A Message from Ron - No 3P Run, we will continue the fight..

[Mesogen]

If Ron Paul says he's not running independent or 3rd party, then he's basically saying that he's dropping out of the race. Therefore, I will too.

I'll vote for him in my primary coming up, but after that, if Paul doesn't want to win, then what's the point?

 

[menoname]

When is the vote for Congress??

 

[Liberté]

I wont rule that out either. we could also end up with the nau and amerobacks.
Or evan a TAU!!! but im still going to write in.

You have to do what you have to do. If Obama or Clinton get into office they will be there for 8 years, a lot can happen in 8 years. Worse is the Justices that will get appointed, not a one of them will respect or honor the Constitution.

I don't like saying this, makes me sound nuts, but if Obama gets elected the Constitution is dead. There will be no fixing it, or restoring the Republic. People say this is our last chance all the time, but I truly believe this is our very last chance.

Eight years of Obama and we probably would have an Amero and NAU process nearing completion. I suggest everyone you know vote for the GOP nominee, at least then we have 4 more years. Also, despite McCain being a Socialist, his Justice picks might (MIGHT) be Conservatives.

Yep, it the lesser of two evils.

 

[Mesogen]

Dunno. I don't live in Galveston.

 

[Steve_New_Jersey]

Lets not forget that we have a job in putting major media in its place. Do not forget we the people own the air waves.

 

[parocks]

A while back I thought about what type of scenario would cause Ron Paul to run 3rd party, especially after saying he wouldn't.

I figured that the most likely scenario would be if he had the Republican nomination and the GOP stole it from him. He'd be so pissed that he'd run 3rd party. Under the terms of that scenario, he had the support, he should have had the nomination, and a 3rd party run would have a very good chance of success.

To this point, there has been none of that.

If Ron Paul was to win every single delegate not yet won by McCain, Huck or Mitt, I don't think he would have enough delegates to win the nomination.

But, he might think that he has enough support to maybe win if he ran 3rd party.

So, if you want him to run 3rd party, you have to rack up an impressive series of wins, and a whole lot of delegates.

Right now, the evidence out there points to less than 10% in a 3rd party run.

With that kind of likely outcome, he's not gonna run 3rd party.

Give him some sort of reason to think that he could win in the fall (hard evidence - lots of wins now, lots of delegates now) and he might reconsider running 3rd party in the fall.

We need to compel Ron Paul to run as a third party candidate. I realize third parties have not fared well in the past. This election will be different. The vast majority of Americans oppose the war in Iraq. The likely nominees from both major political parties both voted for the war. The Republican nominee is not a conservative and the democratic nominee is a witch. Ron Paul can beat McCain and Clinton in a three way race. The media can't ignore Ron Paul because he will be hugely influential on the outcome of the race. Even if they treat him as a spoiler they will not be able to ignore him.
We have a lot of work to do. The first order of business is convincing Ron Paul he can win. We can start by showing him he still has our support and by letting him know we want him to continue as a third party candidate. This means contacting the Reform, Unity, Libertarian, and Constitution Parties and encouraging them to support Ron Paul.

We can do it.
Who's with me?

 

[nodope0695]

Well, it was nice knowing you guys here. I might drop in from time to time, to see if there are any major developments, but other than that, it's over for me.

It's been fun! Take care all.

Goodbye fair weather friend. Go back to your X-Box and your Faux News. Go back to Apathy.

I'm in it for life! Ron is a realistic man, and so am I. The Message is bigger than the man. And the Message is what I will stand with Ron to fight for.

 

[Copernicus]

I look at it this way...live free or die!
There is no other choice but to fight on.
The alternative is a full blown police state and endless war.
I imagine the coming ID card will be the catalyst to a more forceful revolution which will be a shame, but what alternative do we have?
I know I won't accept it.

 

[TruckinMike]

Goodbye fair weather friend. Go back to your X-Box and your Faux News. Go back to Apathy.

I'm in it for life! Ron is a realistic man, and so am I. The Message is bigger than the man. And the Message is what I will stand with Ron to fight for.

Never give up, never surrender.

This is my truck Right NOW! And The signs are staying ON!!!!

TMike

 

[Exarel]

 

[robert4rp08]

Never give up, never surrender.

This is my truck Right NOW! And The signs are staying ON!!!!

TMike

Hell yes!!!!

 

[thehittgirl]

Goodbye fair weather friend. Go back to your X-Box and your Faux News. Go back to Apathy.

I'm in it for life! Ron is a realistic man, and so am I. The Message is bigger than the man. And the Message is what I will stand with Ron to fight for.

I wish I could go back to apathy. Damn, I feel let down. I don't have a lot of faith in our country anymore.

 

[IDefendThePlatform]

Well, as one of the more vocal supporters of an Independent run I have to say I'm dissappointed. But, I trust Dr. P's judgement and I'm still looking forward to helping out with the remaining primaries as much as I can. Every vote cast for Ron sends a clear message that Americans want more freedom and less government. Let's get as many as we can!

Also, I will definitely be contributing more $$ to his congressional campaign now. Hopefully, he destroys that neo-con jerk running against him in a landslide and goes back to work in congress. Even though he's 72, he really is in terrific shape mentally and physically (from everything I've seen). Until proven otherwise, I'm planning on a Ron Paul run for President in 2011. Please stay together and keep working.

 

[expatinireland]

At a loss

I just read Ron's letter and I am at a bit of a loss.

He has basically said that McCain has won the nomination which seems like a valid assessment.

He has also said he wants to fight the Revolution from inside the Republican party. I believe that will leave many people from this forum looking from the outside in.

As of right now my perspective of the Republican party is that it is overwhelmingly populated by reactionary warmongers who want to foist their will and views through machiavellian and manipulative techniques not only upon the American public but the world as a whole.

Overall they are a world apart from the conservative doctrine of Freedom, Liberty, Peace, Prosperity, Noentangling Foreign Affairs and Sound Money and Economics that Dr. Paul has been espousing.

As it became obvious that the Republican Party was not going to embrace Ron Paul and his I ideas, I was looking for an independent campaign that might draw in people from across the political spectrum. That hope has now been dashed and I don't know where that now leaves me.

The Libertarian Party imho isn't the answer as it is a brand that has proven its limited attraction, so I guess I will just have to wait and see what develops.

At least we have a network of like minded people that can spring into action if someone comes up with the right formula.

It is just too bad that Ron Paul didn't have a charismatic personality to go along with the message. Unfortunately the American people seem to be more interested in style over substance.

In limbo in Ireland.

 

[billjarrett]

I just read Ron's letter and I am at a bit of a loss.

He has basically said that McCain has won the nomination which seems like a valid assessment.

He has also said he wants to fight the Revolution from inside the Republican party. I believe that will leave many people from this forum looking from the outside in.

As of right now my perspective of the Republican party is that it is overwhelmingly populated by reactionary warmongers who want to foist their will and views through machiavellian and manipulative techniques not only upon the American public but the world as a whole.

Overall they are a world apart from the conservative doctrine of Freedom, Liberty, Peace, Prosperity, Noentangling Foreign Affairs and Sound Money and Economics that Dr. Paul has been espousing.

As it became obvious that the Republican Party was not going to embrace Ron Paul and his I ideas, I was looking for an independent campaign that might draw in people from across the political spectrum. That hope has now been dashed and I don't know where that now leaves me.

The Libertarian Party imho isn't the answer as it is a brand that has proven its limited attraction, so I guess I will just have to wait and see what develops.

At least we have a network of like minded people that can spring into action if someone comes up with the right formula.

It is just too bad that Ron Paul didn't have a charismatic personality to go along with the message. Unfortunately the American people seem to be more interested in style over substance.

In limbo in Ireland.

From what I've been reading in other threads, it's not as hard as it seems. It seems alot of the local GOP organizations around the country are inactive and disorganized and pretty ripe for walking in and taking over if you know what you are doing. I think it all starts there.

 

[PC_for_Paul]

It's over. The GOP will give us nothing and if Ron Paul is unwilling to give up his congressional seat, he should have never ran.

The GOP has made it clear, they have no room for my ideas. I cannot and will not support McCain, just that simple. We have been blocked at every turn in attempting change from within the Party. This war is theirs, they will not disown it. The riff is too wide, my beliefs too deep and our voice too weak.

These are game changers:
The federal Reserve
The IRS and personal income tax
Ending the empire
The war on Drugs

I cannot lay down with dogs simply due to the fact that other Americans are too emotional and feeble minded to grasp the concept of which I hold dear.

I was watching CSPAN this morning wondering where the RP supporters are, I guess they are coming to grips with the fact that Republicans fall in line, a very distasteful habit.

 

[expatinireland]

From what I've been reading in other threads, it's not as hard as it seems. It seems alot of the local GOP organizations around the country are inactive and disorganized and pretty ripe for walking in and taking over if you know what you are doing. I think it all starts there.

That is interesting and I will keep my mind open to all options but until I see further confirmation of what you are suggesting I will maintain my view, which is essentially, that the Ron Paul Revolution is to The Republican Party as Oil is to Water.

 

[sirachman]

It's over. The GOP will give us nothing and if Ron Paul is unwilling to give up his congressional seat, he should have never ran.

The GOP has made it clear, they have no room for my ideas. I cannot and will not support McCain, just that simple. We have been blocked at every turn in attempting change from within the Party. This war is theirs, they will not disown it. The riff is too wide, my beliefs too deep and our voice too weak.

These are game changers:
The federal Reserve
The IRS and personal income tax
Ending the empire
The war on Drugs

I cannot lay down with dogs simply due to the fact that other Americans are too emotional and feeble minded to grasp the concept of which I hold dear.

I was watching CSPAN this morning wondering where the RP supporters are, I guess they are coming to grips with the fact that Republicans fall in line, a very distasteful habit.

seems your quitter attitude, and the belief that someone else should bear the main burden of liberty has ruined our effort from the start. Maybe you should start thinking about how we can pick ourselves up from this one and keep fighting with as much power as we can to continue to spread this movement across states and into the next presidential election. There is no need to crash and burn Ron Paul and make him lose his congressional seat. He has fought really hard, and he is still fighting, he isnt dropping out, but he is keeping his foot in the door. Why should we be selfish and require him to lose his previous job because he offered us a chance at freedom and we didnt have enough time to spread the message..

 

[billjarrett]

That is interesting and I will keep my mind open to all options but until I see further confirmation of what you are suggesting I will maintain my view, which is essentially, that the Ron Paul Revolution is to The Republican Party as Oil is to Water.

Some info in these threads:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=111402&page=19

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=112407

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=115609&highlight=chairman

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=57878&highlight=chairman

To point out a few. It's been brought up here alot of times.

 

[KewlRonduderules]

I have to make a comment about this letter and the negative posts in here.

Not once did Dr. Paul say he was going to quit! Nor did he say it was over. He is going to keep on going! So are we.

As for the give-up posts in this thread (you know who you are), I always suspected some of you were infiltrators. This only confirms my beliefs about you.

First sign of trouble, you give up. Basically, this means you were never really part of the movement, were you?

Nothing is over. We have plenty of candidates all over the country running for Congress and a few in the Senate.

This is only the beginning.

I will become a delegate in my state and see what happens at the convention. I suggest you do the same.