A blimp is a BAD IDEA - here is why

[angelatc]

Beats the hell out of thinking anything is being furthered by griping on an internet forum or doing a sign wave?

I posted an example of how a sign wave was easily turned into productive activity.

 

[angelatc]

I had my virtual mancard revoked by a mod on another forum. Apparently I've never gotten it back.

btw: I still don't know who Matt Collins is. Is he an adviser? a marketer? a political strategist? a politician? He seems rather hated on here, which makes me want to like him. haha

Most of us used to like him. I strongly encourage you to like him.

 

[pessimist]

Most of us used to like him. I strongly encourage you to like him.

I shall take your advice. Thanks.

 

[dannno]

I shall take your advice. Thanks.

Matt Collins' goal is to suck all of the life and enthusiasm out of the grassroots and transform it into the most boring political campaign imaginable, so that it is nearly indistinguishable from other Republican politicians.

 

[pessimist]

Matt Collins' goal is to suck all of the life and enthusiasm out of the grassroots and transform it into the most boring political campaign imaginable, so that it is nearly indistinguishable from other Republican politicians.

Well, in that case... screw that. I'm far too iconoclastic- I hate establishment politics. That is why I found the the organic movement that sprung from Ron Paul's campaign so appealing.

I guess I'm on team RPF here.

 

[amy31416]

The only time I have ever had multiple accounts on RPF it was with knowledge and permission of Josh.

I doubt that, considering your sock accounts were banned. Make some sense, boy.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I can't speak for what Angela meant by that statement, but it raises a question: if the campaign was forbidden by law from coordinating messages with the grassroots, what was Matt even doing here? It seems Matt was putting the campaign in jeopardy by mingling with the grassroots. What about that??

You don't remember the '08 campaign, do you? People here begged for someone from the campaign to come over here and answer questions. We even had a subforum for the questions. Thing is, whenever someone did come over here, they were often treated so rudely, that I would imagine it was hard to find the next person willing to do a return act. But, that actually suited some though, because then they were free to start rumors or the most common thing; start a rumor or quote someone else's and run off to the moon with it. I mean, if there was no one here to clear it up, what an opportunity for some.

So yeah, I can see why some would want to make sure that they were free to do rumor-monger their little hearts out again. But, what doesn't make sense to me is why a few of you are assisting that effort.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I think those of us that are still here are grown adults and we can do as we damned well please. There is not a person here that does not know how to put together a mailer and/or staff a phone bank. There aren't many of us who haven't done it. This screeching that we aren't being as effective as possible at all times reminds me of the ass in the office who refuses to take a 15 minute break and eat birthday cake with the rest of us.

Spend your own money on anything you want to and leave other people the hell alone.

If Collins wants to start a thread called, "How to win elections" and educate people in it, then more power to him. But the other stuff....

I know finance law. Why are you upset that I am trying to educate people about that? I have even had to correct Collins on it several times. But I think it's important to note that I didn't directly accuse anybody of doing anything. You came up with the name all by yourself. If what you said is true, that makes it worse. He can call us out for not doing what he wanted, but we can't point out that he was putting the campaign at risk?

Stop changing the subject. Your post straight out said that you didn't give a flip about who you hurt, as long as you could dig a knife into Collins by doing it.

It was stupid as all hell.

And honestly, how cost effective was it to hire a guy to sit around arguing on an internet forum all day, really?

What makes you think they did?

 

[cajuncocoa]

You don't remember the '08 campaign, do you? People here begged for someone from the campaign to come over here and answer questions. We even had a subforum for the questions. Thing is, whenever someone did come over here, they were often treated so rudely, that I would imagine it was hard to find the next person willing to do a return act. But, that actually suited some though, because then they were free to start rumors or the most common thing; start a rumor or quote someone else's and run off to the moon with it. I mean, if there was no one here to clear it up, what an opportunity for some.

So yeah, I can see why some would want to make sure that they were free to do rumor-monger their little hearts out again. But, what doesn't make sense to me is why a few of you are assisting that effort.

That didn't really answer the question you quoted, but OK.

 

[newbitech]

You don't remember the '08 campaign, do you? People here begged for someone from the campaign to come over here and answer questions. We even had a subforum for the questions. Thing is, whenever someone did come over here, they were often treated so rudely, that I would imagine it was hard to find the next person willing to do a return act. But, that actually suited some though, because then they were free to start rumors or the most common thing; start a rumor or quote someone else's and run off to the moon with it. I mean, if there was no one here to clear it up, what an opportunity for some.

So yeah, I can see why some would want to make sure that they were free to do rumor-monger their little hearts out again. But, what doesn't make sense to me is why a few of you are assisting that effort.

Tolerance is a double edged sword, just like liberty. Simply hold those individuals to account and do not punish people collectively.

There was absolutely NOTHING stopping the campaign from posting up a Q&A in there own forum where they can control who the invitees are. Just because some people are rude and nasty doesn't mean all individuals should be punished.

This is also endemic of the campaign in their comments and treatment of the grassroots as a collective. That's the attitude that has to change from people who are asking for money and promising to make a difference that benefits the liberty movement politically.

 

[devil21]

yeah, the fake account is sending me link to ************ in my rep menu. who/what is the fake account?

It's the same zio-shill group I mentioned several pages back in this thread that were working to co-opt the Liberty Candidates subforum (compromise, taftfan and others).

eta: the censored stars are there but if quoted for a reply, the raw text is displayed. now that I see the link I can confirm it is the same zio-shill group. my concern is I suspect that group isn't just an independent bunch but rather is coordinated with the other shenanigans going on here like collins' nonsense and saber connections.

 

[jjdoyle]

Stop changing the subject. Your post straight out said that you didn't give a flip about who you hurt, as long as you could dig a knife into Collins by doing it.

It was stupid as all hell.

What makes you think they did?

Her post you originally quoted didn't say anything of the sort:

The 2012 campaign was far more troubling for me. The campaign was forbidden by law from coordinating messages with the grassroots. If someone on the campaign payroll was....say, creating alternate identities in an effort to steer the funds and the messages that the internet forum grassroots were funding at the time, it would have been a pretty clear violation of campaign finance law.

So, what are you talking about?

And, she is talking about Matt Collins being paid by the campaign in 2012 (see: working for it), and posting messages here on the forums during the campaign. I thought it was understood that Matt Collins was the "netroots" guy and so trusted by Jesse Benton that Benton called Collins about Tom Woods, instead of calling Tom Woods directly?

Again though, where did she say, "I don't give a flip about who I hurt, as long as I can dig a knife into Collins"? or, as you said she said, "Your post straight out said that you didn't give a flip about who you hurt"?????

 

[Primbs]

Time Magazine has Rand Paul on the cover. In the story they talk about the Blimp. The Blimp is still generating press coverage seven years later. What commercial for Ron Paul or direct mail piece is still generating stories seven years later. The first step toward winning a campaign is name ID. Since most voters never heard of Ron Paul, getting any attention was better than nothing.

Once the voter gets the name, then you hit the voter with a issue that they might respond in conjunction with the new found name recognition.

What campaign events are still remembered from 2007/08?

 

[jjdoyle]

Time Magazine has Rand Paul on the cover. In the story they talk about the Blimp. The Blimp is still generating press coverage seven years later. What commercial for Ron Paul or direct mail piece is still generating stories seven years later. The first step toward winning a campaign is name ID. Since most voters never heard of Ron Paul, getting any attention was better than nothing.

One the voter gets the name, then you hit the voter with a issue that they might respond in conjunction with the new found name recognition.

What campaign events are still remembered from 2007/08?

The grassroots Tea Party is still being remembered from 2007 and 2008, co-opted, but still remembered.

 

[acptulsa]

The grassroots Tea Party is still being remembered from 2007 and 2008, co-opted, but still remembered.

Not the event. Just the name.

No, I think it's safe to say Matt Officially Disapproved of the campaign marketing ploy of the millenium.

Does anyone remember any of the marketing ploys he did approve of?

 

[cajuncocoa]

Not the event. Just the name.

No, I think it's safe to say Matt Officially Disapproved of the campaign marketing ploy of the millenium.

Does anyone remember any of the marketing ploys he did approve of?

I think Collins is jealous that the blimp wasn't his idea and he can't take credit for it.

 

[acptulsa]

I think Collins is jealous that the blimp wasn't his idea and he can't take credit for it.

I think the fact that we're rude enough to keep bumping this thread is the only thing stopping him from taking credit for it.

 

[Matt Collins]

Time Magazine has Rand Paul on the cover. In the story they talk about the Blimp. The Blimp is still generating press coverage seven years later.

First of all, the blimp didn't generate this press coverage, it got a mention.

Secondly, so what? How does it affect the amount of people voting for Rand?

Answer: it doesn't.

One the voter gets the name, then you hit the voter with a issue that they might respond in conjunction with the new found name recognition.

Correct, but mass marketing is one of the least efficient, most expensive, least effective ways to do it. Direct marketing targeted to likely voters is the way to do it.

 

[acptulsa]

First of all, the blimp didn't generate this press coverage, it got a mention.

First of all, that's the same thing. And it got more than one mention. And for He Who Must Not Be Named one mention was one hell of a victory--like putting one little hole in a big dam.

Secondly, so what? How does it affect the amount of people voting for Rand?

Answer: it doesn't.

What did the official campaign do that is still working eight years later, and for another candidate?

Well then.

Correct, but mass marketing is one of the least efficient, most expensive, least effective ways to do it. Direct marketing targeted to likely voters is the way to do it.

You surely do love spouting opinion as fact. Did you forget that the opinion you spouted as fact in the OP of this very thread has been soundly and completely disproven? Or are you just going to keep blindly denying all the contrary proof we shovel at your feet until you're buried in it?

 

[Cap]

The blimp was one of the best marketing ploys to come out of the cycle if not the millennium. I remember discussing politics with some people from work in the break room one day and I mentioned Ron's name. The first thing out of their mouths were. Oh yeah he's the guy with the blimp. Teh Collinz is a total fail. Neg rep to him.