A Realistic Strategy for a Brokered Convention

[No1ButPaul08]

ron paul's message is not a brokered convention. the brokered convention is just the latest version of the billionaire, or the "secret plan", so on so forth. the message is liberty. we're treating this like a campaign, and it's not. it's a movement. the campaign was just the launching point. nothing we can do will make ron the next potus. he knows this. you know this (whether you've admitted it to yourself is a whole different point). all this billionaire, secret plan, brokered convention, "stealth delegate" talk is undermining the movement. we need to go indy to keep hope alive, to keep people JOINING and not LEAVING the movement. how do you not see this?

Do you get any email's from Ron Paul. His message is absolutely a brokered convention, although he has a little more faith than I

From Ron himself

For one thing, for the first time since 1952, we are headed towards a brokered convention. Instead of a coronation of one of the establishment candidates, the delegates, influenced by the people, will decide. And I am afraid that this will take place in a time of heightened economic crisis. That means even more Americans will be ready to hear our message. But it also means I am really going to need your help.

Until Ron drops out of the GOP nomination, we are obligated to support this strategy

 

[RageAgainstDC]

ron paul is not the movement. WE ARE THE MOVEMENT. if ron wants to go to a brokered convention, watch huck or romney kingmake mccain, and run this movement into the ground in the process, then i for one will be pretty pissed off. you know god damn well a brokered convention isn't going to make ron potus. he knows that. no shit he's going to push the brokered convention miracle bullshit, he's a politician. he needs to make things look at least remotely possible, and you all are buying it hook line and sinker. he isn't going to stray from that until he announces an indy run, as that would be political suicide. it doesn't take a genius to put it all together.

 

[dkim68]

ron paul's message is not a brokered convention. the brokered convention is just the latest version of the billionaire, or the "secret plan", so on so forth.

The brokered convention idea is mentioned in the official campaign training videos.

 

[Bradley in DC]

Do not underrate a convention speech. Would do more than any third party run. And he can still run third party after the convention.

AFTER? I think it would be way too late by then--it would be a logistical nightmare. The third party conventions are BEFORE the Republicans meet.

 

[No1ButPaul08]

I'm going to bed as I was up all night doing this.

It's either this, third party, or sit back and watch. Currently Ron is running for the GOP. If Ron doesn't like this he can send a message to have it stopped.

If anything, this should be debated. If anyone has any questions PM or post them here.

 

[No1ButPaul08]

AFTER? I think it would be way too late by then--it would be a logistical nightmare. The third party conventions are BEFORE the Republicans meet.

I'm talking about using his delegates to weasel his way into speaking at the GOP. This is the thing I'm least sure about, not even sure if it's possible. But if it happened it would be monumental

I think i misunderstood with that reply, it will be pretty clear very soon whether this will work or not. If McCain sweeps the Chesapeake primary, it's over. We can do this and have a third party run going in a month or two, if it fails. McCain will either wrap it up or he wont

 

[No1ButPaul08]

going to bed bump, please consider

 

[Bradley in DC]

I'm talking about using his delegates to weasel his way into speaking at the GOP. This is the thing I'm least sure about, not even sure if it's possible. But if it happened it would be monumental

I think i misunderstood with that reply, it will be pretty clear very soon whether this will work or not. If McCain sweeps the Chesapeake primary, it's over. We can do this and have a third party run going in a month or two, if it fails. McCain will either wrap it up or he wont

Yes, I'm very much looking forward to his speaking at the convention--the question is whether we can get prime time or not!

I'm not sure it's over after our Chesapeake primaries here--I give him more time for a meltdown. But yes, before the LP, CP, Reform, Independent conventions, we should have a better idea of the Republican delegate counts.

 

[affa]

ron paul's message is not a brokered convention. the brokered convention is just the latest version of the billionaire, or the "secret plan", so on so forth. the message is liberty. we're treating this like a campaign, and it's not. it's a movement. the campaign was just the launching point. nothing we can do will make ron the next potus. he knows this. you know this (whether you've admitted it to yourself is a whole different point). all this billionaire, secret plan, brokered convention, "stealth delegate" talk is undermining the movement. we need to go indy to keep hope alive, to keep people JOINING and not LEAVING the movement. how do you not see this?

No, I don't "know" he won't be president.

What I do know is that I believe Ron Paul needs to become president in 2008.

Not for him.
Not for us, his supporters.

But for the world.

He's the only candidate left that intends to not only end the occupation and the war, but will directly address the reasons we go to war (the petro-dollar).

meanwhile, the dollar is tanking. without him the federal reserve keeps on keeping on. we invade iran, and maybe even pakistan or syria.

if not him, then who?

Your name is RageagainstDC, and I agree with that. But what are our options? Wait another 4 years? Another 8? Another 12?

We let this slime into office every damn election. And then people start their 'oh, just wait, we'll fix it in 4 years'. No. We won't. At some point we need to accept that. It's always now or never. We need Ron Paul to be President.

I don't know how this will come to pass, but I'm following his lead.

 

[Suzu]

Here in Missouri we have a solid grassroots team working with the delegate process. Lots of people here voted for Huckabee simply because they thought RP "can't win", so if Huck drops out we'll have a lot more RP delegates than perhaps other states will.

 

[Suzu]

If we do make it to a brokered RNC, I hope a well-prepared and slightly toned-down John Killian (or someone with as much charisma and oratory skill) will be speaking on Ron Paul's behalf. Can that be arranged?

 

[MrZach]

Don't vote for anybody but Ron. Just become a stealth delegate in these states. Its not like you lose your life if you break and vote for Ron on the first ballot.

No, you just lose your seat and right to vote at the convention... possibly for you entire state. GREAT idea... not...

 

[dkim68]

So now this strategy is meaningless because Romney just dropped out.

 

[Bradley in DC]

So now this strategy is meaningless because Romney just dropped out.

Nonsense, the strategy is much more relevant: a Paul-Huckabee alliance against McCain is much easier and more viable!

 

[No1ButPaul08]

Nonsense, the strategy is much more relevant: a Paul-Huckabee alliance against McCain is much easier and more viable!

I agree, Huck and Romney ate at each other. Helping McCain. I'm going to edit the original post to reflect Romney's exit

 

[Bradley in DC]

Perhaps with Mitt out, you and Krippy could pull resources and an updated strategy. I'll be out of the loop for a bit with a Congressional race.

 

[austinchick]

The campaign can't do this. Talk about unethical/shady/something RP would never do. But, It's the only option. Blindly believing there is going to be a brokered convension is crazy. CRAZY

op, how do we know you are not a mole?

 

[No1ButPaul08]

op, how do we know you are not a mole?

Well i spent 12 hours detailing a strategy where RP can win and McCain can be stopped. There was a reason i put goal #2 first in the OP, that is getting delegates for RP in the good states.

But none of this matters if we do not complete goal #1, stop John McCain.

None of this in anyway undermines RP in anyway, besides some meaningless vote totals in some states

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Nonsense, the strategy is much more relevant: a Paul-Huckabee alliance against McCain is much easier and more viable!

No, less viable, in that Huckabee was McCain's stalking horse to split the non McCain vote. Take Huck out before FL and Romney would have won it and many of the Super Tuesday races. McCain will likely offer him VP and a promise he'll only serve one term, clearing the way for Huck in 2012. If McCain loses (let's say WHEN he loses), Huckabee will be in the same position to run come 2012.

The brokered convention is less likely as of this week, but still feasible. It just needs to be tweaked per each state in light of the different rules per GOP organization. The brokered scenario has been discussed for months, not just sprung up yesterday like the billionaire junk (the Tate/HQ video explaining the delegate pickup process dates from NOVEMBER). I don't think HQ (or the grassroots) anticipated just how draconian the media blackout was going to be, but the stealth delegate plan doesn't depend on media coverage to work. Paul just needs to supply the inspiration to the grassroots (say, announcing he'll take a 3rd party line?) to keep them energized.

 

[dkim68]

Here's a newbie question. Does McCain get all of Romney and Giuliani's delegates?