A Realistic Strategy for a Brokered Convention

[No1ButPaul08]

Did you even understand the post you criticize? Stop the "stealth" crap.

Bradley your thoughts. This is way over most people's heads

After all, it was you who told me to learn the rules. I did, I think this is the only option. Realistic is a stretch, i know. But it has to be tried

 

[RageAgainstDC]

there is no such thing as a realistic brokered convention strategy. huck and romney both have enough delegates to be kingmaker. you all seem to forget this...

 

[No1ButPaul08]

edit: bump accidently replied twice

 

[No1ButPaul08]

there is no such thing as a realistic brokered convention strategy. huck and romney both have enough delegates to be kingmaker. you all seem to forget this...

Can't hurt to try. McCain knows Huckabee as his VP would be an instant loss. A McCain/Romney ticket is laughable. These delegates aren't forced to go for who huck or romney likes. We have to try and stop McCain. It can only help Ron Paul.

McCain is a love/hate relationship. I imagine some delegates feel this way. We have to try this as a last ditch GOP effort.

 

[RageAgainstDC]

Can't hurt to try. McCain knows Huckabee as his VP would be an instant loss. A McCain/Romney ticket is laughable. These delegates aren't forced to go for who huck or romney likes. We have to try and stop McCain. It can only help Ron Paul.

McCain is a love/hate relationship. I imagine some delegates feel this way. We have to try this as a last ditch GOP effort.

yes, it can hurt to try. every day we waste on this pipe dream is a day we aren't moving forward with an independent candidacy. every gop primary we lose, we lose support with it. it could hurt. a lot.

 

[parocks]

there is no such thing as a realistic brokered convention strategy. huck and romney both have enough delegates to be kingmaker. you all seem to forget this...

What do you suppose the strategy should be?

The most reasonable, well thought out strategy at this point seems to be

1) STOP MCCAIN / DELEGATES / BROKERED CONVENTION strategy

What, again, are the other strategies?
They seem to rely on ignoring known facts.

2) Just keep on canvassing, telling people about Ron Paul, buying ads, blimps, billboards about Ron Paul, etc. and hoping for the best

Hello, we're about to lose to McCain.

It seems like strategy #2 seems to be relying on ignoring "we're about to lose to McCain" or hoping for something like McCain dying.

Also, strategy 2 was super tuesday strategy, and it didn't result in any victories.

If you want to continue strategy 2, focus on Idaho.

The thing I like about brokered convention strategy is that if there is a brokered convention, we won't know until the convention how well we did with the delegates, so we'll have hope going into the convention. (If we're successful in stopping McCain).

Is there a strategy 3? If so, what is it?

 

[No1ButPaul08]

there is no such thing as a realistic brokered convention strategy. huck and romney both have enough delegates to be kingmaker. you all seem to forget this...

And then we threaten the third party run. The GOP has spent 25 years to trying undermine Ron Paul. It's time for his supporters to step up and undermine the GOP. We would fail Ron Paul if we don't do this

 

[parocks]

yes, it can hurt to try. every day we waste on this pipe dream is a day we aren't moving forward with an independent candidacy. every gop primary we lose, we lose support with it. it could hurt. a lot.

Ron Paul is running for the Republican Nomination.

Until that option is foreclosed, we are all here to help him win the Republican Nomination.

 

[No1ButPaul08]

yes, it can hurt to try. every day we waste on this pipe dream is a day we aren't moving forward with an independent candidacy. every gop primary we lose, we lose support with it. it could hurt. a lot.

Is the independent candidacy not a pipe dream? I don't need to go into what RP has said here. Almost every email he sends mentions a brokered convention, although with no back up.

Maybe RP is expecting his supporters to broker the convention. After all, its the supporters that have been running the campaign.

 

[parocks]

Is the independent candidacy not a pipe dream? I don't need to go into what RP has said here. Almost every email he sends mentions a brokered convention, although with no back up.

Maybe RP is expecting his supporters to broker the convention. After all, its the supporters that have been running the campaign.

If Ron Paul wants a brokered convention, we should do everything we can to get to a brokered convention.


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Goal #1 - Stop McCain

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=114659

Excellent detailed analysis of Brokered Convention / Situational Voting / STOP MCCAIN

 

[Bradley in DC]

Bradley your thoughts. This is way over most people's heads

After all, it was you who told me to learn the rules. I did, I think this is the only option. Realistic is a stretch, i know. But it has to be tried

Sorry. Yes, yours is a thoughtful, informed and intelligent analysis. I'm not saying I endorse it without giving it some more thought--for example in DC, I except McCain to win but for us to beat Huckabee. It is thought provoking as a starting point, but I think people in each respective state need to take a good look at their respective situations and act accordingly. If there are old hands in our camp in each state who understand the local people, local ways, I'd defer to them (and not the official campaign staff).

That said, I'm getting really tired of the "secret strategy", most of McCain's delegate really support Dr. Paul, and all of the other baseless excuses to divert attention from both the real need to work now in states approaching and from HQ incompetence.

 

[RageAgainstDC]

a brokered convention is going to go like this:

first ballot... no majority.

second ballot... huck or romney kingmake mccain.

that's if we even HAVE a brokered convention to begin with. do you really think that the GOP is going to allow ron paul to be it's nominee after everything they have done to stifle him... for 25 years as you point out?

and yes an indy run is a pipedream. but atleast it offers hope. it stops the bleeding. it keeps up from losing more and more support with each gop primary loss. it gives people a reason to campaign again, knowing he'll be on the ballot in november. it's about the message, not the presidency. i think we all came into this knowing that.

 

[IDefendThePlatform]

a brokered convention is going to go like this:

first ballot... no majority.

second ballot... huck or romney kingmake mccain.

that's if we even HAVE a brokered convention to begin with. do you really think that the GOP is going to allow ron paul to be it's nominee after everything they have done to stifle him... for 25 years as you point out?

and yes an indy run is a pipedream. but atleast it offers hope. it stops the bleeding. it keeps up from losing more and more support with each gop primary loss. it gives people a reason to campaign again, knowing he'll be on the ballot in november. it's about the message, not the presidency. i think we all came into this knowing that.

Right on the money. Especially the part about the message being more important than anything.

 

[No1ButPaul08]

Sorry. Yes, yours is a thoughtful, informed and intelligent analysis. I'm not saying I endorse it without giving it some more thought--for example in DC, I except McCain to win but for us to beat Huckabee. It is thought provoking as a starting point, but I think people in each respective state need to take a good look at their respective situations and act accordingly. If there are old hands in our camp in each state who understand the local people, local ways, I'd defer to them (and not the official campaign staff).

That said, I'm getting really tired of the "secret strategy", most of McCain's delegate really support Dr. Paul, and all of the other baseless excuses to divert attention from both the real need to work now in states approaching and from HQ incompetence.

Yeah, most of McCain's delegates are like DC, locked until he releases them, or his slate, or both. It is a state by state, day by day operation. Polls will change, we might have to go for Romney instead of Huck. It has to get to the people on the ground in the relevant states

 

[Michael Ingram]

Why wouldn't Huckabee just give Mccain his delegates to put him over the top, thus securing his spot as VP?

 

[No1ButPaul08]

Right on the money. Especially the part about the message being more important than anything.

Do not underrate a convention speech. Would do more than any third party run. And he can still run third party after the convention.

 

[No1ButPaul08]

Why wouldn't Huckabee just give Mccain his delegates to put him over the top, thus securing his spot as VP?

For one that's a losing ticket and McCain might take a chance in a brokered convention.

 

[RageAgainstDC]

If Ron Paul wants a brokered convention, we should do everything we can to get to a brokered convention.


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Goal #1 - Stop McCain

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=114659

Excellent detailed analysis of Brokered Convention / Situational Voting / STOP MCCAIN

so we're a cult now? i missed that memo....

 

[No1ButPaul08]

so we're a cult now? i missed that memo....

Ron Paul's message is a brokered convention. Do you support the message?

 

[RageAgainstDC]

Ron Paul's message is a brokered convention. Do you support the message?

ron paul's message is not a brokered convention. the brokered convention is just the latest version of the billionaire, or the "secret plan", so on so forth. the message is liberty. we're treating this like a campaign, and it's not. it's a movement. the campaign was just the launching point. nothing we can do will make ron the next potus. he knows this. you know this (whether you've admitted it to yourself is a whole different point). all this billionaire, secret plan, brokered convention, "stealth delegate" talk is undermining the movement. we need to go indy to keep hope alive, to keep people JOINING and not LEAVING the movement. how do you not see this?