A blimp is a BAD IDEA - here is why

[cajuncocoa]

First of all, the blimp didn't generate this press coverage, it got a mention.

Wow, you really ARE jealous, aren't you?

I don't think anyone was suggesting that the blimp "generated" the Time article but the fact that it got a mention in the article all these years later shows just how effective it was. Why don't you just suck it up and give props to the person who had the idea? You can do it! A really good leader knows how to recognize others on the team when they do well. The blimp was genius.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Secondly, so what? How does it affect the amount of people voting for Rand?

Answer: it doesn't.

Yeah, it kinda does.

You see, Rand was elected to the Senate with a lot of help from his father's grassroots' supporters. That blimp helped to build name recognition and grow the base of grassroots support. The more grassroots support Ron had, the more donations Rand had when he ran for the Senate.

If Rand wasn't a Senator today, what would his chances be for 2016?

 

[Occam's Banana]

First of all, the blimp didn't generate this press coverage, it got a mention.

That's a pretty fine hair to split coming from the same guy who claims that losing is actually wiinning ...

 

[Matt Collins]

First of all, that's the same thing.

No it's not... the poster said that the blimp generated press (which it did at the time, but didn't do anything electorally) and that the Time article was an example. No, the Time article would've been written anyway, but the blimp was mentioned, it didn't generate the article.

What did the official campaign do that is still working eight years later, and for another candidate?

Build lists.

 

[Matt Collins]

The blimp was one of the best marketing ploys to come out of the cycle if not the millennium. I remember discussing politics with some people from work in the break room one day and I mentioned Ron's name. The first thing out of their mouths were. Oh yeah he's the guy with the blimp. Teh Collinz is a total fail. Neg rep to him.

Did that guy vote for Ron?

How many votes did the blimp get Ron? Please quantify that for me...

 

[Matt Collins]

You see, Rand was elected to the Senate with a lot of help from his father's grassroots' supporters. That blimp helped to build name recognition and grow the base of grassroots support. The more grassroots support Ron had, the more donations Rand had when he ran for the Senate.

If Rand wasn't a Senator today, what would his chances be for 2016?

Fair point except that the blimp had no quantifiable effect on Ron's success....

 

[Cap]

Did that guy vote for Ron?

How many votes did the blimp get Ron? Please quantify that for me...

As a matter of fact the whole room...and there were many in there at the time, ended up after they researched his positions, voting for Ron. Many even joined meetups and sign waved for him. So take your logical fallacy bullshit elsewhere.

 

[Occam's Banana]

How many votes did the blimp get Ron? Please quantify that for me...

How many votes did direct marketing get Ron? Please quantify that for me ...

(And we'll just set aside the unedifying possibility that the only actually quantifiable thing about your beloved direct marketing is how much money it brought in for Ron Paul Inc., rather than how many votes it brought in for Ron Paul ...)

 

[Cap]

Me thinks Teh Collinz is getting paid per post on the forums from some sweetheart deal.

 

[acptulsa]

Fair point except that the blimp had no quantifiable effect on Ron's success....

Can we quantify how many votes your forty thousand forum posts got Ron Paul?

Don't forget to subtract all the people you've alienated before you do that long division, now...

Me thinks Teh Collinz is getting paid per post on the forums from some sweetheart deal.

Seems that way, doesn't it?

No, I think he's actually bumping this proof of his lack of vision and his you-chase-more-flies-away-with-vinegar posting style in the belief that some potential future employer will be impressed with his spin and his undying loyalty.

I'd wish him luck with that but I don't see how luck could ever get him out of the hole he's digging himself into unless his shovel breaks. Maybe God will have pity on him and cause his internet provider to go out of business.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Fair point except that the blimp had no quantifiable effect on Ron's success....

Which also means it could have brought in a few million votes....maybe more.

 

[JK/SEA]

why is collins here?......


seriously...Bryan?...mods?....

maybe Jesus has the answer.

 

[Deborah K]

Time Magazine has Rand Paul on the cover. In the story they talk about the Blimp. The Blimp is still generating press coverage seven years later. What commercial for Ron Paul or direct mail piece is still generating stories seven years later. The first step toward winning a campaign is name ID. Since most voters never heard of Ron Paul, getting any attention was better than nothing.

One the voter gets the name, then you hit the voter with a issue that they might respond in conjunction with the new found name recognition.

What campaign events are still remembered from 2007/08?

So nice to see you again, Primbs. Primbs btw, was very instrumental in helping me with Revolution March. Now this is a man who knows his shit! Mad props to ya, G.

 

[Cap]

Well Jesus would say to him:

 

[jmdrake]

Did that guy vote for Ron?

How many votes did the blimp get Ron? Please quantify that for me...

The only votes that I can quantify that Ron got from anything I did was the votes he got from my campaigning with disgruntled democrats. In 2012 I know of at least 8 people who crossed over and voted for Ron in the primary. Yes they were all my family, but a vote is a vote. In 2007 I convinced a total stranger who was black in a predominately black neighborhood to vote for Ron. Sadly she ultimately couldn't because it was too late for her to register to vote in the primary. I chronicled what happened here.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...at-the-gas-station&highlight=stumping+station

I did a lot of stuff the campaign asked me to do from donating money to phone banking to going door to door to collecting signatures to manning tables at conservative events. I can't quantify votes from any of that activity. The smart money says that the blimp got Ron's face on TV and that was the first impression that some people who eventually voted for Ron Paul got. It's called "filling the funnel." You know, the stuff Anita Andrews talked about years ago? Lot's of ways to do that.

 

[Matt Collins]

Me thinks Teh Collinz is getting paid per post on the forums from some sweetheart deal.

HA, if only...

 

[Matt Collins]

How many votes did direct marketing get Ron? Please quantify that for me ...

Hundreds of thousands...

I don't have the exact numbers outside of Minnesota, but voter ID and contact is how elections are won. That is direct marketing.

 

[acptulsa]

HA, if only...

You moved a thread which highlights your own failure to recognize a damned good idea as such right to the top of its subforum and 'New Posts' for this non-denial denial of what was obviously nothing but a joke. Yet you can't for the life of you understand why nearly all of us have come to question your judgment.

If you hadn't driven from me long ago any capacity I might have had for feeling sorry for you, I'd probably stop laughing and be sad about it...

Your logical fallacy is you're too arrogant to realize that every human has to, sooner or later, cut his losses.

Every time this thread is bumped, you beat a dead horse some more and seventeen people beat you some more. How are you winning this through stubbornness again? Go ahead--it's not a rhetorical question. I'd love to see your answer. It might turn out to be your best punchline yet.

 

[jmdrake]

Hundreds of thousands...

I don't have the exact numbers outside of Minnesota, but voter ID and contact is how elections are won. That is direct marketing.

And so the exact Minnesota numbers are.....?

 

[acptulsa]

And so the exact Minnesota numbers are.....?

LOL Pity the poor fools who decide they must make the claim that something with about a billion totally random variables is an exact science.

Yes, Matt. Let's see your ironclad and confirmable quantification.