paul's national campaign has awakened more people to the concept of liberty than anyone else in my lifetime. I think it is a worthy effort to continue with these types of campaigns and of course working locally as well.

It's dishonest to say that the only option "after Ron Paul" is to move to New Hampshire. For many it's not an option at all. Many people simply can't leave their property and family; and just up and move to New Hampshire.
 
fr33 said:
I just don't agree when you say trying to change things at a national level won't work. I hasn't worked yet. That's for sure. But Ron Paul's national campaign has awakened more people to the concept of liberty than anyone else in my lifetime. I think it is a worthy effort to continue with these types of campaigns and of course working locally as well.

It's dishonest to say that the only option "after Ron Paul" is to move to New Hampshire. For many it's not an option at all. Many people simply can't leave their property and family; and just up and move to New Hampshire.
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The free the world by trying to free all US states at once project has been going on for 100s of years. The results have been disastrous. All of the states are much, much less free and the same is true for most of the world. The results this bad, it would be interesting to debate if trying to increase freedom using the methods and ways used for 100s of years is just completely ineffective or if it is actually decreasing freedom.

Doing what has been done for 100s of years is certainly a failure. However, in theory, it may someday work. There is no evidence to suggest that, though.

On the other hand, trying to bring about freedom to the world by concentrating the best of the best and others who want to come along in NH has been tried since 2003 or so. It has, without a doubt, shown signs that it may work. In fact, you could even argue that it is already working.

So on the 1 hand there is the path that has never worked, there is no evidence it might work and is arguably decreasing freedom. On the other hand there is a path which arguably is working and there is evidence it might work.

The vast majority of people in the US are able to move to New Hampshire. These people don't necessarily need to leave their property or family to move. All to most of their property could be taken to New Hampshire. All of most of their family could be taken to New Hampshire. There are also other options, like visiting family. Another common option is living in New Hampshire part-time. This type of lifestyle is common in the Northeast and especially Northern New England. In fact, I think the 3 Northern New England states are the 3 states with the highest percentage of 2nd homes.

No on is asking people to just up and move to New Hampshire. The 1st video says come here maybe. I recommend that people sign the Free State Project statement of intent and then spend sometime planning their move to New Hampshire. When I signed up, I still had some loose ends to tie up. I ended up moving a few years after I signed up. Read the 101 Reasons to Move to New Hampshire. Take you time. Figure out what is right for you. Move to New Hampshire when it is right for you :)
 
Freedom lost is never regained.... power only flows one way, from the individual to the tyrant. I would agree that this country is WAY too far gone down the wrong road to return to anything even close to resembling a constitutional republic. Our course as a nation is set, the people have failed our founders. Only revolution results in reversing that flow.


*** Disclaimer to DHS/DOJ: I, in no way, advocate for violent revolution resulting in more freedom and less government, nor do I have stockpiles of weapons and food for the aforementioned revolution.***
 
Can anyone from Kenne give me some info about it?

Out of all of the places i've looked into in NH I've liked it the best but what are the odds on finding employment? What are the taxes like there? What is the community like? Are Ron Paul People rampant or few and far between? What type of political organizations are there? What are the gun laws like in that particular city? Etc etc etc

The more info the better... it seems pretty awesome and I can definitely afford the rent compared to living in Chicago. My issue is I'm not sure i'm going to see Chicago money out there... regardless I don't need that much... just enough to live and I imagine i'll save a lot on the taxes alone...sales tax here is 12.5%.
 
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NoOneButPaul said:
Can anyone from Kenne give me some info about it?
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From the dozen or so times I've been in Keene, it looks and feels like most of NH outside of the fact that it's about as left as you can get (regarding your question about political orgs). Property taxes are outrageous if you were ever to be a home owner and many of the upper echelon of the community seem to make money through the government, tho there are plenty of small biz owners. As far as other employment, seems like much of it is retail or chain restaurants/fast food and most of the city revolves around the college there and what that entails. Like the rest of NH, there's no sales tax but there is the prepared food tax of ~9%. I used to open carry whenever I was there and never had a problem, just the few deer in headlight looks from the lefties. It has the feel of a quaint New England small city and everyone seems nice.

There's a difference in what some would consider a Ron Paul person and the other pro-liberty people there. Free Keene is what the bulk of the liberty movement is in the area and after you dig around the site enough, you might be able to get an idea on what the public at large thinks about some of them. The OP is running for state rep as a libertarian and obviously doesn't share good will towards others outside of NH that are involved in restoring the GOP, which I forgive him for since he's NH-centric on virtually everything. I've supported FTL for quite a while, not because they jive with my mission to restore the GOP but because they're very good at what they do and they promote the FSP.

If you are used to Chi-town, you'd be suited a lot better near Manchester as there's plenty more opportunities plus it's a hotbed of where most FSPers settle initially. Anecdotally, two of the state rep wards in Manch both have FSPers running as the dem and rep in the general so it's a win either way. Plus, many other state rep wards around the Manch area are FSP represented whilst many others are locked up by the NHLA.
 
NoOneButPaul said:
Can anyone from Kenne give me some info about it?
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I family I know just sold their nice condition 3 bedroom, 2 bath, 2 car garage home for $115k. A decent condition 2 1/2 bedroom 1 bath, 1 car garage (that is for each of the 2 units) duplex goes for around $200k. Overall property tax bills are a little higher in Keene than most of the populated areas of southeastern NH. The property tax rates in those communities tend to be lower but the property values tend to be higher. The property tax bills in either Keene or the populated areas of southeastern NH are higher than the rural sections of southwestern NH and especially the rural, nonlake sections of central and northern NH.

Keene is a college town. Keene is the retail and workforce leader for the 80k or so people in the greater Keene region. This includes the Monadnock region in NH and the near-by communities in VT and MA. It is in a valley and there are forested hills in all directions. Just like in all of the towns within 20-30 miles of Mt. Monadnock, you can see Mt. Monadnock in parts of Keene. This is the most hiked mountain in the Western Hemisphere. Keene is 1 town away from the CT River. Like most of the NH communities near the CT river, Keene leans Democratic. The Democrats in Keene tend to be a little more open to ending the war on drugs than the average NH Democrat and much more open to creating a state sales or income tax than the average NH Democrat. Keene has a wonderful main street that is very walkable. In fact, the city as a whole is very walkable. See more on Keene from these 2 places.
150+ reasons to move to Keene http://freekeene.com/come-to-keene/reasons-to-move-to-keene/
http://www.keenenh.com/

Out of all of the places i've looked into in NH I've liked it the best but what are the odds on finding employment? What are the taxes like there? What is the community like? Are Ron Paul People rampant or few and far between? What type of political organizations are there? What are the gun laws like in that particular city? Etc etc etc
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I answered some of that above. As for employment, only 25k or so of the 80k people in the greater Keene area live in Keene. Quite a few of the jobs in the area aren't in Keene. Brattleboro, VT is the 2nd largest employment town in the area. Since it is in VT, likely, VT income taxes will need to be paid. If you are willing to look for a job in the whole area, you should have no problem finding a job. However, people are paid noticeably more in southeastern NH; though, it is generally (though not always) more expensive to live in southeastern NH. The other issue is that since the population area is so low (only 80k), the job you find may not be a job you like. The greater Manchester area likely has 4 or more times as many jobs. The greater Nashua or Salem, NH areas, even more opportunities. Though, some of those opportunities are in MA.
I recommend the FSP jobs resource http://freestateproject.org/jobs

I generally recommend that people start out within 60 minutes of Manchester or Nashua. Take any job. Look for a good job and a good place to live. Once you find those, if you don't want to continue living near Manchester, move. It seems to be 1 of the easier paths. If you are single or have a lot of savings, you could do something similar by moving within 30 minutes of any decent sized job market in NH so (Lebanon, Keene, Rochester, Seabrook, Derry, Salem, Dover, Concord or even Laconia).
 
FSP-Rebel said:
There's a difference in what some would consider a Ron Paul person and the other pro-liberty people there. Free Keene is what the bulk of the liberty movement is in the area and after you dig around the site enough, you might be able to get an idea on what the public at large thinks about some of them. The OP is running for state rep as a libertarian and obviously doesn't share good will towards others outside of NH that are involved in restoring the GOP, which I forgive him for since he's NH-centric on virtually everything.
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A couple points on this. There are some towns in NH that lean strongly GOP. There are other towns that are swing communities. I think all of the FSPers who have been elected as state rep were elected in 1 of these types of towns. Keene is a strong Democratic leaning town. If a FSPer was to be elected, it would have to be as a Democrat (IMO). That has been tried but it is very hard for a pro-liberty candidate to get through a Democratic primary in a strongly Democratic area. It happens in swing districts of NH, though.

Free Keene has hurt the image of liberty and freedom in Keene, IMO. I don't expect many political victories in Keene. On the other hand, they are happening in much of the state.

FTL_Ian is running for the NH House as a Libertarian as in the LP. I just wanted to make sure that was clear because you said libertarian, without capitalizing the l, which is confusing. To make matters even more confusing. He is also running for the same position for the unrecognized party known as the Liberty Party. Read his Liberty Party information. http://nh-liberty.info/candidates/ian-freeman-for-state-rep-2012/
 
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Keith and stuff said:
The website seems to include 2 videos and nothing else.

The first video is interesting. The 2nd video is interesting. There doesn't seem to be anyway to take action, though. What are we supposed to DO after Ron Paul? That is something the website doesn't seem to address unless by DO you mean maybe move to New Hampshire at some point.
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The top video clearly suggests moving to NH and points people at the FSP site to get 101 reasons. The bottom video specifically suggests moving to Keene, NH and also provides a link to over 150 reasons to do so. I am sorry you were so confused, Keith. I'll pass your suggestions to the site owner.
 
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