Active Shooter San Bernardino - Shooters on the loose

[wizardwatson]

Awaiting news conference, but right now CNN saying police chief says, "Suspects are down. One officer wounded."

 

[RJB]

Good video. I would recommend however putting 911 on speed dial on your phone, so you can call them even quicker

The shooter looked like an under-cover police officer.

 

[MelissaWV]

Ye gods great and small, everyone had better hope that acts of violence on US soil never get codified as "terrorism." If so, the entire system will be completely, and utterly, fooked. Terrorists have no rights, not even the facade of rights that most people have, not even the legal illusion of civil liberties.

There's the rub.

Terrorism is that which is planned to instill terror, after all, and this qualifies. It doesn't really matter that almost 600 people show up on the homicide report for 2015 (so far) in LA County... the media has blessed this with 24/7 coverage, and soon will come out with all the heartbreaking stories of people who were killed. There will be talk of how many awful mass-shootings there are lately, and thank God those officers had bearcats and hundreds of vehicles to block traffic with, or who knows how many thousands those three people would have killed with their "long rifles" and "dark SUVs" and "possible explosive devices." Spill in some rough details, amplify the everyman angle, and you have yourself a bunch of terrorists which, as you say, are not afforded the usual civil liberties.

 

[Dr.3D]

I suspect this whole thing is to promote gun control.

 

[tod evans]

I suspect this whole thing is to promote gun control.

I'm going with the two-fer, good-kops and bad-guns..........

 

[MelissaWV]

I suspect this whole thing is to promote gun control.

I'm with tod evans, but I'll raise you both.

It's gun control for the common folks.
It's more funding and guns and military surplus for the police --- including those that showed up with jackets that say "PROBATION" across the back.

 

[thoughtomator]

I suspect this whole thing is to promote gun control.

No doubt, the gun banning propaganda is at full tilt right now.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Lord have mercy.

With regards to this being a potential false flag, what is the point of doing it while there is a nearby training excercise? I see that people use the timing of training excercises as proof that this may be a false flag, but I honestly don't get it. What would be the purpose? Is it to demonstrate force?

In at least once instance, (9/11/2001) the effect (purpose?) of having a drill during the attack was to confuse the authorities and prevent a proper response (shooting down the planes). The folks who see conspiracy every time there's drill near one of these event are reaching, IMO, but the idea does have some basis in reality.

 

[Dr.3D]

No doubt, the gun banning propaganda is at full tilt right now.

When we get a conservative administration next term, I'll bet the incidence of this happening will decrease.

 

[TheTexan]

Was it a gun free zone? If not, just a simple sign that guns were not allowed, could have saved all these lives

 

[MelissaWV]

In at least once instance, (9/11/2001) the effect (purpose?) of having a drill during the attack was to confuse the authorities and prevent a proper response (shooting down the planes). The folks who see conspiracy every time there's drill near one of these event are reaching, IMO, but the idea does have some basis in reality.

Absolutely. Government conspiracies are quite real, but so are nutters who shoot up places. I'm glad I'm not the only one whose mind isn't blown by that possibility.

 

[liveandletlive]

confirmation bias overload

 

[thoughtomator]

Absolutely. Government conspiracies are quite real, but so are nutters who shoot up places. I'm glad I'm not the only one whose mind isn't blown by that possibility.

Who says they need to be mutually exclusive? Remember the 1993 WTC bombing? Islamic nutters guided and instructed by the FBI.

Lord knows if you want to have a false flag incident it's the path of least resistance to use a tool that's already eager to do the job.

 

[Dr.3D]

Watch for the Obama speech on gun control in the near future.

 

[wizardwatson]

Worker claiming that they started active shooter training just last year.

Obama already preaching gun control measures "not to prevent every one, but to improve statistics of reducing frequency".

So much for it not becoming "normal" when we're no longer discussing eliminating but minimizing problem.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Gun-free zone?

 

[wizardwatson]

Gun-free zone?

Maybe on the state level.

I work actually in the former location of our state SRS agency. It's not a regional center, but in Kansas we have concealed carry, and I'm aware of a couple state coworkers who carry weapons to work.

Though this sounds like a holiday party and unclear whether it was mostly workers or if clients were there or what % of casualties belongs to either group.

 

[Dr.3D]

Worker claiming that they started active shooter training just last year.

Obama already preaching gun control measures "not to prevent every one, but to improve statistics of reducing frequency".

So much for it not becoming "normal" when we're no longer discussing eliminating but minimizing problem.

The people doing this will never have a problem getting guns, no matter how much gun control is legislated.

 

[TheNewYorker]

San Bernadino police just released the name of one suspect as Tayyeep Bin Ardogan, a 28 year-old Qatar citizen (Twitter)

http://www.lucianne.com/

 

[Dr.3D]

San Bernadino police just released the name of one suspect as Tayyeep Bin Ardogan, a 28 year-old Qatar citizen (Twitter)

http://www.lucianne.com/

How convenient.

Edit: I suppose they got that from his drivers license?