AfterRonPaul.com

[mport1]

Has anyone seen this?

http://afterronpaul.com/

Absolutely, people really need to consider the FSP. If you are doing political or outside the system activism, New Hampshire is the place to be. We need to stop wasting our efforts with national politics and concentrate where we can actually make a difference.

 

[fr33]

Absolutely, people really need to consider the FSP. If you are doing political or outside the system activism, New Hampshire is the place to be. We need to stop wasting our efforts with national politics and concentrate where we can actually make a difference.

Which has convinced more people that liberty is superior?

Ron Paul

or

Free State Project

........


Without Ron Paul's campaigns I bet the FSP would have less than half it's current number of signups. To say we should not try to repeat this campaign method is stupid.

 

[mport1]

Which has convinced more people that liberty is superior?

Ron Paul

or

Free State Project

........


Without Ron Paul's campaigns I bet the FSP would have less than half it's current number of signups. To say we should not try to repeat this campaign method is stupid.

Ron Paul for sure. I still think promoting a good presidential candidate is worthwhile as one of the better methods of educating the public. However, that in itself isn't going to change anything an there isn't another Ron Paul waiting to take up the reigns.

 

[fr33]

The free the world by trying to free all US states at once project has been going on for 100s of years. The results have been disastrous. All of the states are much, much less free and the same is true for most of the world. The results this bad, it would be interesting to debate if trying to increase freedom using the methods and ways used for 100s of years is just completely ineffective or if it is actually decreasing freedom.

Doing what has been done for 100s of years is certainly a failure. However, in theory, it may someday work. There is no evidence to suggest that, though.

On the other hand, trying to bring about freedom to the world by concentrating the best of the best and others who want to come along in NH has been tried since 2003 or so. It has, without a doubt, shown signs that it may work. In fact, you could even argue that it is already working.

So on the 1 hand there is the path that has never worked, there is no evidence it might work and is arguably decreasing freedom. On the other hand there is a path which arguably is working and there is evidence it might work.

The vast majority of people in the US are able to move to New Hampshire. These people don't necessarily need to leave their property or family to move. All to most of their property could be taken to New Hampshire. All of most of their family could be taken to New Hampshire. There are also other options, like visiting family. Another common option is living in New Hampshire part-time. This type of lifestyle is common in the Northeast and especially Northern New England. In fact, I think the 3 Northern New England states are the 3 states with the highest percentage of 2nd homes.

No on is asking people to just up and move to New Hampshire. The 1st video says come here maybe. I recommend that people sign the Free State Project statement of intent and then spend sometime planning their move to New Hampshire. When I signed up, I still had some loose ends to tie up. I ended up moving a few years after I signed up. Read the 101 Reasons to Move to New Hampshire. Take you time. Figure out what is right for you. Move to New Hampshire when it is right for you

I've never made the claim that a national liberty campaign will be successful.

The main barrier to a free society is an uneducated population. You can't be free because most of your neighbors are willing to point govt guns at you and keep you from it. I have not witnessed a more successful educational process for liberty like Ron Paul's presidential campaigns in my life. Heck, he even helped turn people into anarchists without really meaning to. Ron Paul was the only candidate promoting authors and their books.

I refuse to give up on this method of educating the public by getting the concept of liberty on the national stage. Even though we got screwed by the media, enough reason broke through to the gen pop to wake people up.

 

[FTL_Ian]

NooneButPaul,

Here's what you should do to learn more about Keene. Check out the 150+ reasons to move at http://move.freekeene.com after you look at the 101 reasons to move to NH at http://freestateproject.org/101Reasons

Many of your questions are answered there.

If you still have questions after that, I recommend stopping by the Shire Society forums at http://forum.shiresociety.com where activists from across NH are present and are happy to help you with your questions!

 

[FTL_Ian]

I've never made the claim that a national liberty campaign will be successful.

The main barrier to a free society is an uneducated population. You can't be free because most of your neighbors are willing to point govt guns at you and keep you from it. I have not witnessed a more successful educational process for liberty like Ron Paul's presidential campaigns in my life. Heck, he even helped turn people into anarchists without really meaning to. Ron Paul was the only candidate promoting authors and their books.

I refuse to give up on this method of educating the public by getting the concept of liberty on the national stage. Even though we got screwed by the media, enough reason broke through to the gen pop to wake people up.

So don't give up - no one is suggesting you stop doing what you feel is effective. I gave over $1500 to Ron Paul's campaign because I believe he brings people to liberty. However, if you want to see liberty in your lifetime, it makes sense to concentrate activism in one geographic region. Not only does it make sense - it's working already. You can do both national and local stuff, but it's ALL more effective in NH.

 

[tremendoustie]

I'd recommend Nashua over Manch. Much nicer town imo, with much more retail, and closer to Boston if you get a hankering for a really big city.

The seacoast is also very nice.

There are lots of jobs in NH -- unemployment is among the lowest in the nation. Most of the jobs are in the southeast part of the state -- Nashua/Manch/Seacoast, and in-between.

 

[tremendoustie]

Interesting chart:

 

[Keith and stuff]

The chart is interesting but can you please explain exactly what it means? I don't understand it.

 

[tremendoustie]

The chart is interesting but can you please explain exactly what it means? I don't understand it.

I'm not the creator of the chart, but my understanding was that it's total donations to Ron Paul + Gary Johnson in 2008 and 2012 divided by total personal income in the state in thousands of dollars.

So, if state X, for example, had 1000 residents who made on average $5,000 in personal income, and donated a total of $10,000 to RP and GJ in 2008, and $20,000 in 2012, state X would have a (1000*$10,000)/(1000*$5,000)=2 rating for 2008 and a (1000*$20,000)/(1000*$5,000)=4 rating for 2012, and appear at coordinate position X=2, Y=4.

But, now that I say that, I realize it can't possibly be true, because the numbers here would have to be much, much smaller. If it were divided by personal income in millions of dollars, the numbers would be reasonable.

 

[Keith and stuff]

The creator posted this to Facebook to explain the chart.

A figure of "3" in the above chart means that state residents spent 0.3% of their income on donations to Ron Paul and Gary Johnson.

 

[tremendoustie]

The creator posted this to Facebook to explain the chart.

I think the stats he grabbed for personal income were in thousands of dollars, instead of dollars.

Ron Paul only pulled in what -- 20 million dollars or so? If that represented something like 0.1% of everyone's income (a 1 rating), that would mean total income for the entire country is only 20 billion dollars, for 300 million people -- less than $100 per person.

Really, RP's total donations are more like 0.0001% of everyone's income. Also, if you google "total personal income", most of the charts you get are in thousands (and not obviously labeled as such).

The chart is correct in terms of the states' relative position, but I think the creator missed a few decimal places.

 

[J_White]

i think there should be a website called "Ron Paul was Right" or something with all his videos which warned of things like more debt, more QEs, more blowback, and when talking to people about these issues, even after the elections, we can quote them that site. Once the elections are over, the RNC will give up their iron grip on people and we would have time to make some inroads. it would be easier without all the media and RNC attack mode during the election cycle.

 

[fr33]

i think there should be a website called "Ron Paul was Right" or something with all his videos which warned of things like more debt, more QEs, more blowback, and when talking to people about these issues, even after the elections, we can quote them that site. Once the elections are over, the RNC will give up their iron grip on people and we would have time to make some inroads. it would be easier without all the media and RNC attack mode during the election cycle.

I just checked on godaddy for ronpaulwasright(dot)com and:

RonpaulWasRight.com
is a Premium Domain Name and
is available for $2,595.00*

 

[KMX]

I like the website. Needs more pages, however a good start.

I will be in New Hampshire in the spring. Can't wait! ;0)

 

[Dave Nalle]

What to do now

A lot of us believe that the best strategy for the post-Paul era is to elect more people who share his belief in less government and more liberty to office on the state and national level and to organize to pass pro-liberty legislation and hold government and elected officials accountable. If we work together and focus on achievable goals we can change the Republican Party from within as precinct chairs and activists and by getting elected to positions of leadership. We've already made huge progress in this area and this is just the beginning.

Most of this effort is taking place through the Republican Liberty Caucus and its state and local chapters all over the country. You can find out more about the RLC, its pro-liberty principles, its activism initiatives and your local RLC organizations at http://www.rlc.org.

Dave

 

[FTL_Ian]

A lot of us believe that the best strategy for the post-Paul era is to elect more people who share his belief in less government and more liberty to office on the state and national level and to organize to pass pro-liberty legislation and hold government and elected officials accountable. If we work together and focus on achievable goals we can change the Republican Party from within as precinct chairs and activists and by getting elected to positions of leadership. We've already made huge progress in this area and this is just the beginning.

Most of this effort is taking place through the Republican Liberty Caucus and its state and local chapters all over the country. You can find out more about the RLC, its pro-liberty principles, its activism initiatives and your local RLC organizations at http://www.rlc.org.

Dave

Dave, people have tried that for years. I think this election with the shenanigans the old guard in the Republican Party pulled to keep things status quo proved how futile of a strategy that is. However, that strategy WILL work if you concentrate activists in a geographic area, as we are doing in NH. In fact, that strategy IS working. It's actually working so well, that we're taking over the Republicans and Democrats to the point where this year in Manchester there are two state house elections where BOTH the Republican and Democrat candidate are Free State Project participants. Whoever wins, liberty wins. Is that happening anywhere else? (Nope!)

So, if you really want your plan to work, move to NH and get active. If you think that you can make it work in your state, by all means, keep trying - but when you finally get tired of banging your head against the good ol' boys' brick wall - you know where to find us: http://freestateproject.org

 

[FTL_Ian]

By the way, there is a new video up on http://AfterRonPaul.com which is a brand new interview of Ron Paul (recorded 10/12/12) where he endorses the Free State Project: http://freekeene.com/2012/10/14/ron-paul-loves-the-free-state-project/

Ron says, among other nice things: “I love the idea of the Free State movement and hopefully they can set the example for others to follow.”

 

[fr33]

Ian I heard yesterday's show and you cite this topic while totally misrepresenting what we've said. You claim that we're naive and that we think we're going to save the country but really what some of us have said in this topic is that we aren't willing to abandon our land, family, or businesses. My main criticism is that "after Ron Paul" includes many other options than just moving to NH. Because moving to NH is not an option at all for me.

 

[fr33]

I understand how you want to promote your project but stop slandering people that are not willing to give up what they have worked hard for.