A Message from Ron - No 3P Run, we will continue the fight..

[MsDoodahs]

Nothing could be more clear: the GOP has LOST ITS WAY.

Think about it. When Ron has been asked "why are you in the GOP," his response is always "The GOP has LOST ITS WAY."

There is no more clear evidence that Ron is CORRECT than the FACT that McCain is hated and despised by huge numbers of Republicans and AT THE SAME TIME, is the likely nominee!

The GOP is in shambles. If, as now appears likely, McCain goes on to the nomination, the GOP will fracture even further!

The GOP was presented with an amazing opportunity: to embrace the young Ron Paul supporters and be re-energized and re-freshed for the future.

The GOP refused. GOP "leaders" intentionally marginalized Dr. Paul and in doing so, closed the door to his supporters. The GOP repeatedly refused to toss the big government, big spending neocons in its midst.

This election is pivotal in that it is showing true limited government conservatives EXACTLY who the traitors are, right down to the local level.

And it is at this local level that infiltration of the GOP will commence.

Realize too that growing this movement means NOT limiting ourselves to the GOP. That would be a mistake IMO. In your local area, you know what party is in control.

Doesn't matter what color "party hat" you wear to get into office - what matters is that you run, you win (with the support of the network we now have in place) and that you forever champion liberty. Period.

 

[LastoftheMohicans]

Let him win his primary

first. I think it's in early March. There is no Democrat in the general election. After he wins the primary, his seat will be safe and he will still be free to run as a 3rd party for pres. and as a congressman.

 

[expatinireland]

Just a quick thought here.

As far as the Republican Party is concerned Ron Paul has always been an outsider.

To date we haven't seen anything in the primaries that suggests anything different.

Doesn't Ron Paul see this, why does he want to stay in a Party that treats him like dirt?

Wouldn't it be better to start a whole new political movement that could take his ideas to a new level.

I am feeling right now like I did when Ross Perot self destructed.

R-E-S-P-E-C-T

 

[LEK]

February 8, 2008

But with so many primaries and caucuses now over, we do not now need so big a national campaign staff, and so I am making it leaner and tighter.

Transaltion: Weed out the informants.

 

[klamath]

A while back I thought about what type of scenario would cause Ron Paul to run 3rd party, especially after saying he wouldn't.

I figured that the most likely scenario would be if he had the Republican nomination and the GOP stole it from him. He'd be so pissed that he'd run 3rd party. Under the terms of that scenario, he had the support, he should have had the nomination, and a 3rd party run would have a very good chance of success.

To this point, there has been none of that.

If Ron Paul was to win every single delegate not yet won by McCain, Huck or Mitt, I don't think he would have enough delegates to win the nomination.

But, he might think that he has enough support to maybe win if he ran 3rd party.

So, if you want him to run 3rd party, you have to rack up an impressive series of wins, and a whole lot of delegates.

Right now, the evidence out there points to less than 10% in a 3rd party run.

With that kind of likely outcome, he's not gonna run 3rd party.

Give him some sort of reason to think that he could win in the fall (hard evidence - lots of wins now, lots of delegates now) and he might reconsider running 3rd party in the fall.

you hit the nail on the head. Getting 3 to 10 percent in the primaries does not inspire much confidence in a third party run.

 

[MsDoodahs]

Just a quick thought here.

As far as the Republican Party is concerned Ron Paul has always been an outsider.

To date we haven't seen anything in the primaries that suggests anything different.

Doesn't Ron Paul see this, why does he want to stay in a Party that treats him like dirt?

To maintain his congressional seat.

Wouldn't it be better to start a whole new political movement that could take his ideas to a new level.

Can't be done until the laws are changed - can't change the laws until you get people in there who are willing to change them.

 

[Molly1]

I wonder if Ron Paul has ever been threatened like Ross Perot supposedly was?

I don't think he would ever tell us. And, he's not one to be afraid, trusting in God the way he does.

But I must say when I saw him arrive at a rally through a back door, he was with the biggest meanest-looking bodyguards I have ever seen in my life. It was subtle but there was a look on their faces that drove fear into my heart. I notice things like that. Those guys would rip apart anyone who ever tried to hurt him, even if it took them years to do it. That was the message I got from looking at them. Maybe they were angels and I just imagined them.

 

[pickdog]

"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson

"The battle, Sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, Sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable; and let it come! I repeat, Sir, let it come!" -- Patrick Henry

"It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings. ... Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things, which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it. Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. ... Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" Patrick Henry

Go if you must, but for me, in the immortal words of John Paul Jones, "I have not yet begun to fight!"

 

[thegr8drronpaul]

We must convince him to RUN FOR PRESIDENT! No more war!--no more debt! My brother and brother-in-law and myself and all my buddies are going to have to keep fighting this illegal, horrible war! Please Mr. Paul, run and fight for the country--not just your party!

this post is extrEEEEEEmely convincing

 

[billjarrett]

Just a quick thought here.

As far as the Republican Party is concerned Ron Paul has always been an outsider.

To date we haven't seen anything in the primaries that suggests anything different.

Doesn't Ron Paul see this, why does he want to stay in a Party that treats him like dirt?

Wouldn't it be better to start a whole new political movement that could take his ideas to a new level.

I am feeling right now like I did when Ross Perot self destructed.

R-E-S-P-E-C-T

Because it's the party that has left Ron Paul, not the other way around. I know alot of people here in the forums are younger, and all they know about the Republicans are the neocons but it hasn't always been that way.

He is there because he is their roots, and he should never let them forget that. That is why I keep pushing that we need to take this local. Believe it or not, there are many of the "sheeple" that can be awakened locally. They are already awakened actually, just they never tied Ron Paul to how they really felt.

I think we have the organization in place now to turn the GOP on it's head, and take it back to the Ron Paul like roots. If you were a precinct leader, you should have access to a good list of other precinct leaders in your area. If you were in a meetup, theres a big list there too. Not all of these people will want to get involved... some will want to go their own way and some just thought sign waving was fun, but between those two groups you should have a decent sized chunk of people to get motivated.

In a post earlier, I linked to other posts showing that some people were having pretty good luck with basically taking over their local GOP. Some of us will have a easier time of it than others, ours looks pretty well organized and funded in my county on the web - but that may look different once I actually go to a meeting.

We need to get our folks into those meetings, become precinct commiteemen, township chairmen, county chairmen, etc. We need to go in with a "We can't fight the Democrats by being the Democrats" message. There may be more people in there that agree with you then you think, at least the old timers. War issue might be a bit of a hard sell still, but I think with the upcoming financial crisis it will get easier.

http://www.eagleforum.org/misc/brochures/precinct-committman.shtml is a link that really helped sell me on the idea.

 

[Proemio]

....

In limbo in Ireland.

How long are the election campaigns in Ireland, or almost anywhere else for that matter? One month? Maybe two? Three at most?

From the convention (September 1-2) to the election in November we have the two month spread most of the world gets to make up their mind.

Everything happening now and before September is mere foreplay - a private club event.

Fundamementally, all the candidates are merely fighting to get a say at that private club event in September.

Quitting the club anytime before would be tantamount to whining - something the establishment - and all it's various flunkies here - have wet dreams about for months. They have the Bloomberg/(Powell?) 'independent' ticket ready for that eventuality.

This thing has to work out organically. The club has to disown Paul outright, and not the other way around. Once that happens - and it will - all bets are off. It will be a brand new ball game, benefitting from the 'surge of steam' the ugly sceene will generate. It's the only way, both from a principled point of view and also savvy political calculation.

Forget 'conventional' electioneering memes. Almost nine months is plenty of time to get this revolution from the keyboards down to the street.

As long as the core does not throw in the towel during this lull - and they won't (see the fabulous night scan earlier) - you ain't seen nothing yet...

 

[Molly1]

"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson

"The battle, Sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, Sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable; and let it come! I repeat, Sir, let it come!" -- Patrick Henry

"It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings. ... Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things, which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it. Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. ... Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" Patrick Henry

Go if you must, but for me, in the immortal words of John Paul Jones, "I have not yet begun to fight!"

Are you listening to your fellow countrymen, Virginia?

The state of Virginia produced these two great men.

And, now you have one following in their footsteps to vote for.

Vote Ron Paul!

 

[Bradley in DC]

I explain why this is all a good thing here:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1224573#poststop

and now we have work to do:

1. identify supporters and turn them out to vote.
2. identify "supervoters" who usually vote and spread the message to them; if you can't get a list of the actual voter rolls with histories, then look at the election returns--especially for primaries--and see which precincts have the highest turnout of Republicans (rank them by most Republican supervoters to least, hit as many precincts at the top of the list as you can; use the official campaign's Precinct Leader list to supplement your efforts but keep the information on a Google.doc spreadsheet accessible to the others with whom you are working).
3. identify all of the voting locations (make sure signs are posted at all voting locations in accordance with local ordinance the night before and have people leafleting for Dr. Paul there--dress well and be polite!)--if a caucus, follow leadership in your state on speeches or whatever.
4. each group needs to act to contact media about events and get their own endorsements for the campaign.
5. use your efforts to help Dr. Paul AND the other Liberty Candidates out there--make the most of your efforts!
6. SMILE We have so much to be thankful for in finding each other, Ron and Carol sacrificing so much of themselves, for having this opportunity in this great country...

 

[Proemio]

Transaltion: Weed out the informants.

Yep - the post-Super-Tuesday-lull was always perfect for that necessity.
It's also smart resource managemet...

 

[Molly1]

Because it's the party that has left Ron Paul, not the other way around. I know alot of people here in the forums are younger, and all they know about the Republicans are the neocons but it hasn't always been that way.

He is there because he is their roots, and he should never let them forget that. That is why I keep pushing that we need to take this local. Believe it or not, there are many of the "sheeple" that can be awakened locally. They are already awakened actually, just they never tied Ron Paul to how they really felt.

I think we have the organization in place now to turn the GOP on it's head, and take it back to the Ron Paul like roots. If you were a precinct leader, you should have access to a good list of other precinct leaders in your area. If you were in a meetup, theres a big list there too. Not all of these people will want to get involved... some will want to go their own way and some just thought sign waving was fun, but between those two groups you should have a decent sized chunk of people to get motivated.

In a post earlier, I linked to other posts showing that some people were having pretty good luck with basically taking over their local GOP. Some of us will have a easier time of it than others, ours looks pretty well organized and funded in my county on the web - but that may look different once I actually go to a meeting.

We need to get our folks into those meetings, become precinct commiteemen, township chairmen, county chairmen, etc. We need to go in with a "We can't fight the Democrats by being the Democrats" message. There may be more people in there that agree with you then you think, at least the old timers. War issue might be a bit of a hard sell still, but I think with the upcoming financial crisis it will get easier.

http://www.eagleforum.org/misc/brochures/precinct-committman.shtml is a link that really helped sell me on the idea.

yeah, what he said...

Take back our party from the sean Hannity's and the Ann Coulters.

--even if I have to put on a little black dress to do it.

 

[rprprs]

In regard to Ron's letter, I think there's been just a little too much "reading between the lines". Too many of us have been like Supreme Court Justices, legislating from the bench by reading between the lines of the Constitution. I suggest that we actually read the lines of Ron's letter and forgo all but the most literal and strict interpretation.

In his letter, Ron reiterates his "determination to fight on, in every caucus and primary remaining, and at the convention for our ideas, with just as many delegates as I can get."

To that end, Ron continues: "In the presidential race and the congressional race, I need your support, as always."

Certainly, along the way, there have been additional obstacles to overcome and evolving developments, many of which were to be expected. But the goal has not changed and neither has my determination to see it though.

Whatever the outcome in November, we need to remain united to send the loudest message we can. I see no better way of doing that than to continue in our staunch an unwavering support of this election's ONLY REAL CHOICE.

 

[JS4Pat]

Good, get out of here. We'll continue the revolution.

I don't think we want to embrace that attitude. We need to grow our numbers - not shrink them.

I am extremely disappointed in Ron Paul's unwillingness to do what it takes to win. I feel like he really let a lot of us down. However, there is no way I will abandon this base of grassroots supporters committed to Freedom, Peace & Prosperity.

I have no doubt we can find a way to prevail and a way to keep supporters like May the Ron be with You in the fold.

 

[Andrew76]

And why wouldn't we continue to fight on, donate money, tell anyone and everyone who will listen about Ron Paul? Seriously people, who else will you support? There is no one else worthy of our support. If Ron Paul is still in, then the true supporters must still be in.

End of story.

So now, what do we do next? Campaign like your life depends on it, because it does.

 

[Proemio]

I explain why this is all a good thing here:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1224573#poststop

Yes, it certainly is good thing. Lulls can be hugely beneficial to regaining balance, perspective and focus...

BTW, are you that Bradley (in DC) featured in this Ron Paul article by the Stuttgarter Zeitung in Germany?
http://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/stz/page/detail.php/1628454
Great stuff, either way...

 

[AlexMerced]

Just keep recruiting, keep spreading the message, keep restoring the republic